Why Can't I Drink Blood?

HARK! said:

Like I said, I stumbled onto some information just a few months ago that has sent me on a serious quest. More doors are being opened than I am capable of entering all at once. Are you familiar with the JEPD theory?

The more answers that come, the more questions I'm left with.

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Where do they get the idea that Moses didn't write all the first five books?

CharismaticLady said:

They agree. You said they contradict???

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Did you read your own posts just now ?
The first one says one thing,
the others claim something else.

They contradict each other on when eating meat began - thus the confusion.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Did you read your own posts just now ?
The first one says one thing,
the others claim something else.

They contradict each other on when eating meat began - thus the confusion.

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No, Genesis 1 says only herbs for both man and animals. Genesis 9 after the flood introduces meat.

@yeshuaslavejeff and @HARK!

Good night.

HARK! said:

I don't recall YHWH saying that Adam could eat insects in the Garden.

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No, in the beginning it was only herbs.

29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

So why would God need to repeat that. You see, I thought you said that in Genesis 9, God commanded them to eat herbs. But now I'm thinking you think God is now allowing them to eat insects. The reason I disagree is the context. The previous verse is about animals, birds and fish. Come to think of it, do insects have blood in them. I've never seen red blood anyway.

HARK! said:

Is this speculation; or can you prove it with scripture? Was the text altered? Why does Hebrew translate to insect, in ordinary language; but even in the Jewish Bibles it translates to something quite different?

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Yes, "moving" thing is what the NKJV says.

Check out 1 Timothy 4:4. To me this brings us back to the mandate to Noah.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

What is "creature" in the CLV?

HARK! said:

That's always been good enough for me; but some people are trying to lead me to believe that Yahshua replaced the Father's word, that the law is no longer in effect; that we can eat whatever we want, regardless of what Abba says. So you're saying I shouldn't go drink blood with them?

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A divided House can not stand. "I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what he sees the Father do; for what things He does, these also does the Son likewise. He came into this life to do the will of his Father, and not his own will." See also Matthew 7:21

HARK! said:

Yahshua said:

(CLV) Mk 7:15
Nothing is there outside of a man, going into him, which can contaminate him, but those things going out of a man are what is contaminating the man.

(CLV) Mk 7:17
And when He entered into the house from the throng, His disciples inquired of Him concerning the parable.

(CLV) Mk 7:18
And He is saying to them, "Are you, also, thus unintelligent? Not yet are you apprehending that everything from the outside, that is going into a man, can not contaminate him,

(CLV) Mk 7:19
for it is not going into his heart, but into the bowels, and is going out into the latrine cleansing all foods?"

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The entire discussion was about eating without washing the hands. "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?"
It had nothing to do with eating non-kosher food. BTW, the quote of "thus cleansing all food" was a later addition to the text or at least a bad translation...purging is more appropriate.

HARK! said:

Ecclesiastes 1:18

I'm wondering how long we can obscure the truth in falsehoods before Yahshua comes. Will we be prepared if we have listened to falsehoods?

I've considered what you're saying. I even said that I didn't want to get into what I know here. We have three strong believers buried deep in a thread, deep in the night, who are seeking the truth. I don't lay that kind of info out for those new to faith. If your (not talking about you) faith is in a book; I wonder if YHWH considers that idol worship.

