Paul on the Law: Galatians 5

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Continued from: Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Galatians 5 (CLV)
1 For freedom Christ frees us! Stand firm, then, and be not again enthralled with the yoke of slavery."

What is Messiah freeing us from? Is it YHWH's Law?

Where in scripture can we find that YHWH's law is slavery?

(CLV) Ja 1:25
Now he who peers into the perfect law, that of freedom, and abides, not becoming a forgetful listener, but a doer of the work, this one will be happy in his doing.

That doesn't sound like slavery.

What does Paul say about the law?

(CLV) Ro 7:12
So that the law, indeed, is holy, and the precept holy and just and good.

What might this bondage be?

Let's look at this letter in context. After all, it was written to be read as a letter, not a sound byte.

CLV) Ga 2:4
Yet, it was because of the false brethren who were smuggled in, whoa came in by the way to spy out our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, that they shall be enslaving us-

Ahh! I see. We're back to the Pharisees, and the traditions of men.
Paul on the Law: Galatians 2

(CLV) Ga 4:3
Thus we also, when we were minors, were enslaved under the elements of the world.Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Ah yes, and the elements of the world. That's in opposition to the Law of YHWH
The word "again" in that verse, settles it. The Galatians weren't Torah observant before Paul, so they couldn't return to the Torah, if they didn't come from it.

Clearly again, Paul did not abolish YHWH's Law.

2 Lo! I, Paul, am saying to you that if you should be circumcising, Christ will benefit you nothing." 3 Now I am attesting again to every man who is circumcising, that he is a debtor to do the whole law."

Again, in context to the Pharisees. Paul is reminding the Galatians that if you are to be saved by the law; you must keep all of the law perfectly.

4 Exempted from Christ were you who are being justified in law. You fall out of grace.

Is Paul saying that by keeping YHWH's law through faith that we fall from grace? Of course not!

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

5 For we, in spirit, are awaiting the expectation of righteousness by faith."

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision is availing anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith, operating through love."

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 15:10
If ever you should be keeping My precepts, you will be remaining in My love, according as I have kept the precepts of My Father and am remaining in His love.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:5
Yet whoever may be keeping His word, truly in this one the love of God is perfected. In this we know that we are in Him:

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

(CLV) 2Jn 1:6
And this is love, that we may be walking according to His precepts. This is the precept, according as you hear from the beginning, that you may be walking in it;

7 You raced ideally! Who hinders you not to be persuaded by the truth? 8 This persuasion is not of Him Who is calling you. 9 A little leaven is leavening the whole kneading. 10 I have confidence in you in the Lord that in nothing you will be disposed otherwise. Now he who is disturbing you shall be bearing his judgment, whosoever he may be." 11 Now I, brethren, if I am still heralding circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? Consequently the snare of the cross of Christ has been nullified." 12 Would that those who are raising you to insurrection struck themselves off also! 13 For you were called for freedom, brethren, only use not the freedom for an incentive to the flesh, but through love be slaving for one another." 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your associate as yourself." 15 Now if you are biting and devouring one another, beware that you may not be consumed by one another." 16 Now I am saying, Walk in spirit, and you should under no circumstances be consummating the lust of the flesh." 17 For the flesh is lusting against the spirit, yet the spirit against the flesh. Now these are opposing one another, lest you should be doing whatever you may want."

Lawlessness

Is the Spirit of YHWH in opposition to the Law of YHWH?

Of course not.

Verse 5 just stated that in the spirit we are awaiting righteousness, that is obedience to the law.

(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

18 Now, if you are led by spirit, you are not still under law."

(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

Which law do you suppose you are not under, when led by the Ruach HaKodesh?

(CLV) Ezk 36:26
I will give you a new heart, And a new spirit will I bestow within you, And I will take away the heart of stone from your flesh, And I will give you a heart of flesh.

(CLV) Ezk 36:27
My spirit shall I bestow within you, And I will make it that you shall walk in My statutes and observe My ordinances, And you will obey them.

If you are of the spirit you aren't under the law; as you aren't under sin. You're obedient to the law.

This was covered Here: Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Romans 7
14 For we are aware that the law is spiritual, yet I am fleshly, having been disposed of under Sin." 15 For what I am effecting I know not, for not what I will, this I am putting into practice, but what I am hating, this I am doing." 16 Now if what I am not willing, this I am doing, I am conceding that the law is ideal."

