Forms of christianity that seem like a form of satanism

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Reverse Christianity or teaching about a Jesus that does the opposite of the Jesus in the bible, (thus do so likewise) is a form of Satanism.

What do you think of this sentiment?
As your post is a double-negative, I agree with the summation.
A Jesus that does counter to the biblical Jesus is devilish.
 
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All christian churches are ruled by masonry, just look at the symbols used and you get the idea.
Many ( if not all ) of the world leaders are masons...

Bush, Putin and the actual president of China, Xi Jinping dressed in clothes with the mason's symbol, what do you need more? Throughout the ages, the christian church with all its branches has been part of politics affairs, wars and even space exploration.

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The mormon church founded by masons, the Jehova's witness church also part of the masons, check the image below ( Jehovah's Witnesses Conference Hall in Silkeborg, Denmark )

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Both the catholic church and orthodox church are filled with the symbols used by the masons, it's funny that these symbols appeared before the masons.

I can go on and on... wake up.
 
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Reverse Christianity or teaching about a Jesus that does the opposite of the Jesus in the bible, (thus do so likewise) is a form of Satanism.

What do you think of this sentiment?

I think most of Christianity teaches the opposite of what Jesus is in the Bible.

For example, Christians hate to be the "whistleblower" and even preach, that's not our job to do. But Jesus said, on the contrary, that's His job and our job too.

Another thing is being careful not to offend anyone, smile and greet everybody. That's not what Jesus and the Saints in the Bible teach.

If Jesus actually avoided offending anybody, then He'd be living in a big building, had plenty of followers and won't be crucified.

The truth of the matter in the Bible is that, most Jews got angry at Him. He had many followers at one point but MOST of them left Him because they couldn't tolerate His teachings. Most of the Jews found His teachings repulsive.

If NOT for His miracles, he'd probably be killed a lot sooner.

That's who Jesus is, apart from the miracles, he's not a very likeable person that many thinks He is.

Most of the prophets are hated in the Bible, from the prophets of the Old Testament, all the way to the Two Witnesses.

And yet most Christians still think the opposite.

Luke 6:22
Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.
 
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Both the catholic church and orthodox church are filled with the symbols used by the masons, it's funny that these symbols appeared before the masons.

I can go on and on... wake up.

These symbols are actually partial Hexagrams.

Extensively used in the Occult as these symbols represent the reality of our Universe.

Think of it as an up and down arrow that crosses each other.

I think it was orginally used by King Solomon (in Jewish myths, it was said he dabbled with the Occult / sorcery) NOT surprising given the many heathen wives he had and the many false gods he worshipped.

Eventually, the symbols got into the Roman Empire (the beast) and the rest is history.

Their unifying power (including the devil they collaborate with) is money. This is why Latin words and art are often used in paper money designs since Latin is the language of ancient Rome.

You'll find that Latin is also endemic is all the government around the world.

It isn't Masonry /Illuminati/ w/e you should be worrying about. They all are part of something bigger and very old and it may be surprising to you, King Solomon maybe a big part of it.
 
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Oh and let's not begin to talk about money...

A lot of Christians preach the opposite about Jesus concerning money.

They are quick to quote the verse John 10:10. They quickly assume Jesus is talking about material prosperity or both material and spiritual prosperity (they never drop material prosperity from it because they love it!)

But not at all. The right context is in John chapter 6. It's only about the Truth, the Truth that saves. To see "life abundantly" as having a good life here on Earth is very shallow as there are many teachings of Christ that contradicts that. It rather means eternal life from knowing the Truth.

Oh and the Parable Talents, again many Christians think this is about investing money. NOt at all. The Bible actually explains what it is all about in other verses.

The Parable is again about the Truth. Those who do not seek for the Truth, (the little truth they have) will be taken from them - They will succumb to false teachings.

And that is exactly what is happening today to a rather large % of Christianity. It's bad.
 
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Not al all. Jesus taught love, mercy, help others, serve.

We see a lot of self centeredness, us vs them, greed, judgement in many Christians.

May I ask - why do you think that is? If Jesus is in their heart, should they become new creations?

Let's take an easy target - Westboro Baptist Church.
They are vulgar. The taunt people about going to hell. They are very harsh and hateful about the world, and then go on television and are infamous.

What would motivate a Christian to behave that way, and wouldn't the Holy Spirit weigh on their hearts, if God dicn't literally just speak out?
 
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Oh and let's not begin to talk about money...

A lot of Christians preach the opposite about Jesus concerning money.

