Will the "least in in the kingdom of heaven" be less happy?

RaymondG said:

Note that I have faith, not in myself, but in the words of Christ:
"25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Is it ok that I answer "Yay Lord," without adding exceptions or conditions. Can I just say, "Thy will be done," without dictating to God was is and isnt possible in the flesh....as if anything is impossible for God.

Yes few have the faith of the mustard seed......Few willing to believe the unbelievable....few willing to accept the unacceptable. But we still have a chance..... Are you willing to accept life with me....even though it will be a lonely narrow road.....after which multitudes of people will mock a laugh at you.....as though you were saying it was going to rain during a time when rain was unheard of?


Using your interpretation of this passage...... does your interpretation still stand for Lazarus? How about Enoch? Is your interpretation true for them, or would exceptions have to be made, or outlier added?

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So were all the apostles faithless and you are the one and only "true Christian"?

RaymondG said:

Note that I have faith, not in myself, but in the words of Christ:
"25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Is it ok that I answer "Yay Lord," without adding exceptions or conditions. Can I just say, "Thy will be done," without dictating to God was is and isnt possible in the flesh....as if anything is impossible for God.

Yes few have the faith of the mustard seed......Few willing to believe the unbelievable....few willing to accept the unacceptable. But we still have a chance..... Are you willing to accept life with me....even though it will be a lonely narrow road.....after which multitudes of people will mock a laugh at you.....as though you were saying it was going to rain during a time when rain was unheard of?


Using your interpretation of this passage...... does your interpretation still stand for Lazarus? How about Enoch? Is your interpretation true for them, or would exceptions have to be made, or outlier added?

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Enoch was raptured, Elijah was raptured, but virtually everyone else has a phyhsical death.
Unless you think the rapture of all believers will happen in the next few years, you will physically die. Your soul will separate from your body. You're deluding yourself to think that if the end of the world isn't in the next 100 years, you'll still be walking on this world. The ONLY way you'll never have a physical death, is if tribulations begin soon and the rapture takes place.
You sound proud, like you take it as a measure of pride that you're gong to be the one true christian that lives for hundreds of years on earth and never experiences physical death. Everyone else was just "fake believers" but YOU, YOU are the true faithful! So you populate Heaven with just yourself, Enoch, Elijah, and Jesus.

RaymondG said:

So does this mean that you have found exceptions for your interpretation of the verse you quoted? Why is that? Truth seldom makes room for exceptions. Truth will always be true. If my interpretation was wrong in some cases, I would consider looking for an alternate interpretation.


I do believe that we must all be raptured in our lifetime.....But I doubt I would agree with your interpretation of rapture.....especially if, like your above interpretation, it is only true in some cases...adding in a few exceptions.

I get it...Life is not easy to accept......neither was Rain in the time of Noah, nor the resurrection in the time of Jesus. There is nothing new under the sun.

Just remember that when you are ready to receive life.....It will be waiting for you.....as long as you will have it wait.



Thanks for the compliment. I would refrain from, so boldly, giving your ideas of true and false Christians and the population of heaven. For there are some who may be offended by them.....even though I know you mean no offense.

Let us just make sure that we examine ourselves.....and know that Jesus Christ is in us....except we be reprobate. When this discovery is made, we pass from death to life.....never to die again....

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Yes, but you do physically die. Period, you're deluding yourself if you think that somehow you're going to be different from everyone else. We're appointed to die once. Our spirit goes to God, and we are Resurrected on the last day.
Be clear with me, do you honestly believe, that you will never physically die, even if the tribulations won't be for hundreds of years from now. Like your obituary will never be in the paper, and they will never bury your body?
Cause that's what you come across as saying, and that has not happened for anyone, where they just walk on earth for hundreds of years, not since the time of Noah. Some like Abraham got well over 100, but these days people don't live past 120 or so.
Are you saying none of those people are saved because they have physically died and their bodies were buried?

Btw I think it's interesting to note that there have been 2 human beings translated into Heaven without dying. Enoch, and Elijah.
There will be two witnesses prophesying in Jerusalem during the wrath of God. The beast will have them killed. They will be resurrected 3 days later and ascend to Heaven.

Again
Hebrews 9:27

Two men have not died their appointed death. 2 men blessed with the power to prophesy and perform miracles will die, be resurrected, and ascend to Heaven.

Salvadore said:

If I am the very least, I will still be happy. Consider the alternative.

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Eh what you were quoting has to do with 1 guy who apparently thinks that God's promises of eternal life have to do with his current body on this current earth.

RaymondG said:

Yes, I am aware the these two exceptions that render your interpretations false.......while not causing you to change your interpretation.

But it there a third? What about Lazarus? Does he die once, as your interpretation say that he must?
He was dead 3 days, and was raises from the dead..... do you believe that He died again" e.g. was the man who was appointed to physical die once, according to your interpretation, die twice?

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No record after John says what happens to Lazarus after his resurrection, maybe he was raptured after that and only died his one appointed death.
You will die yours too.
Step away from your pride.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Good!
Some school seems to teach things in error like what he keeps posting about.
Thus there is perhaps some kind of group support for posters that go along with errors they post.
It is or seems to me to be unlikely that any Christian group would teach them that kind of stuff.

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I worry because it has 2 fold negative effects.
#1 it causes you to doubt the faith of others if you think that Jesus meant no physical death and so you start thinking well nobody but me is faithful, it opens you up to pride to think you're special among all the rest of God's creatures that YOU will be the ONE person who has true saving faith.
#2 it shows an underlying fear of death. We should accept that death was brought into this world by sin and we will all die as a result of it, but we shouldn't fear death because, we know there is hope beyond it, we know that Jesus conquers death, we know that we go to a better place, we know that we will be with our Lord. To fear death is to also hold onto this world too tightly. Maybe I do that myself to a degree worrying about not being as fulfilled as I could possibly be in heaven and the new earth because of the absence of some things I enjoy, but I do still ultimately believe it's better than this current life and current world and all of its suffering and sin. It is BETTER than what we could possibly get here. I just don't expect to get everything I want and do think it's possible that as a result I will be less happy than I COULD be, and I do disregard any desire that is actually sin. I just mean things like knowing your family will be in hell kind of thing. Pray for them to seek God, if not by my poor witness to them, then by someone else.
But I don't fear death itself. I don't go out seeking it but I know that it'll happen to me, and
1 Philippians 1:21-23

actually a third way that this mentality troubles me.
#3. If RaymondG is ever terminally ill and dying. It could shatter his faith entirely because he believed all the while that God would protect him from illness and death on this earth.

RaymondG said:

Now we are getting somewhere....We are now considering the impossible. I too, agree that he may not have died....and it would be error to say that we know he did.



Thanks, you are right again. As I said above, using a seed, "unless a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone; but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit."

We must be willing to die to live, after which we will never taste death again.

And who is this pride person you keep mentioning? Is she someone important to you?

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Your pride, where you think you are never going to die and be buried. Where you think your flesh is going to be immortal. Only your spirit will never die. Unless we start having tribulation pretty soon.
But that was not Jesus promising that all people who have faith in Him will never physically die. They will die, be buried, their spirit goes to Christ, and they will be resurrected one day.
But the flesh we're currently in? That's going away.