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I know Catholics believe Mary is the "queen of heaven" but who is the king of heaven?
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I know Catholics believe Mary is the "queen of heaven" but who is the king of heaven?
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Mary is Queen purely due to her being mother of the King. I'm pretty sure you know who the King is.
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I've never seen where Mary claimed to be the queen of heaven, but Jesus claimed to be God, the I AM, and why the Pharisees wanted to kill Him.
Queen of heaven is mentioned in the Bible though, and it is the reason why Catholics call Mary that title. If they only knew the reason for it...
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No, it is inferred that Jesus was claiming to be God. He never stated it outright.
No, they call her Queen because she is the mother of the King. What you are claiming is a blatant lie.
If only you would listen when people explain things to you.
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No, it is not a lie, it is church history. It is also the reason in the letter to Thyatira, Jezebel is mentioned.
Do you believe Jesus meant that He was I AM, or were the Pharisees mistaken?
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No, it is completely made up by Alexander Hislop.
And what does Jezebel have to do with the "Queen of Heaven"?
The Pharisees were able to infer what Jesus was claiming.
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In the Old Testament, Jezebel was a high priestess of the Babylonian mystery religion of the goddess and child. The pagan goddess was called the queen of heaven in Jeremiah. The pairing of mother and child pagan idols were in every country by different names: Isis and Horus, Ishtar and Tammuz, Venus and Cupid and many others. In one country the child is also the husband of the goddess. The facsimile of this pagan pairing was brought into the church when paganism was outlawed and Christianity became the state religion. Jezebel is representative of the Babylonian mystery religion that the Roman church adopted for their pagan forced converts, and they renamed the Roman goddess and child, Mary and Jesus. That's the history.
Let me be clear. The true Mary is not Jezebel. Jezebel is the Babylonian mystery religion. Mary was never meant to be disrespected like this, but she has been for over 1500 years.
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No, she was the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Sidonians, and wife of King Ahab of Israel who worshiped Baal. This had absolutely no connection to Babylon.
Yes, although there was no child deity associated with her, and this "queen of heaven" was not associated with Baal who Jezebel worshiped.
But the "queen of heaven" in Jeremiah had no paired child. You are conflating completely unrelated beliefs that in reality have no connection at all.
Not remotely true. There is no historical evidence to show that such a development took place. None, zip, nada. It is complete fiction. If you read through 1 & 2 Kings, however, you learn that the mother of the king was queen and not his wife. If you then read through Luke's gospel it becomes pretty obvious where Christians came up with Mary being queen.
Jezebel has nothing to do with Babylon and no pagans were forced to become Christians
No, that is complete fiction from the febrile imagination of Alexander Hislop.
Once again, there is absolutely no connection between Jezebel and any supposed Babylonian mystery religion. All of the garbage you keep repeating has its only source in the book written by Alexander Hislop which has been shown to have no basis in historical facts. The Babylonian empire is centuries apart from 3rd century Rome as well as being geographically distinct. There is no traceable link between the two.
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Exactly! The worship of Baal is all part of the Babylonian Mystery religion. It started 400 years after the flood. Moloch was another type god. Haven't you heard of God's command to not let your children pass through the fire? They did child sacrifice, and it is even thought they may have even eaten them. It was Nimrod who built the tower of Babel. After he died, Semiramis is wife became pregnant, and her illegitimate son, Tammuz, she claimed was her husband reborn. She claimed she had not been with a man. Thus, the pagan belief in reincarnation began. So not only was Tammuz her child, but also her husband.
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Paul told the Greek worshippers of the unknown god that they were worshipping the Same God that He was.
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Not at all. Nowhere in the passage does Paul assert that the Greek unknown god was YHWH (יהווה). Unknown God - Wikipedia
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but this
Acts 17
for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:
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Thank you for the verse taken out of its context. As they say, " A verse out of context is a pretext for error."
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Stated with no historical evidence linking the two. Somebody needs to put a trademark on that phrase "Babylonian Mystery Religion". It keeps getting thrown around like it actually means something.
What has this got to do with Mary being queen of heaven?
Nimrod and Semiramis lived centuries apart. The only source of information we have for Nimrod is Genesis 10, 1 Chronicles 1, and Micah 5. There is no mention of a wife or son. Semiramis is from around 1500 years after the birth of Cush. She lived between the ninth and eighth centuries B.C., was married to King Shamshi-Adad V, who reigned from 823 to 811 B.C., and was the mother of King Adad-nirari III. What we know for real about Semiramis is literally from 4 inscriptions discovered in Iraq and Turkey. Tammuz was an Akkadian deity, derived from the Summerian Damu-zid. His parents were the god Enki and the goddess Duttur.
These are the facts that we know about Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz. Everything you posted above is complete fiction which has been regurgitated on a dozen different websites. They all have Alexander Hislop as their source.
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Catholics are associating Mary, the mother of Jesus with pagan goddesses. It is an abomination. Mary was never a mediator between us and God. Only Jesus is our mediator. The queen of heaven has always referred to other gods and goddesses.
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8 “Behold, you trust in lying words that cannot profit. 9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, 10 and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, ‘We are delivered to do all these abominations’? 11 Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it,” says the Lord.