They are quick to quote the verse John 10:10. They quickly assume Jesus is talking about material prosperity or both material and spiritual prosperity (they never drop material prosperity from it because they love it!)

But not at all. The right context is in John chapter 6. It's only about the Truth, the Truth that saves. To see "life abundantly" as having a good life here on Earth is very shallow as there are many teachings of Christ that contradicts that. It rather means eternal life from knowing the Truth.

Oh and the Parable Talents, again many Christians think this is about investing money. NOt at all. The Bible actually explains what it is all about in other verses.

The Parable is again about the Truth. Those who do not seek for the Truth, (the little truth they have) will be taken from them - They will succumb to false teachings.

And that is exactly what is happening today to a rather large % of Christianity. It's bad.

And I don't think being wealthy is the problem, but as you are illustrating, it's taking the teachings, but then trying to apply them to worldly goals: having excess wealth, and using it for power, to impress others with jewelry or your Tesla, to belong to elite and exclusive clubs that pretend their concern is the less fortunate than to see and be seen by other wealthy people, etc.

The guy who invented magnetic poetry was a young guy who lived in Minneapolis, but he spent much of his money helping under privileged students learn spoken word and poetry, donated to nonprofits, etc.

I din't believe that God wishes us to be poor, but not to love wealth more than him or others, and certainly not to gain wealth at the expense of others
 
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I think most of Christianity teaches the opposite of what Jesus is in the Bible.

For example, Christians hate to be the "whistleblower" and even preach, that's not our job to do. But Jesus said, on the contrary, that's His job and our job too.

Another thing is being careful not to offend anyone, smile and greet everybody. That's not what Jesus and the Saints in the Bible teach.

If Jesus actually avoided offending anybody, then He'd be living in a big building, had plenty of followers and won't be crucified.

The truth of the matter in the Bible is that, most Jews got angry at Him. He had many followers at one point but MOST of them left Him because they couldn't tolerate His teachings. Most of the Jews found His teachings repulsive.

If NOT for His miracles, he'd probably be killed a lot sooner.

That's who Jesus is, apart from the miracles, he's not a very likeable person that many thinks He is.

Most of the prophets are hated in the Bible, from the prophets of the Old Testament, all the way to the Two Witnesses.

And yet most Christians still think the opposite.

Luke 6:22
Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.

Jesus was mostly hated by the religious leaders who were hypocrites. He exposed them as frauds, and pushed people away from God.

But Jesus waxn't hated in general, but rather, were drawn to him. A woman of ill repute loved him so much she went acriss town to find him with Simon, washed his feet with her tears, and dried them with her hair.

Christ sat quietly. He accused her oc nothing. He had probably shown her that God the Father loves her, now. It isn't a conditional love. The Pharisees who hayed Jesus harshly judged "the sinners" and not only thought God did mot live them, but didn't even acknowledge them.

I think that some Christians like to justify that they are being harsh like Jesus, when they are being harsh out of lack of love.

The Christ you describe id not the one I know. He didn't walk over and say, "harlot! Liar! Taxcollecting theif, you betray your own people! Repent or burn... Hey mind if I eat with you?

That's the easy love. Call people names, offend, then pretend you are loving your neighbor and following Jesus. In thr meantime, a nonbeliever will do the exact same thing and the target will see no difference.

There is. The nonbeliever is being honest with themselves, and admitting that they are offending to harm. The are usually hated as well.
 
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But Jesus waxn't hated in general

And yet most of the Jews voted for Jesus to die at the cross.

A woman of ill repute loved him so much she went acriss town to find him with Simon, washed his feet with her tears, and dried them with her hair.

She was only among the FEW who loves Him
 
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The guy who invented magnetic poetry was a young guy who lived in Minneapolis, but he spent much of his money helping under privileged students learn spoken word and poetry, donated to nonprofits, etc.

I din't believe that God wishes us to be poor, but not to love wealth more than him or others, and certainly not to gain wealth at the expense of others

They gave out of the abundance of their wealth. Jesus didn't looked at the situation very positively.

A lot of Christians today see that money can make a huge difference to help other people.

Of course it can!

But it's not the only way to help, nor actually what the Lord wanted instead. Most people who see too much usefulness of money (even in positive light to help other people) usually lacks faith in the supernatural provisions of the Lord.

Even their faith of the supernatural is limited in God providing material blessings but does not consider God providing supernatural abilities. They would rather have God give them money than supernatural gifts.

It is a problem. And there are verses to show how that is a problem.
 