19 Now apparent are the works of the flesh, which are adultery, prostitution, uncleanness, wantonness, 20 idolatry, enchantment, enmities, strife, jealousies, furies, factions, dissensions, sects, 21 envies, murders, drunkennesses, revelries, and the like of these, which, I am predicting to you, according as I predicted also, that those committing such things shall not be enjoying the allotment of the kingdom of God."

Because they continued breaking YHWH's law; therefore they were under the law. They were slaves of sin. They were in the flesh.

22 Now the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 meekness, self-control: against such things there is no law." 24 Now those of Christ Jesus crucify the flesh together with its passions, and lusts." 25 If we may be living in spirit, in spirit we may be observing the elements also." 26 We may not become vainglorious, challenging one another, envying another."

Hallelu YAH!

Paul on the Law: Galatians 6

yeshuaslavejeff · Mar 12, 2020

HARK! said:
For the flesh is lusting against the spirit, yet the spirit against the flesh. Now these are opposing one another, lest you should be doing whatever you may want."

So many are posting daily, publishing also - televisions, movies, internet, newpapers, books,

that they WILL DO whatever they want to do.... in the flesh, regardless of consequences (even eternal death).....

In the news, this is not so surprising, although for some, it surprised them because they once thought they lived in a mostly Christian nation.... they may be devastated and embarrassed as the truth comes out.

On a Christian site, it is maybe a little more surprising - so be careful - watch , and test, and see what people post in their own words, themselves (not what others say about them).... so much is anonymous on the internet - who is who? who is true ? who is real ? Who is who they say they are ? < shrugs > daily a challenge... be aware...

SkyWriting · Mar 12, 2020

HARK! said:
Continued from: Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Galatians 5 (CLV)
1 For freedom Christ frees us! Stand firm, then, and be not again enthralled with the yoke of slavery."

What is Messiah freeing us from? Is it YHWH's Law?

Where in scripture can we find that YHWH's law is slavery?

(CLV) Ja 1:25
Now he who peers into the perfect law, that of freedom, and abides, not becoming a forgetful listener, but a doer of the work, this one will be happy in his doing.

That doesn't sound like slavery.

What does Paul say about the law?

(CLV) Ro 7:12
So that the law, indeed, is holy, and the precept holy and just and good.

What might this bondage be?

Let's look at this letter in context. After all, it was written to be read as a letter, not a sound byte.

CLV) Ga 2:4
Yet, it was because of the false brethren who were smuggled in, whoa came in by the way to spy out our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, that they shall be enslaving us-

Ahh! I see. We're back to the Pharisees, and the traditions of men.
Paul on the Law: Galatians 2

(CLV) Ga 4:3
Thus we also, when we were minors, were enslaved under the elements of the world.Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Ah yes, and the elements of the world. That's in opposition to the Law of YHWH
The word "again" in that verse, settles it. The Galatians weren't Torah observant before Paul, so they couldn't return to the Torah, if they didn't come from it.

Clearly again, Paul did not abolish YHWH's Law.

2 Lo! I, Paul, am saying to you that if you should be circumcising, Christ will benefit you nothing." 3 Now I am attesting again to every man who is circumcising, that he is a debtor to do the whole law."

Again, in context to the Pharisees. Paul is reminding the Galatians that if you are to be saved by the law; you must keep all of the law perfectly.

4 Exempted from Christ were you who are being justified in law. You fall out of grace.

Is Paul saying that by keeping YHWH's law through faith that we fall from grace? Of course not!

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

5 For we, in spirit, are awaiting the expectation of righteousness by faith."

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision is availing anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith, operating through love."

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 15:10
If ever you should be keeping My precepts, you will be remaining in My love, according as I have kept the precepts of My Father and am remaining in His love.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:5
Yet whoever may be keeping His word, truly in this one the love of God is perfected. In this we know that we are in Him:

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

(CLV) 2Jn 1:6
And this is love, that we may be walking according to His precepts. This is the precept, according as you hear from the beginning, that you may be walking in it;

7 You raced ideally! Who hinders you not to be persuaded by the truth? 8 This persuasion is not of Him Who is calling you. 9 A little leaven is leavening the whole kneading. 10 I have confidence in you in the Lord that in nothing you will be disposed otherwise. Now he who is disturbing you shall be bearing his judgment, whosoever he may be." 11 Now I, brethren, if I am still heralding circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? Consequently the snare of the cross of Christ has been nullified." 12 Would that those who are raising you to insurrection struck themselves off also! 13 For you were called for freedom, brethren, only use not the freedom for an incentive to the flesh, but through love be slaving for one another." 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your associate as yourself." 15 Now if you are biting and devouring one another, beware that you may not be consumed by one another." 16 Now I am saying, Walk in spirit, and you should under no circumstances be consummating the lust of the flesh." 17 For the flesh is lusting against the spirit, yet the spirit against the flesh. Now these are opposing one another, lest you should be doing whatever you may want."

