LDS How many negative charges has been made about JS character in LDS History? Just, curious.

He is the way said:

There is no capitals in the ancient Hebrew and Greek language, they were put in later by translators of the Bible. It was a guessing game.

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You have no idea about translations do you?
And what? There was no one with this false Holy Ghost but Mormons in the 21st Century to bring you a Bible that is preserved in the English language?

As you say, and I will add--"Mormons play a guessing game with their Bibles"

Jamesone5 said:

You have no idea about translations do you?
And what? There was no one with this false Holy Ghost but Mormons in the 21st Century to bring you a Bible that is preserved in the English language?

As you say, and I will add--"Mormons play a guessing game with their Bibles"

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Yes I do know about translations and I know there was NO distinguishable capitalization in the early Bible manuscripts.:

"The Question of Biblical Capitalization?

Q. Why do some Bibles capitalize pronouns referring to God (He, His, Him, Himself), while others don’t?
A. Capitalizing pronouns referring to God seems to many readers (including myself) an expression of reverence. For this reason, a number of Catholic and other Christian publishers long ago adopted the practice. However, historically speaking, capitalization is a relatively recent development in typography.

The ancient Bible manuscripts were written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic alphabets that did not have, at that time, distinct upper-case and lower-case letters. By the time Scripture was translated completely into English, our language had both upper- and lower-case letters, but the oldest English Bibles, such as the (Catholic) Douay-Rheims and the (Protestant) King James (or Authorized) Versions, did not capitalize personal pronouns referring to God the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit.

Some later translations, such as the (Protestant) New American Standard Bible, adopted the practice of capitalizing pronouns referring to God. Nevertheless, contemporary trends in publishing tend to favor fewer capitalized words of any sort. Take a look at a photo of the Declaration of Independence, for example, and notice all the nouns capitalized in eighteenth-century English that we would not normally capitalize today.

In any case, these days most Bible translations don’t capitalize personal pronouns referring to God. But I prefer to do so when I write. Not only does it show reverence; in passages where a masculine pronoun might refer either to God or to a man, it eliminates the ambiguity."

From: https://www.stcatherinercc.org/single-post/2018/04/18/The-Question-of-Biblical-Capitalization

He is the way said:

Yes I do know about translations and I know there was NO distinguishable capitalization in the early Bible manuscripts.:

"The Question of Biblical Capitalization?

Q. Why do some Bibles capitalize pronouns referring to God (He, His, Him, Himself), while others don’t?
A. Capitalizing pronouns referring to God seems to many readers (including myself) an expression of reverence. For this reason, a number of Catholic and other Christian publishers long ago adopted the practice. However, historically speaking, capitalization is a relatively recent development in typography.

The ancient Bible manuscripts were written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic alphabets that did not have, at that time, distinct upper-case and lower-case letters. By the time Scripture was translated completely into English, our language had both upper- and lower-case letters, but the oldest English Bibles, such as the (Catholic) Douay-Rheims and the (Protestant) King James (or Authorized) Versions, did not capitalize personal pronouns referring to God the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit.

Some later translations, such as the (Protestant) New American Standard Bible, adopted the practice of capitalizing pronouns referring to God. Nevertheless, contemporary trends in publishing tend to favor fewer capitalized words of any sort. Take a look at a photo of the Declaration of Independence, for example, and notice all the nouns capitalized in eighteenth-century English that we would not normally capitalize today.

In any case, these days most Bible translations don’t capitalize personal pronouns referring to God. But I prefer to do so when I write. Not only does it show reverence; in passages where a masculine pronoun might refer either to God or to a man, it eliminates the ambiguity."

From: https://www.stcatherinercc.org/single-post/2018/04/18/The-Question-of-Biblical-Capitalization

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What you seem to refuse to acknowledge is that no believing Jew, accepted that there were any other gods but God. There were those that would backslide and worship false gods, but they are not gods at all.
Exo_20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo_23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Exo_23:32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
Exo_34:17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
Deu_7:16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.
Jdg_10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.

2Ki_19:18 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.
Jer_2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
Jer_5:7 How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.

God recognizes no god---neither did Jesus.
Jer_16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

mmksparbud said:

What you seem to refuse to acknowledge is that no believing Jew, accepted that there were any other gods but God. There were those that would backslide and worship false gods, but they are not gods at all.
Exo_20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo_23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Exo_23:32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
Exo_34:17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
Deu_7:16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.
Jdg_10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.

2Ki_19:18 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.
Jer_2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
Jer_5:7 How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.

God recognizes no god---neither did Jesus.
Jer_16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

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We don't worship idols.

He is the way said:

We don't worship idols.

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No---you just believe there are a bunch of Gods out there---the Father of the Father and His father and all that and we're going to be gods----God doesn't recognize any other gods.