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Good converstion so far. Regrettably, still cannot use the rating system.

Here is the next verse:

Matthew 6
1 ¶ Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye:
 
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And yet most of the Jews voted for Jesus to die at the cross.

She was only among the FEW who loves Him

12 The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem.
13They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! ” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”“Blessed is the king of Israel!”
14 Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, as it is written:
15 “Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey’s colt.”
16 At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that these things had been done to him.
17 Now the crowd that was with him when he called Lazarus from the tomb and raised him from the dead continued to spread the word.
18 Many people, because they had heard that he had performed this sign, went out to meet him.
19 So the Pharisees said to one another, “See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!”

Doesn't sound like a few. Would it make sense if 2-3 people were laying down palm branches? And who shows he hates Christ? The Pharisee who taught the law in the temple.

John 6:3-14
And Jesus went up on the mountain, and there He sat with His disciples. Now the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was near. Then Jesus lifted up His eyes, and seeing a great multitude coming toward Him, He said to Philip, “Where shall we buy bread, that these may eat?” But this He said to test him, for He Himself knew what He would do. Philip answered Him, “Two hundred denarii worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may have a little.” One of His disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, said

5000 people is more than a few. There are numbers of verses of crowds following him to hear him, to have him heal them, etc.
 
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They gave out of the abundance of their wealth. Jesus didn't looked at the situation very positively.

A lot of Christians today see that money can make a huge difference to help other people.

Of course it can!

But it's not the only way to help, nor actually what the Lord wanted instead. Most people who see too much usefulness of money (even in positive light to help other people) usually lacks faith in the supernatural provisions of the Lord.

Even their faith of the supernatural is limited in God providing material blessings but does not consider God providing supernatural abilities. They would rather have God give them money than supernatural gifts.

It is a problem. And there are verses to show how that is a problem.

Interesting how you leave stuff out, like, with all the supernatural gifts in the world, without love, your tongues is a noisy gong, your miracle of no use to God.
 
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John 6:3-14
5000 people is more than a few. There are numbers of verses of crowds following him to hear him, to have him heal them, etc.

You forgot about John 6:66. Most of that 5000 left Him.

They were only there for the miracles but did not like the things Jesus preached so they left Him.

12 The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem.

And yet, they did not believe Him (same chapter as the verses you quoted):

37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:

“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”h]">[h]


39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:

40 “He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”i]">[i]
 
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Interesting how you leave stuff out, like, with all the supernatural gifts in the world, without love, your tongues is a noisy gong, your miracle of no use to God.

A lot of things Apostle Paul preached isn't meant for us. Because the context is meaningless to us. They were meant for the gentiles of that time whose cultures are different from ours

Paul explained it, did it, and even his own disciples observed it.

The biggest mistake of Christianity is making Paul's teachings doctrine when Paul's teachings are not applicable to us in the same degree as the teachings of Moses. We are greatly divided among each other because of it.

And that is the goal of Jesus all along - Matthew 10:34-36

Carefully consider the things you accept to believe (Proverbs 14:15)
 
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The biggest mistake of Christianity is making Paul's teachings doctrine when Paul's teachings are not applicable to us in the same degree as the teachings of Moses. We are greatly divided among each other because of it.

Do you think that same reasoning might apply to the teachings of Moses?
 
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Do you think that same reasoning might apply to the teachings of Moses?

Yes. Aside for the 10 Commandments, Moses made many more laws for the Jews for they are a hard-headed people (during Exodus)

While Jesus did not explicitly told us to stop observing these laws of Moses, many of Christ's teachings would make many of these laws useless.

So they do not apply to us anymore.

And the teachings of Paul in the Book of Romans was also meant to address the situation of Christian Jews demanding Gentile converts to observe Torah (Laws of Moses).

If you can imagine the situation, we have a gentile audience that is confused what to do and Paul is trying to keep things simple for them.

At the time, they didn't have a Bible yet but presumably relied entirely upon the Holy Spirit for guidance (John 16:13)

But we are no longer the confused gentiles as they've been. We now have Bibles and the Holy Spirit. We can read why Paul had to teach in a certain way to specific audiences based on their culture and situation.

And this why Paul's own disciples wrote the Gospels differently from what Paul preached. They weren't theologically the same. Because were intended for a wider audience, including us.
 
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May I ask - why do you think that is?

That is a very good question. We see people who are zealous with the Bible and yet totally off. I think part it is part a peer pressure thing. But also an inability to say, "Maybe I am wrong on this."
 
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