Lawlessness

Is the Spirit of YHWH in opposition to the Law of YHWH?

Of course not.

Verse 5 just stated that in the spirit we are awaiting righteousness, that is obedience to the law.

18 Now, if you are led by spirit, you are not still under law."

(CLV) Ezk 36:26
I will give you a new heart, And a new spirit will I bestow within you, And I will take away the heart of stone from your flesh, And I will give you a heart of flesh.

(CLV) Ezk 36:27
My spirit shall I bestow within you, And I will make it that you shall walk in My statutes and observe My ordinances, And you will obey them.

If you are of the spirit you aren't under the law; as you aren't under sin. You're obedient to the law.

This was covered Here: Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Romans 7
14 For we are aware that the law is spiritual, yet I am fleshly, having been disposed of under Sin." 15 For what I am effecting I know not, for not what I will, this I am putting into practice, but what I am hating, this I am doing." 16 Now if what I am not willing, this I am doing, I am conceding that the law is ideal."

19 Now apparent are the works of the flesh, which are adultery, prostitution, uncleanness, wantonness, 20 idolatry, enchantment, enmities, strife, jealousies, furies, factions, dissensions, sects, 21 envies, murders, drunkennesses, revelries, and the like of these, which, I am predicting to you, according as I predicted also, that those committing such things shall not be enjoying the allotment of the kingdom of God."

Because they continued breaking YHWH's law; therefore they were under the law. They were slaves of sin. They were in the flesh.

22 Now the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 meekness, self-control: against such things there is no law." 24 Now those of Christ Jesus crucify the flesh together with its passions, and lusts." 25 If we may be living in spirit, in spirit we may be observing the elements also." 26 We may not become vainglorious, challenging one another, envying another."

Hallelu YAH!

What was the question again?

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

SkyWriting said:
What was the question again?

You came in on the middle of a study series. There are many questions; now that I'm into this study. I will be reviewing each of Paul's letters, step by step, in context. When I've completed combing through his letters; I'll go back and update previous letters with new discoveries.

This was the initial question. The question evolved in my study; but it is still fundamentally the same question:

Is there a difference between The Law of Faith, A Different Law, The Law of My Mind, The Law of Sin, God's Law, The Spirit's Law of Life, The Law of Sin and Death, and The Law of Righteousness?

All of these laws, and maybe more were mentioned by Paul in his letter to the Romans.

So when Paul speaks of The Law; the next logical question is which law?

Aussie Pete · Mar 12, 2020

HARK! said:
Continued from: Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Galatians 5 (CLV)
1 For freedom Christ frees us! Stand firm, then, and be not again enthralled with the yoke of slavery."

What is Messiah freeing us from? Is it YHWH's Law?

Where in scripture can we find that YHWH's law is slavery?

(CLV) Ja 1:25
Now he who peers into the perfect law, that of freedom, and abides, not becoming a forgetful listener, but a doer of the work, this one will be happy in his doing.

That doesn't sound like slavery.

What does Paul say about the law?

(CLV) Ro 7:12
So that the law, indeed, is holy, and the precept holy and just and good.

What might this bondage be?

Let's look at this letter in context. After all, it was written to be read as a letter, not a sound byte.

CLV) Ga 2:4
Yet, it was because of the false brethren who were smuggled in, whoa came in by the way to spy out our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, that they shall be enslaving us-

Ahh! I see. We're back to the Pharisees, and the traditions of men.
Paul on the Law: Galatians 2

(CLV) Ga 4:3
Thus we also, when we were minors, were enslaved under the elements of the world.Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Ah yes, and the elements of the world. That's in opposition to the Law of YHWH
The word "again" in that verse, settles it. The Galatians weren't Torah observant before Paul, so they couldn't return to the Torah, if they didn't come from it.

Clearly again, Paul did not abolish YHWH's Law.

2 Lo! I, Paul, am saying to you that if you should be circumcising, Christ will benefit you nothing." 3 Now I am attesting again to every man who is circumcising, that he is a debtor to do the whole law."

Again, in context to the Pharisees. Paul is reminding the Galatians that if you are to be saved by the law; you must keep all of the law perfectly.

