A Torah Observant Perspective on Paul on the Law

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I don't believe that Paul was a heretic. I don't believe that he had mental issues. I do believe that he was well educated; and that as a lawyer, laymen might have difficulty understanding him. Paul was obedient to the Torah. He proclaimed the message of Messiah, who was also obedient to the Torah. Messiah taught that the Torah was eternal. He taught his disciples to follow him, as he followed the Torah.

If all of the above is true; then Paul could not have presented a message to dismiss the Torah. Any such notions stem from misunderstanding Paul.

I have started a series by which I will go through each of Paul's letters, step by step; so that I might gain a better understanding of Paul's message.


Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 1
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 2
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 3
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 4
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 5
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 6
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 7
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 8
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 9
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 10
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 11
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 12
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 13
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 14
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 15
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 16
Paul on the Law: Galatians 1
Paul on the Law: Galatians 2
Paul on the Law: Galatians 3
Paul on the Law: Galatians 4
Paul on the Law: Galatians 5
Paul on the Law: Galatians 6
Paul on the Law: Ephesians 1
Paul on the Law: Ephesians 2
Paul on the Law: 1 Corinthians 9
Paul on the Law: 2 Corinthians 3

Hallelu YAH!
 
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I do believe that he was well educated; and that as a lawyer, laymen might have difficulty understanding him. Paul was obedient to the Torah. He proclaimed the message of Messiah, who was also obedient to the Torah. Messiah taught that the Torah was eternal. He taught his disciples to follow him, as he followed the Torah.
You make no mention of Paul being baptized with the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. As such this OP thread is just another theological commentary. Whereas Paul's letters and ministry were inspired by the supernatural Gifts of the Holy Spirit as ordained by the LORD GOD.
  • Words of Wisdom
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Why do truly born again Followers with the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit as their Teacher need a theologian to give us their own commentary? There are so many commentaries on already on Romans available on the internet ... so what is special about your commentary that sets it apart from other commentaries on the book of Romans? Not being disrespectful, but asking a very legitimate question.

1 John 2:27-28
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As for you, the anointing that you received from Him remains in you, so that you do not need anyone to teach you. But His anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not false; just as it taught you, remain in Him.
28 And now, children, remain in Him, so that when He appears we may have confidence and not be put to shame by Him at His coming.​
 
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You make no mention of Paul being baptized with the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.

This is a very focused study.

The focus of this series, is to go through, each of Paul's letters. methodically, step by step, with the aid of a literal translation (CLV); and demonstrate that Paul did not abolish YHWH's Torah.

As such this OP thread may be just another theological commentary.

If you can find another such exhaustive commentary on the web, from a Torah observant perspective; please point it out to me. I'll comb through it, verse by verse. If I can glean any new insight from your source; I will look forward to updating this series with those insights.

That said, this is a work in progress. I started it in faith, not knowing where it would lead me, not knowing if I would be left embarrassed. The Ruach Ha'Kodesh called me to obedience to YHWH's word. I could no longer allow those who would twist Paul's letters to state that the Torah is obsolete, to go unanswered.

I have not been embarrassed; and this series is near completion.

Those who reject the Torah, in these forums have quieted down. They almost exclusively use Paul's letters to perpetuate confusion. I can quickly use the index in the OP to refute any claims that they make regarding the Torah being abolished, and that they purport are backed by scripture. Context is key; and Paul mentions at least eight different categories of law, in his letter to the Roman's alone. Those who reject YHWH's Torah are being left speechless.

Hallelu YHWH!

Shalom
 
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I do believe that he was well educated; and that as a lawyer, laymen might have difficulty understanding him. Paul was obedient to the Torah. He proclaimed the message of Messiah, who was also obedient to the Torah. Messiah taught that the Torah was eternal. He taught his disciples to follow him, as he followed the Torah.
As written, Yahushua Hamashiach Himself Taught Paul the Apostle.

