The Trump Presidency is Over

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Check Rasmussen -

When you're done with that -

I am asking for the implication that 70% of Evangelical Christians are equal to Nazi's to be proved.

That statement was never made. The German Christians during the WW II era were generally not party members, they were however willing to turn a blind eye, actually with far more excuse than today's American evangelicals. Of course 30% seem to not be fooled and not willing to turn a blind eye.
 
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I’m kinda torn. I’d like to think we’ve turned a corner in his presidency but at the same time I know there’s some out there who simply will not budge. There’s no logic to it, they simply cannot support anyone else. They’d rather have the lying cheating incompetent who puts people’s lives in danger for the sake of his vanity than an abortion supporting Democrat who knows what they’re doing.

Republicans, not Democrats, are the party of inflexible ideology. Their strongest base of support, after all, is rooted in religious fundamentalism.

So count me skeptical that his supporters are going to jump over a health crisis. More likely, the Right will find scapegoats, and the followers will tow the line.
 
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I suppose he might still find a way to spin it, make the medical scientists or some other scapegoat look like the incompetent ones. I don't think that's going to be quite so convincing to his supporters as the virus continues to spread however.

I think Trump is starting to catch on that he has a credibility issue, which is why we are seeing Mike Pence and Dr. Tony Fauci doing alot of the talking. It was all well and good when Trump was just goading the "libs" but now grannies are starting to die and Trump doesn't exactly convey the kind of compassionate gravitas needed in a situation like this.
 
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Republicans, not Democrats, are the party of inflexible ideology. Their strongest base of support, after all, is rooted in religious fundamentalism.

Actually, it seems that their ideology is extremely flexible - it bends to whatever their leaders say.
 
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I know, his credibility went down after that.

No, your own did. You offered the worst possible analogy, which ironically illustrated the case that I and others have been making!

Whether we consider Adolf, Vlad, Kim or Donald, ALL are characterised by having a hard core of devotees who swallow whatever pronouncements that Dear Leader makes. They fall into lockstep behind whatever he, or his state, dictates.

Your example regarding abortion is a classic! Donald and his henchmen would like to dictate to a woman what she may or may not do with her body, especially reproductively. The ‘libruls’ that you despise so much would say that the individual woman gets to make those decisions.

I can’t think of a better contrast between the authoritarian and the free thinker...!
 
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No, your own did. You offered the worst possible analogy, which ironically illustrated the case that I and others have been making!

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First off, i don't listen to Trump at all. Or other politicians. I make my own decisions based on what a person does. So no it didn't illustrate that at all. You may have control over your body but what about the life inside you? Do you have control over whether it lives or dies? If it doesnt threaten your life why kill it? Must you kill?
 
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First off, i don't listen to Trump at all. Or other politicians. I make my own decisions based on what a person does. So no it didn't illustrate that at all. You may have control over your body but what about the life inside you? Do you have control over whether it lives or dies? If it doesnt threaten your life why kill it? Must you kill?

Not my body, not my choice.
 
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The Trump Presidency Is Over

Trigger warning: the above article and snippets below, although they come from a life long republican that worked in 3 GOP administrations, should probably not be read by anyone that believes in things like Trump is doing a good job or the tooth fairy.

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Yet in some respects, the avalanche of false information from the president has been most alarming of all. It’s been one rock slide after another, the likes of which we have never seen. Day after day after day he brazenly denied reality, in an effort to blunt the economic and political harm he faced.
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The president’s misinformation and mendacity about the coronavirus are head-snapping. He claimed that it was contained in America when it was actually spreading. He claimed that we had “shut it down” when we had not. He claimed that testing was available when it wasn’t. He claimed that the coronavirus will one day disappear “like a miracle”; it won’t. He claimed that a vaccine would be available in months; Fauci says it will not be available for a year or more.
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It has taken a good deal longer than it should have, but Americans have now seen the con man behind the curtain. The president, enraged for having been unmasked, will become more desperate, more embittered, more unhinged. He knows nothing will be the same. His administration may stagger on, but it will be only a hollow shell. The Trump presidency is over.
As bad as he may be, there is not one Democrat who is better; not one whom I could support. I really wish Democrats had not wasted the past 4 years whining about Trump.
They need to DO something besides trying to make Trump look bad (he does that enough on his own) if they want to run the country... and they just don't. And they don't seem to understand it, it's bizarre.
 
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What has Trump ever done that puts him on the same moral ground as Hitler; in your view?

Who said Trump was Hitler...??

The point that you and a couple others are missing is that it’s his followers that are being compared...! Just as in the 30’s in Germany, in Nth Korea in the 00’s and in the US today, there are a significant number of deplorable people who will simply swallow whatever the Dear Leader of the time serves up to them...
 
