another virus thread ( this one concerning the possible vaccine

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Do you believe that taking it should be mandatory? We all know that millions of people a year choose not to get the flu sshot. If one is developed should it be required to get.
 

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There is no realistic hope of a working vaccination before this outbreak has run its course.
At which point why would one really be needed as badly. I mean they have a flu shot every year.
 
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Do you believe that taking it should be mandatory? We all know that millions of people a year choose not to get the flu sshot. If one is developed should it be required to get.
That would depend upon:
  • The risks associated with the vaccine - nature and probability
  • The effectiveness of the vaccine
  • The projected epidemiological consequences of a significant proportion of individuals refusing to voluntarily vaccinate
  • Other technical factors an amateur like me is unaware of
There is no realistic hope of a working vaccination before this outbreak has run its course.
My understanding, which may be in error, is that this virus is by now established in the global community. If this is the case then our attitudes to vaccination against it, when and if this becomes available, is important.
 
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There is no realistic hope of a working vaccination before this outbreak has run its course.

Yup, first you need to test it on ants, and then mice, and then rabbits, and then dogs, and then monkeys, and finally human testing.

That's a very long time.
 
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My understanding, which may be in error, is that this virus is by now established in the global community. If this is the case then our attitudes to vaccination against it, when and if this becomes available, is important.

I agree.
 
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At which point why would one really be needed as badly.

Because this is a deadly virus that we will have to deal with from now on to some level.

I mean they have a flu shot every year.

This is not the flu. Get that though you head. This is at least an order of magnitude more deadly than a bad flu strain.
 
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Because this is a deadly virus that we will have to deal with from now on to some level.



This is not the flu. Get that though you head. This is at least an order of magnitude more deadly than a bad flu strain.
I get that it is more deadly than the flu my point was that millions of people opt not to get the flu shot every year and the government ( with a few exceptions does not have a problem with that. My point was likewise should people be REQUIRED to get this shot ( which really goes back to the fact that it is more deadly; therefore as such should it be something people should be required to protect against?
 
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There is no realistic hope of a working vaccination before this outbreak has run its course.

Agreed! All viruses are self-limiting, meaning they burn out within a short period of time. This is true of even Ebola the most deadly we know of with a kill rate of over 80%. This infectious outbreak will run its course and people will be fine.
 
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I get that it is more deadly than the flu my point was that millions of people opt not to get the flu shot every year and the government ( with a few exceptions does not have a problem with that. My point was likewise should people be REQUIRED to get this shot ( which really goes back to the fact that it is more deadly; therefore as such should it be something people should be required to protect against?

Short answer? Absolutely not! No one should be forced to have a medical intervention that carries multiple risks.

To go deeper though, the flu shot is incredibly ineffective. At best it works up to 60%. In 2017 it was only about 10% effective. So you get 100% of the risk with only 10% possibility of benefit. Because like antibiotics and bacterium, there is the issue of mutation which we are seeing across all diseases. This COVID-19 is novel and any vaccine developed for it, won't work on another variation.

Further, people who get the flu shot more than once, are actually at higher risk of getting other upper respiratory infections....including COVID. The US DOD discovered this. Those who had gotten the vaccine had higher rates of coronavirus.

Study: Getting flu shot 2 years in a row may lower protection

"they found that the infection risk was nearly the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated participants, indicating no significant vaccine-induced protection"

I have never gotten a flu shot and I never will. I won't be getting any coronavirus vaccine either. I have asthma and autoimmune conditions which would make it disastrous. I will tell you though, by the time people start getting it there will likely be a spike in cases. It will be blamed not on the vaccine but on the ever-changing, mutating virus.
 
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Yup, first you need to test it on ants, and then mice, and then rabbits, and then dogs, and then monkeys, and finally human testing.

That's a very long time.

Emergency vaccine development and deployment bypass a lot of testing. Most vaccines are not properly safety tested anyway. The real test is when it's released to the public.
 
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Emergency vaccine development and deployment bypass a lot of testing. Most vaccines are not properly safety tested anyway. The real test is when it's released to the public.
You don’t feel any compunctions by spreading this unmitigated lie?
Wow.
 
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I get that it is more deadly than the flu my point was that millions of people opt not to get the flu shot every year and the government ( with a few exceptions does not have a problem with that. My point was likewise should people be REQUIRED to get this shot ( which really goes back to the fact that it is more deadly; therefore as such should it be something people should be required to protect against?
It should not be required but if it is recommended by physicians and covered by insurance, then enough people will voluntarily get the vaccine to keep future seasonal outbreaks from spreading at the rate it is now.
 
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I have never gotten a flu shot and I never will. I won't be getting any coronavirus vaccine either. I have asthma and autoimmune conditions which would make it disastrous.

This is why it's important that everyone else gets a vaccine. If enough other people get a vaccine then those with conditions preventing vaccinations are protected through herd immunity.

It's when not enough people get the vaccination that herd immunity becomes compromised and diseases can ravage a population. We've seen exactly this in measles outbreaks in recent years.
 
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Do you believe that taking it should be mandatory?

No. At this time it's clear that the virus doesn't affect children, who are too young to be vaccinated, so the only people at risk are the idiots not getting the vaccine. They want to play Russian roulette with the worst pandemic virus the world has seen in a century, then there'll be less idiots in the future. Seems like a win-win to me.
 
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