Paul claimed something like "everything he has considered good or of value, became nought in view of and experiencing the Resurrected Christ Jesus"
i.e.
he claimed the best education is dung.... not to be built upon, but must be given up, to be Jesus Disciple.

Revelation from the Father is required , as written, as Jesus says clearly, for salvation that is hidden from the educated.
 
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As written, Yahushua Hamashiach Himself Taught Paul the Apostle.

Paul claimed something like "everything he has considered good or of value, became nought in view of and experiencing the Resurrected Christ Jesus"
i.e.
he claimed the best education is dung.... not to be built upon, but must be given up, to be Jesus Disciple.

Revelation from the Father is required , as written, as Jesus says clearly, for salvation that is hidden from the educated.
The "dung" has its place.
Luke 13:8
 
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Maybe I'm simple, but I think part of why Paul is considered anti-Torah is that there's this problematic passage of Hebrews 8:13, and he was at one time considered the author of that book.

Shabbat shalom Mikha'el,

I don't believe that the verse is problematic. I believe that it's the interpretation, stemming from anti-Torah conditioning, that is problematic.

Yahshua kept the Torah, and called us to follow his example. Paul kept the Torah, and taught us to follow Yahshua. All of the Apostles kept the Torah. They kept the Moedim after Yahshua's ascension; and the early ecclesia followed suit.

So what's the problem?

The eyes of the antiTorah bias see the word "old" and immediately think that they can continue in their Pagan tradition.

Just 3 verses before the verse in question, the stage was set for the verse in question.

"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

This verse is nothing new. It's quoting Jeremiah 31:33.

(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

When a landlord throws a bad tenant; because he couldn't keep the contract; he looks for a new tenant. He writes up a new contract for the new tenant; but he doesn't omit the terms that he evicted the previous tenant for breaking.
 
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Maybe I'm simple, but I think part of why Paul is considered anti-Torah is that there's this problematic passage of Hebrews 8:13, and he was at one time considered the author of that book.
Leviticus 17:11
Abstainance from blood?
 
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As written, Yahushua Hamashiach Himself Taught Paul the Apostle.

Paul claimed something like "everything he has considered good or of value, became nought in view of and experiencing the Resurrected Christ Jesus"
i.e.
he claimed the best education is dung.... not to be built upon, but must be given up, to be Jesus Disciple.

Revelation from the Father is required , as written, as Jesus says clearly, for salvation that is hidden from the educated.
Colossians 2:14
 
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Maybe I'm simple, but I think part of why Paul is considered anti-Torah is that there's this problematic passage of Hebrews 8:13, and he was at one time considered the author of that book.
Hebrews 10.9-10 also:

"Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
 
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Hebrews 10.9-10 also:

"Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
A washing of His Word where one of the four rivers is dried up and replaced by another where increase is offered ....
As the body of fellowship flows through the hearts of sons and daughters.
Nourishment is given in provision to those who stand firm in Faith.

As iron is a weight to blood.
Life in the voice of many waters speaks volumes to those who have been emboldened to approach The Throne.

Blessings Always
 
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I don't believe that Paul was a heretic. I don't believe that he had mental issues. I do believe that he was well educated; and that as a lawyer, laymen might have difficulty understanding him. Paul was obedient to the Torah. He proclaimed the message of Messiah, who was also obedient to the Torah. Messiah taught that the Torah was eternal. He taught his disciples to follow him, as he followed the Torah.

If all of the above is true; then Paul could not have presented a message to dismiss the Torah. Any such notions stem from misunderstanding Paul.

I have started a series by which I will go through each of Paul's letters, step by step; so that I might gain a better understanding of Paul's message.



Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 1
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 2
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 3
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 4
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 5
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 6
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 7
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 8
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 9
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 10
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 11
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 12
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 13
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 14
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 15
Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 16
Paul on the Law: Galatians 1
Paul on the Law: Galatians 2
Paul on the Law: Galatians 3
Paul on the Law: Galatians 4
Paul on the Law: Galatians 5
Paul on the Law: Galatians 6
Paul on the Law: Ephesians 1
Paul on the Law: Ephesians 2
Paul on the Law: 2 Corinthians 3

Hallelu YAH!
You stated that Paul was Torah observant.

Here is what the Torah commands regarding circumcision.

Genesis 17:13
A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Paul taught that Gentiles shall not be circumcised in direct contradiction of the Torah.

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised.

Paul was not Torah observant in regards to circumcision.

I reject your claim that Paul was Torah observant.
 
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You stated that Paul was Torah observant.

Here is what the Torah commands regarding circumcision.

Genesis 17:13
A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Paul taught that Gentiles shall not be circumcised in direct contradiction of the Torah.

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised.

Paul was not Torah observant in regards to circumcision.

I reject your claim that Paul was Torah observant.
One would need to be Torah studied before questioning ole sh'auls style of d'rash.

The Hebrew connotation of bought as bolded from brsht is a form of saying brought in.
As believers in Yeshua sons and daughter are bought with a price of blood.
And what is obvious to sons of circumcision is that daughters are not to be.

A son has his birthday.
And on the 8th yom from birth day they are circumcised.
Even if their 8th yom is a weekly Shabbat.

Blessings Always
 
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You stated that Paul was Torah observant.

Here is what the Torah commands regarding circumcision.

Genesis 17:13
A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Paul taught that Gentiles shall not be circumcised in direct contradiction of the Torah.

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised.

Paul was not Torah observant in regards to circumcision.

I reject your claim that Paul was Torah observant.
When ole sh'aul speaks from a Torah observant perspective that he is from the tribe of binyamin.
He is heeding readers to due diligence.

Study closely and a son or daughter will find that he has Chumash in his letters according to respective audience .

I've personally heard often that context is an important key.
Yet have rarely seen such an application during fellowship on internet forums.

Being that a daughter of the olam havah(kingdom of flesh from flesh and bone to marrow./spirit).
Perhaps her travail is about more than what tziporah witnessed.

Blessings Always
 
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You stated that Paul was Torah observant.

Here is what the Torah commands regarding circumcision.

Genesis 17:13
A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Paul taught that Gentiles shall not be circumcised in direct contradiction of the Torah.

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised.

Paul was not Torah observant in regards to circumcision.

I reject your claim that Paul was Torah observant.
And of course there is also a place in time where reconciliation is mentioned by ole sh'aul.

A baptism in name and washing in Word.

Whose name were you circumcised with?

Much is revealed in confessing a name.
Especially pronunciations such as shibboleth.
 
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You stated that Paul was Torah observant.

Here is what the Torah commands regarding circumcision.

Genesis 17:13
A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Paul taught that Gentiles shall not be circumcised in direct contradiction of the Torah.

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised.

Paul was not Torah observant in regards to circumcision.

I reject your claim that Paul was Torah observant.

Either the are correct and incorrect reasons for becoming circumcised and Paul was only speaking against the incorrect reasons, or according to Galatians 5:2, Christ is no value to roughly 80% of the men in the US and Paul caused Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised (Acts 16:3).
 
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Colossians 2:14

Whenever someone was crucified, the people would write out a sign that listed the charges that were against them and nail it to their cross in order to announce why they were being executed (Matthew 27:37). This served as a perfect analogy for the list of our violations of God's law being nailed to the cross and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has nothing to do with ending any of God's laws, especially because they are all eternal (Psalms 119:160).
 
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Whenever someone was crucified, the people would write out a sign that listed the charges that were against them and nail it to their cross in order to announce why they were being executed (Matthew 27:37). This served as a perfect analogy for the list of our violations of God's law being nailed to the cross and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has nothing to do with ending any of God's laws, especially because they are all eternal (Psalms 119:160).
And what violation exactly was nailed to the cross?
 
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