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First off, i don't listen to Trump at all. Or other politicians. I make my own decisions based on what a person does. So no it didn't illustrate that at all. You may have control over your body but what about the life inside you? Do you have control over whether it lives or dies? If it doesnt threaten your life why kill it? Must you kill?

The only lives I’ve ever had in my body are the resident bacteria...given that I’m a male!

I have no business telling any woman what she may or may not do with her reproductive system....and neither do you!
 
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Who said Trump was Hitler...??
The person I was responding to said (paraphrasing) Christians who support trump will take their place in history right next to those Christians who supported Hitler
To me it sounds like he is putting Trump and Hitler on the same moral ground, because unless this is what he is doing, he has no reason to make such a claim.
The point that you and a couple others are missing is that it’s his followers that are being compared...! Just as in the 30’s in Germany, in Nth Korea in the 00’s and in the US today, there are a significant number of deplorable people who will simply swallow whatever the Dear Leader of the time serves up to them...
So you are suggesting if the Trump administration committed genocide against millions of Americans due to their race, that the Christians who follow him would accept it? Is this your claim? Or am I misunderstanding you. If this is your claim, I ask what do you base this on? If I am misunderstanding you, tell me where I went wrong.
 
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Yes and they will take a place in History right next to the German Christians of WW II, ignoring the faults and evil deeds of their glorious Leader.

Since the start of the novel COVID-19 outbreak months ago I've been thinking about how Anne Frank and her sister Margot died from one of the infectious diseases that rapidly afflicted thousands detained at Bergen-Belsen (typhus fever) and what plans would be made to protect the children in Trump's camps. We're being told to diligently and routinely wash our hands with soap to protect ourselves during this global pandemic. It took the intervention of United States federal court for child detainees to be given access to soap. They ruled that migrant children are entitled to toothbrushes and soap, and other fundamentals of human hygiene and dignity, after the Trump administration argued they weren't necessary. Children are still in soiled clothes, not routinely bathed, traumatized in ways that will permanently harm their development. Calloused-hearted fools who've been outraged and moaned Trump has been victimized when he's criticized for his actions have literally asked "why these people didn't bring these things with them" in reference to infants and toddlers who didn't have their own supply of formula, diapers, and shampoo on them. Trump's policies haven't been cruel as a side effect but as the actual intent. Children are still separated from their families, and there's a less functional tracking system in place for reunification than what a bowling ally has to make sure people get their shoes back.

Bergen-Belsen wasn't a death camp, and it had euphemistic names that made it sound less atrocious, less brutal and dehumanizing, than we know that it was. It was a hell made on Earth by men for men, women, children. All they had in the camp for any joy or love was one another, and that's what makes infectious diseases so heartbreaking because it's indifferent about emotions and you can infect the person who has kept your spirit alive. A recurrent theme in Nazi antisemitic propaganda was that Jews spread diseases. It's the primary reason Christians at the time argued that the Jews (as well as the Soviets, Romanians, gays and others imprisoned in the camps) should remain detained. The recurrent theme in Trump's propaganda is that foreigners are exclusively at fault for the global COVID-19 pandemic, not his stupefyingly incompetent and indifferent series of actions, dating to when he eliminated the pandemic response directorate in the NSC, to his current bungling, that lead to the country he is supposed to be leading being woefully unprepared. Of course Fox News, the Russian bots, Rush Limbaugh and other proxies for Trump will immediately leap in and spread the contagion of propaganda as soon as someone tests positive in the migrant detainment camps. Jews imprisoned in the camps were blamed for the infectious diseases that afflicted people......outside of the camps. Some Nazi propaganda even depicted the camps as sanitariums that protected the rest of the population from the further spread of disease.

There is not so much as a dust of hope that COVID-19 will not race through the ICE facilities and migrant detainment camps. These camps and facilities are so overcrowded people are sleeping in toilet stalls so social distancing is most definitely not an option. There have been outbreaks of flu, mumps, chicken pox and tuberculosis, and an outbreak of COVID-19 is inevitable. It will most likely be people from outside the camps who will bring it in. A guard. Or maybe a benevolent attorney sincerely trying to help, who didn't know she was contagious since she wasn't yet symptomatic. Once the detainees are infected Trump will not have sympathy, his heart will not be weighted with grief and concern; just the opposite. It will fuel his xenophobia. He will seize upon it with gusto. In his rally just a couple of weeks ago where he called the outbreak a "hoax by the Democrats" he spouted racist rhetoric, primarily fixated on the Chinese but of course as soon as someone in an ICE facility and CBP camp tests positive for COVID-19 he'll speed over to Twitter to rouse up the "build the wall" crowd. Never mind that the wall would, of course, not have stopped coronavirus. Trump and members of his administration (including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo) have shared messages that refer to COVID19 as the “Wuhan virus” or “China virus,” both of which critics say are as racist and xenophobic, and of course that has polluted onto this forum as well.