4 Exempted from Christ were you who are being justified in law. You fall out of grace.

Is Paul saying that by keeping YHWH's law through faith that we fall from grace? Of course not!

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

5 For we, in spirit, are awaiting the expectation of righteousness by faith."

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision is availing anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith, operating through love."

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 15:10
If ever you should be keeping My precepts, you will be remaining in My love, according as I have kept the precepts of My Father and am remaining in His love.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:5
Yet whoever may be keeping His word, truly in this one the love of God is perfected. In this we know that we are in Him:

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

(CLV) 2Jn 1:6
And this is love, that we may be walking according to His precepts. This is the precept, according as you hear from the beginning, that you may be walking in it;

7 You raced ideally! Who hinders you not to be persuaded by the truth? 8 This persuasion is not of Him Who is calling you. 9 A little leaven is leavening the whole kneading. 10 I have confidence in you in the Lord that in nothing you will be disposed otherwise. Now he who is disturbing you shall be bearing his judgment, whosoever he may be." 11 Now I, brethren, if I am still heralding circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? Consequently the snare of the cross of Christ has been nullified." 12 Would that those who are raising you to insurrection struck themselves off also! 13 For you were called for freedom, brethren, only use not the freedom for an incentive to the flesh, but through love be slaving for one another." 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your associate as yourself." 15 Now if you are biting and devouring one another, beware that you may not be consumed by one another." 16 Now I am saying, Walk in spirit, and you should under no circumstances be consummating the lust of the flesh." 17 For the flesh is lusting against the spirit, yet the spirit against the flesh. Now these are opposing one another, lest you should be doing whatever you may want."

Lawlessness

Is the Spirit of YHWH in opposition to the Law of YHWH?

Of course not.

Verse 5 just stated that in the spirit we are awaiting righteousness, that is obedience to the law.

18 Now, if you are led by spirit, you are not still under law."

(CLV) Ezk 36:26
I will give you a new heart, And a new spirit will I bestow within you, And I will take away the heart of stone from your flesh, And I will give you a heart of flesh.

(CLV) Ezk 36:27
My spirit shall I bestow within you, And I will make it that you shall walk in My statutes and observe My ordinances, And you will obey them.

If you are of the spirit you aren't under the law; as you aren't under sin. You're obedient to the law.

This was covered Here: Paul on the Law: Galatians 4

Romans 7
14 For we are aware that the law is spiritual, yet I am fleshly, having been disposed of under Sin." 15 For what I am effecting I know not, for not what I will, this I am putting into practice, but what I am hating, this I am doing." 16 Now if what I am not willing, this I am doing, I am conceding that the law is ideal."

19 Now apparent are the works of the flesh, which are adultery, prostitution, uncleanness, wantonness, 20 idolatry, enchantment, enmities, strife, jealousies, furies, factions, dissensions, sects, 21 envies, murders, drunkennesses, revelries, and the like of these, which, I am predicting to you, according as I predicted also, that those committing such things shall not be enjoying the allotment of the kingdom of God."

Because they continued breaking YHWH's law; therefore they were under the law. They were slaves of sin. They were in the flesh.

22 Now the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 meekness, self-control: against such things there is no law." 24 Now those of Christ Jesus crucify the flesh together with its passions, and lusts." 25 If we may be living in spirit, in spirit we may be observing the elements also." 26 We may not become vainglorious, challenging one another, envying another."

Hallelu YAH!

I would point out that the Lord Jesus was God's Word from the beginning. That precedes the Law. The Sermon on the Mount fundamentally changes the emphasis from outward observances to inner heart attitudes. A Christian may observe the law in every detail yet be sinning in his heart.

The Law was put in charge of us to bring us to Christ. It has done its job once we are born again. We then live by the Spirit. If we live by the Spirit, we live in obedience to God's revealed will for right now, not in slavish obedience to words from thousands of year ago.

Someone said that its not that we break the Law, it is the Law that breaks us. It is when we realise our helpless condition that we turn to God to save us. While we imagine that we have the power to keep God's law, we are independent of God and we have no need for Him to save us.

If we are to live by the Old Testament Law then we need to abide by all of its requirements. That is no longer possible. The Temple in Jerusalem no longer exists. Man may try to rebuild it but for what? God has superseded the physical temple with the "Living Temple", the Body of Christ.

If you want to live by the Law then you need also to enforce the principle of blessing and cursing. It's no longer acceptable to stone people for driving to church.