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As known and noted, few are 'prepared'. The falsehoods have been most popular for and in the world of society much longer than we have been alive, and it is only by and in grace that anyone of us or anyone is set free of the falsehoods by Yahweh in Christ Jesus for His Own Purpose.= HE chose for Himself a remnant, out of every people, for His Own Purpose, Plan and Salvation in Christ Jesus. We, even, had no choice but to listen to "falsehoods" as we were raised in the midst of falsehoods - it is what we learned in this world. Oh, there may be those who were raised in the way they should go, and they were taught the truth growing up, they were "prepared" properly , and hopefully expectantly in line with God's Word "will not depart from it" when they are older - they at least may not be .... may not become ...... apostate.
We cannot "get into" what we know here, though only the truth ought to be spoken/ posted, there is no such restriction or rule or capability on the internet - no such assurance possible in a public arena (just as in Athens, the people of Jesus spoke the truth, and a few in the town listened nd repented and were saved from the idolatrous practices proliferating in their lifetimes in Athens, but most in Athens remained idolatrous and the Apostle gave up when it was time - left Athens. As written "when they persecute you in one town, flea to the next".... nothing in God's Word says to stay in all circumstances, rather to go out, to come in, to move on, all as directed by God.....
The Book is unchanging, unchanged, reliable, faithful, true, truth, as Inspired, Breathed, Guarded by Yahweh. His Way. His Word. Perfect and Perfectly. Oh, long ago, when first saved, I realized I could not count on man/men/pastors/religion/priests/ teachings available to learn the truth. But first I read in God's Word that EVERYONE who seeks the truth, and keeps seeking the truth, will find the truth, and will be set free by the truth - this is God's Promise in Jesus for everyone who seeks Him and keeps seeking Him. Men cannot change nor prevent God's Promise , can they? Oh, in society false teachings abound throughout the world. Jesus said they do, said they would.
"Idol worship"? As when Jesus said to the hypocrites: "You search the Scripture(TORAH) because you think you will find life there"... Jesus said that to those who were in the process of rejecting Him,
and TORAH is all about Jesus ! Thus we must be becoming like little children - little children to whom Jesus Promises the Father is well pleased to REVEAL salvation and everything concerning salvation.
When the Father and the Son reveal understanding of Scripture, when they open a disciples mind to know... then it is known.... As written. No man knows/ grasps/ has/ understands anything unless the Father grants it from heaven. We cannot find out , discover, realize the truth, or life, or Scripture, by means of the flesh, but from the Father, to Whom Belongs All Praise and Thanksgiving Forever !

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

A divided House can not stand. "I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what he sees the Father do; for what things He does, these also does the Son likewise. He came into this life to do the will of his Father, and not his own will." See also Matthew 7:21

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The disciples likewise are called , chosen, directed to do what we see the Father do, for what the Father does, we do likewise. We are told to do the will of our Father, and not our own will.

HARK! said:

Why Can't I Drink Blood?

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You can.

HARK! said:

But then Ya'akov (James) says:

(CLV) Ac 15:20
but to write an epistle to them to be abstaining from ceremonial pollution with idols, and prostitution, and what is strangled, and blood.

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That was a prudential judgement given by the Church at time and that place, in order to avoid scandal. It was abrogated long ago.

No. God's Word did not change. Men corrupted broght false teachings.

HARK! said:

Yahshua said:

(CLV) Mk 7:15
Nothing is there outside of a man, going into him, which can contaminate him, but those things going out of a man are what is contaminating the man.

(CLV) Mk 7:17
And when He entered into the house from the throng, His disciples inquired of Him concerning the parable.

(CLV) Mk 7:18
And He is saying to them, "Are you, also, thus unintelligent? Not yet are you apprehending that everything from the outside, that is going into a man, can not contaminate him,

(CLV) Mk 7:19
for it is not going into his heart, but into the bowels, and is going out into the latrine cleansing all foods?"


But then Ya'akov (James) says:

(CLV) Ac 15:20
but to write an epistle to them to be abstaining from ceremonial pollution with idols, and prostitution, and what is strangled, and blood.

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Genesis 9:4 says" But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it"

Leviticus 17:11-13 says "For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.” Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth, because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.”

HARK! said:

All good things in moderation. I believe we should pray before we eat. I believe that we should be asking the father to tell us what our bodies need, rather than giving into the will of our wanton addictions. Opiate addiction is a form of gluttony. The father gave us all green plants and all that bear seed for food. How much, and when to eat them, calls for wisdom. Foods are to nourish our temples, to build them, not to destroy. It doesn't matter if it's opium or carrots. If you eat it until it becomes toxic; you're destroying YHWH's temple.

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That doesn't change the fact that by pitting Matthew 7 against Acts 15 a false equivalency is created. The two men are not coming from the same direction or speaking with the same rhetoric. In addition, neither was talking about some of the concerns others here have broached (such as ingesting poisonous food) that you have ignored. We might even muddy the mix with Paul's teaching in 1 Cor. 8 and 10:23-33.

The same Jesus who said it is not what goes into a man that defiles him obeyed the dietary laws of Moses. Had he not done so he could not have been the perfect, blemish-free sacrifice foreknown before the creation of the world.







Off-topic I known, but it is incorrect to say, "In English the Messiah's name is not Yahshua." That may be his name in Hebrew, but not English. In In Spanish the English name George is Jorge, and in Russian it is Yuri. Same name, same person. In English the name Grace is Jane, and in Irish it is Siobhan (Shivon). God and His Son speak all languages. Jesus is not confused or offended because we call him Jesus.