12 “But go now to My place which was in Shiloh, where I set My name at the first, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of My people Israel. 13 And now, because you have done all these works,” says the Lord, “and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear, and I called you, but you did not answer, 14 therefore I will do to the house which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to this place which I gave to you and your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. 15 And I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brethren—the whole posterity of Ephraim.
16 “Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you. 17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. 19 Do they provoke Me to anger?” says the Lord. “Do they not provoke themselves, to the shame of their own faces?”
20 Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Behold, My anger and My fury will be poured out on this place—on man and on beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground. And it will burn and not be quenched.”
21 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat meat. 22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. 23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’ 24 Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day, I have even sent to you all My servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them. 26 Yet they did not obey Me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers.
27 “Therefore you shall speak all these words to them, but they will not obey you. You shall also call to them, but they will not answer you.
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The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews who dwell in the land of Egypt, who dwell at Migdol, at Tahpanhes, at Noph, and in the country of Pathros, saying, 2 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘You have seen all the calamity that I have brought on Jerusalem and on all the cities of Judah; and behold, this day they are a desolation, and no one dwells in them, 3 because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke Me to anger, in that they went to burn incense and to serve other gods whom they did not know, they nor you nor your fathers. 4 However I have sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, “Oh, do not do this abominable thing that I hate!” 5 But they did not listen or incline their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense to other gods. 6 So My fury and My anger were poured out and kindled in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; and they are wasted and desolate, as it is this day.’
7 “Now therefore, thus says the Lord, the God of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Why do you commit this great evil against yourselves, to cut off from you man and woman, child and infant, out of Judah, leaving none to remain, 8 in that you provoke Me to wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense to other gods in the land of Egypt where you have gone to dwell, that you may cut yourselves off and be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth? 9 Have you forgotten the wickedness of your fathers, the wickedness of the kings of Judah, the wickedness of their wives, your own wickedness, and the wickedness of your wives, which they committed in the land of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 10 They have not been humbled, to this day, nor have they feared; they have not walked in My law or in My statutes that I set before you and your fathers.’
11 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Behold, I will set My face against you for catastrophe and for cutting off all Judah. 12 And I will take the remnant of Judah who have set their faces to go into the land of Egypt to dwell there, and they shall all be consumed and fall in the land of Egypt. They shall be consumed by the sword and by famine. They shall die, from the least to the greatest, by the sword and by famine; and they shall be an oath, an astonishment, a curse and a reproach! 13 For I will punish those who dwell in the land of Egypt, as I have punished Jerusalem, by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence, 14 so that none of the remnant of Judah who have gone into the land of Egypt to dwell there shall escape or survive, lest they return to the land of Judah, to which they desire to return and dwell. For none shall return except those who escape.’ ”
15 Then all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, with all the women who stood by, a great multitude, and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying: 16 “As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord, we will not listen to you! 17 But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. 18 But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.”
19 The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission?”
20 Then Jeremiah spoke to all the people—the men, the women, and all the people who had given him that answer—saying: 21 “The incense that you burned in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, you and your fathers, your kings and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and did it not come into His mind? 22 So the Lord could no longer bear it, because of the evil of your doings and because of the abominations which you committed. Therefore your land is a desolation, an astonishment, a curse, and without an inhabitant, as it is this day. 23 Because you have burned incense and because you have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord or walked in His law, in His statutes or in His testimonies, therefore this calamity has happened to you, as at this day.”
24 Moreover Jeremiah said to all the people and to all the women, “Hear the word of the Lord, all Judah who are in the land of Egypt! 25 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying: ‘You and your wives have spoken with your mouths and fulfilled with your hands, saying, “We will surely keep our vows that we have made, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her.” You will surely keep your vows and perform your vows!’ 26 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, all Judah who dwell in the land of Egypt: ‘Behold, I have sworn by My great name,’ says the Lord, ‘that My name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, “The Lord God lives.” 27 Behold, I will watch over them for adversity and not for good. And all the men of Judah who are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by famine, until there is an end to them. 28 Yet a small number who escape the sword shall return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah; and all the remnant of Judah, who have gone to the land of Egypt to dwell there, shall know whose words will stand, Mine or theirs. 29 And this shall be a sign to you,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will punish you in this place, that you may know that My words will surely stand against you for adversity.’
30 “Thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will give Pharaoh Hophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies and into the hand of those who seek his life, as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, his enemy who sought his life.’ ”
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You keep claiming this, yet the only evidence you put forward is the nonsense fiction of Alexander Hislop. I'm also curious as to why you brought up child sacrifice to Moloch. Were you suggesting that Catholics engage in child sacrifice? If not, what was your point?
Mary is an intercessor, just like any other Christian who prays for others is an intercessor. No one is claiming Mary is a mediator. Christ is the only one who is both God and man.
So your argument is that because there is a false "queen of heaven" there can't be a true "queen of heaven"? That would be the same as stating that there cannot be a true God because there are all these false gods. Seriously, have you thought this through?
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Silly, you, yourself call Mary the queen of heaven, the title of the goddesses. Where is this scriptural?
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I don't. I simply understand why Catholics do, and it has nothing to do with the nonsense you keep repeating.
I've already told you where it is inferred. 1 & 2 Kings tells us that the mother of the king is the queen. Luke's Gospel tells us that Mary is the mother of Jesus, who is the King of Kings.
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