For those who insist that the day of worship should be a Saturday, ask yourself this question. If it is such a terrible sin to worship on Sunday, how come so many of the mightiest men of God were not Sabbatarians? John Wesley, Martin Luther, Watchman Nee, Ivor Marshall, Billy Graham, to name just a few, met for worship on Sundays. How come God blessed what Sabbatarians would condemn?

The Law is nowhere near as demanding as God's righteousness requires. God looks at the heart, not outward observance.

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
I would point out that the Lord Jesus was God's Word from the beginning

The Word is The Law.

(CLV) Jn 14:6
Jesus is saying to him, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one is coming to the Father except through Me.

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THE WAY
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(CLV) Ex 18:20
You will warn them with the statutes and the laws and make known to them the way in which they shall go and the deeds which they shall do.

(CLV) Dt 10:12
And now, Israel, what is Yahweh your Elohim asking of you, save to fear Yahweh your Elohim, to walk in all His ways, to love Him and to serve Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul,

(CLV) Jos 22:5
But observe meticulously to keep the instruction and the law that M woses the servant of Yahweh enjoined on you: to love Yahweh your Elohim and to walk in all His ways, to observe His instructions, to cling to Him and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.

(CLV) 1Ki 2:3
You will keep the charge of Yahweh your Elohim to walk in His ways, to observe His statutes and His instructions, His ordinances and His testimonies as written in the law of Moses, so that you may act intelligently in all that you do and everywhere that you turn around,

(CLV) Ps 119:1
Happy are those whose way is flawless, Who are walking in the law of Yahweh.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,

(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.

(CLV) Mal 2:8
Yet you withdraw from the way. You cause many to stumble at the law. You ruin the covenant of Levi, says Yahweh of hosts.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

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THE TRUTH
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(CLV) Ps 119:142
Your righteousness is eonian righteousness, And Your law is truth.

(CLV) Mal 2:6
The law of truth, it came to be in his mouth, and iniquity, it was not found on his lips. In peace and in uprightness he walked with Me, and turned many back from depravity.

(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,

(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."

(CLV) Ro 2:20
a discipliner of the imprudent, a teacher of minors, having the form of knowledge and the truth in the law.

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THE LIFE
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(CLV) Jb 33:30
To restore his soul from the pit, To enlighten him with the light of the living.

(CLV) Ps 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light shall we see light.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life

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THE LIGHT
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(CLV) Jn 8:12
Again, then, Jesus speaks to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world. He who is following Me should under no circumstances be walking in darkness, but will be having the light of life."

(CLV) Jb 24:13
They are among those revolting against the light; They neither recognize its ways Nor dwell in its tracks.

(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,

(CLV) Isa 51:4
Attend to Me, My people, And, My folk, give ear to Me! For a law shall go forth from Me, And My judgment for a light of the peoples.

(CLV) 2Co 6:14
Do not become diversely yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness? Or what communion has light with darkness?

(CLV) 1Jn 1:7
Yet if we should be walking in the light as He is in the light, we are having fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, is cleansing us from every sin.

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THE WORD
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(CLV) Jn 1:14
And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.

(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,

(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."

(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.

Yahshua is the living Torah!

If we walk in his ways; we walk in the Torah.

SkyWriting · Mar 12, 2020

HARK! said:
You came in on the middle of a study series. There are many questions; now that I'm into this study. I will be reviewing each of Paul's letters, step by step, in context. When I've completed combing through his letters; I'll go back and update previous letters with new discoveries.

This was the initial question. The question evolved in my study; but it is still fundamentally the same question:

Is there a difference between The Law of Faith, A Different Law, The Law of My Mind, The Law of Sin, God's Law, The Spirit's Law of Life, The Law of Sin and Death, and The Law of Righteousness?

All of these laws, and maybe more were mentioned by Paul in his letter to the Romans.

So when Paul speaks of The Law; the next logical question is which law?

He refers to the golden rule.
Likely, you know it.

I only respond to one post at a time. Nothing more.

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
The Sermon on the Mount fundamentally changes the emphasis from outward observances to inner heart attitudes. A Christian may observe the law in every detail yet be sinning in his heart.

It was always about circumcision of the heart. Circumcision will save you no more than will Baptism. These are outward signs of obedience, to what the Ruach Ha'Kodosh has already done for you inside.