The Miami Herald reported the Trump administration ordered immigration court staff throughout the country to take down posters that explained in English and Spanish how to prevent catching and spreading the coronavirus.

Trump was surprised that people die of the flu. Three migrant children died due to complications from the flu while in federal custody last year. That is why the CDC recommended that all migrants be given the flu shot; they're inexpensive, simple to administer, and low-risk. Doctors volunteered to administer the vaccines. They were refused. After arrests of protesting doctors, the border agency dug in on refusal to vaccinate migrants. There is no way a vaccine for COVID-19 will be available in the near future, but if Trump was reelected and one became available later into a second term, I have no faith all, not even a spark, that he'd ensure the least among us, the children in the migrant camps, will receive it. Doctors have pleaded with the Trump administration that the tenet to be followed by the American Medical Association is "humanity is our patient." To no avail.

I also write long posts when I'm stressed. Thanks for always reading what I write.
 
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Of course Fox News, the Russian bots, Rush Limbaugh and other proxies for Trump will immediately leap in and spread the contagion of propaganda as soon as someone tests positive in the migrant detainment camps.

Once the detainees are infected Trump will not have sympathy, his heart will not be weighted with grief and concern; just the opposite. It will fuel his xenophobia. He will seize upon it with gusto.

The sad part in seeing all this coming is to know without a shadow of a doubt that the US failed to learn the most important lesson from WWII, one which is drilled into German children heads every year: why the Germans became Nazis. Why the Germans committed such atrocities. How demagoguery becomes evil. Etc.

Instead we pat ourselves on the back about how our parents and grandparents defeated evil without one thought as to how to avoid becoming evil ourselves.
 
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Not my body, not my choice.
The law says differently. You cant get an abortion in all circumstances. THe law should protect the lives of the unborn. We treat animals better than the unborn.
 
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The only lives I’ve ever had in my body are the resident bacteria...given that I’m a male!

I have no business telling any woman what she may or may not do with her reproductive system....and neither do you!
Its not about her reproductive system, its about saving life. I feel its wrong to kill that life. We treat animals better than these human lives. The law already tells women what they cant do, there are abortion restrictions in this country, do you think there shouldn't be?.
 
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Really? They're all over the government.

And what happens when, as a conservative, your criticize Trump? Youre a RINO liberal closet democrat.
I've seen that here. I see it on the news all the time. If you truly believe that in an environment that encourages that response , that people feel free to speak their mind, you best give the head a shake

Oh yeah! Same. I've seen that too. Not IRL but online different places. The Zoomers here made friends w a guy who used to be on here who is legit a Republican but is critical of Trump, bc of Trump's behaviour, actions, policies that really aren't actually....all that Republican. So he was constantly derided for that, it was constantly implied he was a RINO. I learned that term bc of ppl here calling him that. The lulz thing about the hate he got from Trump ppl is that he comes from a major Republican family, lol. He def. supports Republicans. Just not Trump.
 
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As an editorial it was fine. I struggle to find objective facts, though.

The neighbors, the "diabolical" Prince, the Ex-Facebook Professor (an objective source if ever there was one), the glossing over of Syria's true dynamic duo in Obama/Hillary...these are found to be insufficient.

As proof.

Well yeah. That's obv. your struggle. The objective facts are packed into that post. Dude the Facebook prof she's referring to is Alex Stamos. I mean. He testified to Congress on exactly what she's talking about in that post. Most of her info she shares not here so much but on her own site about Syria comes from another prof, Brett McGurk who was the presidential envoy to defeat ISIL. He knows what he is talking about. You don't seem to know what's currently going on, but ok.
 
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The person I was responding to said (paraphrasing) Christians who support trump will take their place in history right next to those Christians who supported Hitler
To me it sounds like he is putting Trump and Hitler on the same moral ground, because unless this is what he is doing, he has no reason to make such a claim.

So you are suggesting if the Trump administration committed genocide against millions of Americans due to their race, that the Christians who follow him would accept it? Is this your claim? Or am I misunderstanding you. If this is your claim, I ask what do you base this on? If I am misunderstanding you, tell me where I went wrong.
Exactly, the comparison was that Trump supporters are supporting someone like Hitler, so that is comparing Trump to Hitler.
 
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So he was constantly derided for that, it was constantly implied he was a RINO. I learned that term bc of ppl here calling him that. The lulz thing about the hate he got from Trump ppl is that he comes from a major Republican family, lol. He def. supports Republicans. Just not Trump.
But its ok to compare Republicans to Nazis? I would rather be called a Rhino. The liberal hypocrisy is amazing
 
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