The Museum of the Bible's 'Dead Sea Scrolls' are all forgeries

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Balderdash! I found the Ark Encounter to be the absolute pinnacle of Evangelical Scholarship.

Confusing mythical stories with historical facts has never endeared me to evangelical culture.

A wooden ship the size of the Ark would be impossible to be seaworthy. The torsional forces on the frame of the ship would cause it to leak.
 
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Are you a shipbuilder?

Would A wooden ship the size of the Ark be
seaworthy? If we believe the bible it would.
Scientists for Jesus: Scientific Study Endorses Seaworthiness of Ark

Someone who is a scientist with a certain area of limited expertise can be unfamiliar with legitimate biblical scholarship, the consensus of which is that the story of Noah's Ark doesn't represent history as we would understand it today. It's a fantastical story similar to what is found in other ancient near-eastern cultures.

I find the Bible no more credible as an historical source than the Epic of Gilgamesh would be to you.

There have been no historically documented wooden ships as big as the Ark that were seaworthy. Indeed, the biggest wooden ship in the world, the Wyoming, sank in rough seas because it leaked so much, despite the use of bilge pumps.
 
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Indeed, the biggest wooden ship in the world, the Wyoming, sank in rough seas because it leaked so much, despite the use of bilge pumps.

It is because they didn’t use gopher wood…
 
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Someone who is a scientist with a certain area of limited expertise can be unfamiliar with legitimate biblical scholarship, the consensus of which is that the story of Noah's Ark doesn't represent history as we would understand it today. It's a fantastical story similar to what is found in other ancient near-eastern cultures.

I find the Bible no more credible as an historical source than the Epic of Gilgamesh would be to you.

There have been no historically documented wooden ships as big as the Ark that were seaworthy. Indeed, the biggest wooden ship in the world, the Wyoming, sank in rough seas because it leaked so much, despite the use of bilge pumps.

You are obviously then, not a believer in God or His ability to maintain the ark. And you do not believe in the bible for Jesus clearly did believe in Noah and the flood. It is also fantastical that Jesus fed 5,000 on a few fish and loaves of bread, or that He walked on water, nor did He raise anyone from the dead, and He certainly couldn't have risen from the grave---all truly fantastical. What are you then? "Other religion" doesn't say anything.
 
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But what was at the museum, outside of the originals that are in the vaults, everyone knows are fakes, recreations of the originals to protect the originals, for the originals are too fragile, so they have the copies available. That's what I always thought from what they had said. I don't get it, what the museums shows have always been copies. Or is there something else I'm missing?

I go to museums fairly often and while it’s not unheard of for reproductions to be displayed, IME, it’s a lot less common than you might think. I’ve had several occasions where I assumed a piece was a reproduction only to find out it was original. Conversely, I saw a traveling exhibit of the Dead Sea Scrolls a few years ago wherein the fragments were behind such thick, heavily-tinted glass that they were very hard to see and IMO, fakes would have been better. TBH, I’m pretty surprised that stuff doesn’t get trashed a lot more often than it does - paintings rarely have more protection than a velvet rope and sculptures get even less. I’ve almost backed into a Rodan on a couple occasions and I don’t know how many priceless works I could’ve sneezed all over.

Googling around suggests that reproductions are less common in art museums and more common in science and natural history museums or other places where pieces are kept outside and/or in a hands-on exhibit.
 
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the consensus of which is that the story of Noah's Ark doesn't represent history

I guess majority rules then?
How many Believed Noah?

"I tell you that he will avenge them speedily.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh,
shall he find faith on the earth?"

"But as the days of Noah were, so shall
also the coming of the Son of man be.

It's a fantastical story similar to what is found in other ancient near-eastern cultures.

I find the Bible no more credible as an historical source than the Epic of Gilgamesh would be to you.

I guess that is what "Other Religion" is for.

Various descriptions of a great, cataclysmic
ancient flood are common around the world.

These common ideas point to a common root
event. The account of the Flood is not just
found among the Israelites.

The Epic of Gilgamesh is probably the most
famous extra-biblical Flood account.
Why Does Nearly Every Culture Have a Tradition of a Global Flood?

How did all of these completely different peoples, all over the globe, get the same general—and sometimes very specific—ideas?

There have been no historically documented wooden ships as big as the Ark that were seaworthy.

That does not prove anything except that
Gods design was far better then modern mans.

We only have the size not the exact design.
Not to mention God keeping them safe.
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Archaeology also keeps Proving
lots of Bible History Accurate.
 
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You are obviously then, not a believer in God or His ability to maintain the ark. And you do not believe in the bible for Jesus clearly did believe in Noah and the flood. It is also fantastical that Jesus fed 5,000 on a few fish and loaves of bread, or that He walked on water, nor did He raise anyone from the dead, and He certainly couldn't have risen from the grave---all truly fantastical. What are you then? "Other religion" doesn't say anything.
Jesus often used all sorts of literary tools. And since we know that there was no flood claiming that Jesus believed in the Ark is a claim that Jesus was just a man. Are you sure you want to say that?
 
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Archaeology also keeps Proving
lots of Bible History Accurate.
Archaeology also keeps proving Bible history to be inaccurate. That is a knife that cuts both ways.


As to the Ark story it is better to try to learn why we know that it never happened.
 
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seaworthy? If we believe the bible it would.

You are obviously then, not a believer in God or His ability to maintain the ark.

Whoa whoa whoa, I only wanted to talk about some fake scrolls here. If you want me to show how the Noachian flood didn't happen, let's take it to the Science forums.
 
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I looked at a couple of those and they don’t “prove” anything. All they do is demonstrate that parts of the Bible are at least not inconsistent with historical events. Given that the Jewish people lived within a world at certain points in history, it would make sense that their myths and traditions would reflect actual historical events. Modern historical fiction does the same thing. That doesn’t mean, however, that all the details important to the Biblical story are correct.
 
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All they do is demonstrate that parts of the Bible are at least not inconsistent with historical events.
Would that not 'prove' its historical accuracy?
Given that the Jewish people lived within a world at certain points in history,
Not sure what you mean by that.....
it would make sense that their myths and traditions would reflect actual historical events.
And so they wrote them down so they could worship a god who supposedly did these things?....created god in their own image so to speak?
Modern historical fiction does the same thing.
So today we, as Christians, are also worshiping a god whom the Hebrews made up?
That doesn’t mean, however, that all the details important to the Biblical story are correct.
Then what does it mean?
 
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Would that not 'prove' its historical accuracy?

Not sure what you mean by that.....

And so they wrote them down so they could worship a god who supposedly did these things?....created god in their own image so to speak?

So today we, as Christians, are also worshiping a god whom the Hebrews made up?

Then what does it mean?
It means that if there is a story of Peter Parker meeting Mary Jane at Grand Central Station at a particular coffee shop, and that NYC exists, and Grand Central Station exists, and Starbucks has a store there, one cannot just assume Spiderman fought Doc Ock.
 
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It means that if there is a story of Peter Parker meeting Mary Jane at Grand Central Station at a particular coffee shop, and that NYC exists, and Grand Central Station exists, and Starbucks has a store there, one cannot just assume Spiderman fought Doc Ock.
Hmmmmm, thought we were talking about historical accuracy not fantasy....
 
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