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
The Law was put in charge of us to bring us to Christ. It has done its job once we are born again. We then live by the Spirit. If we live by the Spirit, we live in obedience to God's revealed will for right now, not in slavish obedience to words from thousands of year ago.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Someone said that its not that we break the Law, it is the Law that breaks us.

That doesn't sound inspired to me.

Aussie Pete said:
It is when we realise our helpless condition that we turn to God to save us. While we imagine that we have the power to keep God's law, we are independent of God and we have no need for Him to save us.

(CLV) Mt 19:26
Now, looking at them, Jesus said to them, "With men this is impossible, yet with God all is possible."

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
If we are to live by the Old Testament Law then we need to abide by all of its requirements. That is no longer possible. The Temple in Jerusalem no longer exists. Man may try to rebuild it but for what? God has superseded the physical temple with the "Living Temple", the Body of Christ.

Who is your High Priest? Mine is Yahshua.

(CLV) 1Pt 2:5
you, also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, into a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, most acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

If you pick up your pale, and follow Yahshua, in obedience to YHWH, as Yahshua was obedience to YHWH; You ARE the sacrifice.

(CLV) Ro 12:1
I am entreating you, then, brethren, by the pities of God, to present your bodies a sacrifice, living, holy, well pleasing to God, your logical divine service,

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
If you want to live by the Law then you need also to enforce the principle of blessing and cursing. It's no longer acceptable to stone people for driving to church.

I'm in exile. When Yahshua gathers Israel back into the land; you can be sure that justice will prevail.

Maria Billingsley · Mar 12, 2020

HARK! said:
The Word is The Law.

I was shocked to see this. The word is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Be blessed.

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
For those who insist that the day of worship should be a Saturday, ask yourself this question. If it is such a terrible sin to worship on Sunday, how come so many of the mightiest men of God were not Sabbatarians? John Wesley, Martin Luther, Watchman Nee, Ivor Marshall, Billy Graham, to name just a few, met for worship on Sundays. How come God blessed what Sabbatarians would condemn?

YHWH's moedim are appointments that he makes with us. Do you think that you can just dismiss his appointment, and show up when you please? You'd give your doctor more respect.

Those guys were confused. They mired in the tradition of the Pagan Sun god worshiping influence of their predecessors. Do you know what Yahshua said about placing the traditions of men over the Law of YHWH?

I won't postpone YHWH's Shabbat, to SUNday. Deuteronomy 12:4

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Maria Billingsley said:
I was shocked to see this. The word is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Be blessed.

Read all the way through; and it might make sense to you.

Yahshua is the living Torah!

Shalom

Maria Billingsley · Mar 12, 2020

HARK! said:
Read all the way through; and it might make sense to you.

Yahshua is the living Torah!

Shalom

Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the Flesh.

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
The Law is nowhere near as demanding as God's righteousness requires. God looks at the heart, not outward observance

Romans 7:22 - For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man.

Romans 7:12 - Therefore the Law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.”

(CLV) Ro 2:15
who are displaying the action of the law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying together and their reckonings between one another, accusing or defending them,

Romans 2:12 - For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law will be justified;

Romans 7
14 For we are aware that the law is spiritual, yet I am fleshly, having been disposed of under Sin." 15 For what I am effecting I know not, for not what I will, this I am putting into practice, but what I am hating, this I am doing." 16 Now if what I am not willing, this I am doing, I am conceding that the law is ideal."

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 15:10
If ever you should be keeping My precepts, you will be remaining in My love, according as I have kept the precepts of My Father and am remaining in His love.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:5
Yet whoever may be keeping His word, truly in this one the love of God is perfected. In this we know that we are in Him:

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

(CLV) 2Jn 1:6
And this is love, that we may be walking according to His precepts. This is the precept, according as you hear from the beginning, that you may be walking in it;

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Maria Billingsley said:
Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the Flesh.

You seem to be arguing. How would this refute what I posted?

Maria Billingsley · Mar 12, 2020

HARK! said:
You seem to be arguing. How would this refute what I posted?

Disagreeing is not arguing.

The Torah was made for man. It did not exist in the perfected garden of Eden until the fall, it was not even known. Torah does not equal God. Torah is the result of man's disobedience. The Torah has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He did not say He was the Torah itself. We now have a new law, the "law of Christ".
Blessings

HARK! · Mar 12, 2020

Maria Billingsley said:
It did not exist in the perfected garden of Eden until the fall, it was not even known.

(CLV) 2Jn 1:6
And this is love, that we may be walking according to His precepts. This is the precept, according as you hear from the beginning, that you may be walking in it;

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