He is the way said:

Yes I do know about translations and I know there was NO distinguishable capitalization in the early Bible manuscripts.:

"The Question of Biblical Capitalization?

Q. Why do some Bibles capitalize pronouns referring to God (He, His, Him, Himself), while others don’t?
A. Capitalizing pronouns referring to God seems to many readers (including myself) an expression of reverence. For this reason, a number of Catholic and other Christian publishers long ago adopted the practice. However, historically speaking, capitalization is a relatively recent development in typography.

The ancient Bible manuscripts were written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic alphabets that did not have, at that time, distinct upper-case and lower-case letters. By the time Scripture was translated completely into English, our language had both upper- and lower-case letters, but the oldest English Bibles, such as the (Catholic) Douay-Rheims and the (Protestant) King James (or Authorized) Versions, did not capitalize personal pronouns referring to God the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit.

Some later translations, such as the (Protestant) New American Standard Bible, adopted the practice of capitalizing pronouns referring to God. Nevertheless, contemporary trends in publishing tend to favor fewer capitalized words of any sort. Take a look at a photo of the Declaration of Independence, for example, and notice all the nouns capitalized in eighteenth-century English that we would not normally capitalize today.

In any case, these days most Bible translations don’t capitalize personal pronouns referring to God. But I prefer to do so when I write. Not only does it show reverence; in passages where a masculine pronoun might refer either to God or to a man, it eliminates the ambiguity."

From: https://www.stcatherinercc.org/single-post/2018/04/18/The-Question-of-Biblical-Capitalization

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so now you are saying you worship god the father? That we really should not pay attention to when you capitalize it?

Like I say, you are saying millions if not billions of Believers have been as confused as you on who was God or a god or one of your many gods/ Gods

But your fellow Mormon seems to disagree with you.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:2 - 6)

2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

He is the way said:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:2 - 6)

2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

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Let's take these two verses your quoted together.

He is the way said:

There were times that Joseph Smith was admonished by God.

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Well, there is a report that God admonished Joseph for fearing man more than God. But the idea of fearing God more than man can be used by people who are taking people the wrong way. They can say, trust God instead of man, but they mean they expect people to trust them. They just use the name "God" to get credibility.

Of course, any prejudiced person can find ways to get out of any example you give, whether they are true or not.

In any case, I did not find other examples of how Joseph or others claim God personally admonished Joseph. But I am interested in comparing anything you share, with how I have found that God's word confronts me . . . personally.

Jamesone5 said:

Let's take these two verses your quoted together.

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

This of course in the Mormon favorite verses to tell us how Jesus and God the Father are separate Gods or God and Lord or whatever.​

(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

Either one set of verses is false OR maybe you don't understand How Jesus can be the Son and still God--a form of God or equal with God---as the Philippians verses attest to.
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Being equal to the Father does not mean being the Father. Jesus was sent by the Father to do the work of salvation by His proxy atoning sacrifice in our behalf. It is all part of the plan of salvation or the plan of happiness as it is sometimes called. Jesus told us that He and the Father are one in perfection and glory. We are commanded to be perfect like our Father in heaven. Jesus was also perfected.

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Well, there is a report that God admonished Joseph for fearing man more than God. But the idea of fearing God more than man can be used by people who are taking people the wrong way. They can say, trust God instead of man, but they mean they expect people to trust them. They just use the name "God" to get credibility.

Of course, any prejudiced person can find ways to get out of any example you give, whether they are true or not.

In any case, I did not find other examples of how Joseph or others claim God personally admonished Joseph. But I am interested in comparing anything you share, with how I have found that God's word confronts me . . . personally.

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While Joseph Smith was in Liberty jail he was feeling down and prayed:
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:1 - 10)

1 O GOD, where art thou? And where is the pavilion that covereth thy hiding place?
2 How long shall thy hand be stayed, and thine eye, yea thy pure eye, behold from the eternal heavens the wrongs of thy people and of thy servants, and thine ear be penetrated with their cries?
3 Yea, O Lord, how long shall they suffer these wrongs and unlawful oppressions, before thine heart shall be softened toward them, and thy bowels be moved with compassion toward them?
4 O Lord God Almighty, maker of heaven, earth, and seas, and of all things that in them are, and who controllest and subjectest the devil, and the dark and benighted dominion of Sheol—stretch forth thy hand; let thine eye pierce; let thy pavilion be taken up; let thy hiding place no longer be covered; let thine ear be inclined; let thine heart be softened, and thy bowels moved with compassion toward us.
5 Let thine anger be kindled against our enemies; and, in the fury of thine heart, with thy sword avenge us of our wrongs.
6 Remember thy suffering saints, O our God; and thy servants will rejoice in thy name forever.

God admonished him in verses 7-10

7 My son, peace be unto thy soul; thine adversity and thine afflictions shall be but a small moment;
8 And then, if thou endure it well, God shall exalt thee on high; thou shalt triumph over all thy foes.
9 Thy friends do stand by thee, and they shall hail thee again with warm hearts and friendly hands.
10 Thou art not yet as Job; thy friends do not contend against thee, neither charge thee with transgression, as they did Job.

Joseph Smith was also admonished when the Book of Lehi was lost.

He is the way said:

While Joseph Smith was in Liberty jail he was feeling down and prayed:
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:1 - 10)

1 O GOD, where art thou? And where is the pavilion that covereth thy hiding place?
2 How long shall thy hand be stayed, and thine eye, yea thy pure eye, behold from the eternal heavens the wrongs of thy people and of thy servants, and thine ear be penetrated with their cries?
3 Yea, O Lord, how long shall they suffer these wrongs and unlawful oppressions, before thine heart shall be softened toward them, and thy bowels be moved with compassion toward them?
4 O Lord God Almighty, maker of heaven, earth, and seas, and of all things that in them are, and who controllest and subjectest the devil, and the dark and benighted dominion of Sheol—stretch forth thy hand; let thine eye pierce; let thy pavilion be taken up; let thy hiding place no longer be covered; let thine ear be inclined; let thine heart be softened, and thy bowels moved with compassion toward us.
5 Let thine anger be kindled against our enemies; and, in the fury of thine heart, with thy sword avenge us of our wrongs.
6 Remember thy suffering saints, O our God; and thy servants will rejoice in thy name forever.

God admonished him in verses 7-10

7 My son, peace be unto thy soul; thine adversity and thine afflictions shall be but a small moment;
8 And then, if thou endure it well, God shall exalt thee on high; thou shalt triumph over all thy foes.
9 Thy friends do stand by thee, and they shall hail thee again with warm hearts and friendly hands.
10 Thou art not yet as Job; thy friends do not contend against thee, neither charge thee with transgression, as they did Job.

Joseph Smith was also admonished when the Book of Lehi was lost.

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It was lost so well not even God knew where it was!

mmksparbud said:

It was lost so well not even God knew where it was!

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God knows where He resides, do you?

Another prophesy fulfilled:

9 Thy friends do stand by thee, and they shall hail thee again with warm hearts and friendly hands.

He is the way said:

Being equal to the Father does not mean being the Father. Jesus was sent by the Father to do the work of salvation by His proxy atoning sacrifice in our behalf. It is all part of the plan of salvation or the plan of happiness as it is sometimes called. Jesus told us that He and the Father are one in perfection and glory. We are commanded to be perfect like our Father in heaven. Jesus was also perfected.

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Being equal to the Father does not mean being the Father. --He is the Way

Oh?





And, you have not addressed how these two set of verses align or do not align with each other. You are dismissing the fact they do NOT align--according to Mormon construct.



(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God

It is supremely important that we know God, by what is told to us in Scriptures.

Jamesone5 said:

Being equal to the Father does not mean being the Father. --He is the Way

Oh?

John 10:30
I and My Father are one.”

You are making up you own narrative here and you just can't get out of it.​

And, you have not addressed how these two set of verses align or do not align with each other. You are dismissing the fact they do NOT align--according to Mormon construct.



(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God

It is supremely important that we know God, by what is told to us in Scriptures.

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How the Father and the Son are one:

(New Testament | John 17:11)

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

(New Testament | John 17:20 - 24)

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

He is the way . . . you said that Joseph in prayer said:

5 Let thine anger be kindled against our enemies; and, in the fury of thine heart, with thy sword avenge us of our wrongs.

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Thank you for taking the time

I understand that Jesus says for us to love our enemies, and pray for those who hate us and despitefully use us.

And right while Jesus was suffering on the cross and being hated by people who were bad-mouthing Him . . . He prayed >

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)

So, your quote shows Joseph praying for God's fury against enemies, not for forgiveness like Jesus prayed. I consider how God would have admonished Joseph for not following the example of Jesus. Instead, it is said that God comforted Joseph, and said at least he was not in as much trouble as Job was. Now, I can see why God might have settled for that, not expecting Joseph to be ready for being told to follow the example of Jesus. There can be times when God communicates with us at our present level, but later He will bring us to more and greater maturity.

I have been told how Joseph considered church people to be infidels or apostates or something like this; it seems he claimed that no one was Christian, other than himself and ones with him. This can be a general reaction, which can have a person being deeply bitter, instead of having prayer with hope for anyone who really is wrong.

Also, it is my experience, that even if a church might have wrong leaders and self-righteous pew members, I can find the ones who are examples. And the example ones can stay there, because they have hope of reaching and helping the wrong ones. They, then, are not interested in taking off and isolating themselves, or grouping in separate in-crowds.

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

So, people reaching people for Jesus do not tend to run away so they can have things their own way. We can stay and still do things God's way > right "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" > Philippians 2:13-16.

But it is common for people to isolate by themselves or with others of their own feather, at home, in groups, in churches. It is common, even now, for ones to claim there are no Christian people in churches or denominations. And then different ones go different ways, about what they think they are seeing.

Cultic leaders have a clever way of pointing to some enemy and keeping most of their attention on the enemy, versus mainly talking about how God is correcting them so they do not mislead people.

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

He is the way said:

How the Father and the Son are one:

(New Testament | John 17:11)

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

(New Testament | John 17:20 - 24)

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

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This once again establishes they are one, not ----ONE in just perfection or Glory-- simply they are one. The word "as" is to be taken as "like". or used in comparison.
as
ADVERB

1. used in comparisons to refer to the extent or degree of something.

Why do Mormons assume so much and not pay attention to the little words that are written in Scripture?

com7fy8 said:

Thank you for taking the time

I understand that Jesus says for us to love our enemies, and pray for those who hate us and despitefully use us.

And right while Jesus was suffering on the cross and being hated by people who were bad-mouthing Him . . . He prayed >

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)

So, your quote shows Joseph praying for God's fury against enemies, not for forgiveness like Jesus prayed. I consider how God would have admonished Joseph for not following the example of Jesus. Instead, it is said that God comforted Joseph, and said at least he was not in as much trouble as Job was. Now, I can see why God might have settled for that, not expecting Joseph to be ready for being told to follow the example of Jesus. There can be times when God communicates with us at our present level, but later He will bring us to more and greater maturity.

I have been told how Joseph considered church people to be infidels or apostates or something like this; it seems he claimed that no one was Christian, other than himself and ones with him. This can be a general reaction, which can have a person being deeply bitter, instead of having prayer with hope for anyone who really is wrong.

Also, it is my experience, that even if a church might have wrong leaders and self-righteous pew members, I can find the ones who are examples. And the example ones can stay there, because they have hope of reaching and helping the wrong ones. They, then, are not interested in taking off and isolating themselves, or grouping in separate in-crowds.

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

So, people reaching people for Jesus do not tend to run away so they can have things their own way. We can stay and still do things God's way > right "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" > Philippians 2:13-16.

But it is common for people to isolate by themselves or with others of their own feather, at home, in groups, in churches. It is common, even now, for ones to claim there are no Christian people in churches or denominations. And then different ones go different ways, about what they think they are seeing.

Cultic leaders have a clever way of pointing to some enemy and keeping most of their attention on the enemy, versus mainly talking about how God is correcting them so they do not mislead people.

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

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Jesus did indeed LOVE His enemies. He practiced what He preached. The only time I know of when He got angry was when the money changers were desecrating the temple and He drove them off. Thank you for your comments.

He is the way said:

While Joseph Smith was in Liberty jail he was feeling down and prayed:
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:1 - 10)

1 O GOD, where art thou? And where is the pavilion that covereth thy hiding place?
2 How long shall thy hand be stayed, and thine eye, yea thy pure eye, behold from the eternal heavens the wrongs of thy people and of thy servants, and thine ear be penetrated with their cries?
3 Yea, O Lord, how long shall they suffer these wrongs and unlawful oppressions, before thine heart shall be softened toward them, and thy bowels be moved with compassion toward them?
4 O Lord God Almighty, maker of heaven, earth, and seas, and of all things that in them are, and who controllest and subjectest the devil, and the dark and benighted dominion of Sheol—stretch forth thy hand; let thine eye pierce; let thy pavilion be taken up; let thy hiding place no longer be covered; let thine ear be inclined; let thine heart be softened, and thy bowels moved with compassion toward us.
5 Let thine anger be kindled against our enemies; and, in the fury of thine heart, with thy sword avenge us of our wrongs.
6 Remember thy suffering saints, O our God; and thy servants will rejoice in thy name forever.

God admonished him in verses 7-10

7 My son, peace be unto thy soul; thine adversity and thine afflictions shall be but a small moment;
8 And then, if thou endure it well, God shall exalt thee on high; thou shalt triumph over all thy foes.
9 Thy friends do stand by thee, and they shall hail thee again with warm hearts and friendly hands.
10 Thou art not yet as Job; thy friends do not contend against thee, neither charge thee with transgression, as they did Job.

Joseph Smith was also admonished when the Book of Lehi was lost.

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8 And then, if thou endure it well, God shall exalt thee on high; thou shalt triumph over all thy foes.

I guess JS is still waiting [in wherever he is] on that triumph over all his foes.

Jamesone5 said:

8 And then, if thou endure it well, God shall exalt thee on high; thou shalt triumph over all thy foes.

I guess JS is still waiting [in wherever he is] on that triumph over all his foes.

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I suspect his foes got what they deserved.