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Not knowing that my DIL would basically disown me, after Christmas I bought a doll and extra clothes, for my granddaughter. I spent a lot of money from various places. I was planning to give them to my granddaughter for her April birthday. That's coming up very soon. I always shop early for gifts. So I have other dolls and clothes for other granddaughters. I've never mistreated my grandchildren.

How do I deliver the gifts? I can't afford to mail them.
 

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I am sorry for the situation. My family is also a mess and I know it hurts. Do you know a time when nobody will be home and you can leave the gifts on the porch (if it is a safe location)?
 
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I'm also sorry for you dealing with this situation. I've actually been in the position of the DIL not having contact, but I never allowed that to be an obstacle between our daughter and her grandmother. Is your son also not in communication with you Phoebe Ann?

Have you been informed of what the reason is for your DIL not being in contact with you? Is there a person you all trust that can maybe act as a mediator to come up with a plan moving forward that all can be in agreement of (that would allow you to feel encouraged to have a healthy relationship with your granddaughter)? I know I would have appreciated something like that in our situation.

A lot like the relationship itself - you can *deliver* the gift - but the REAL question is, will it actually be *received* in love? That may need some extra steps.
 
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I'm also sorry for you dealing with this situation. I've actually been in the position of the DIL not having contact, but I never allowed that to be an obstacle between our daughter and her grandmother. Is your son also not in communication with you Phoebe Ann?

Have you been informed of what the reason is for your DIL not being in contact with you? Is there a person you all trust that can maybe act as a mediator to come up with a plan moving forward that all can be in agreement of (that would allow you to feel encouraged to have a healthy relationship with your granddaughter)? I know I would have appreciated something like that in our situation.

A lot like the relationship itself - you can *deliver* the gift - but the REAL question is, will it actually be *received* in love? That may need some extra steps.

Son and DIL are ignoring me. No, there are no mediators. They don't get along with people because once you disagree or give advice, you're more or less on permanent ignore. Their children are being deprived by no contact with me. They love me.

They attend their Orthodox church regularly, but don't follow the Bible about relationships and working things out. I can't talk to them about it because they both get angry. I sent a couple of loving emails, but the emails have been ignored.
If I take the gift over, I'm sure they won't let me see the kids. My son stays in the basement on his computer. My DIL might not come to the door. :( If I leave the gift at the front door, I can only hope neighbors don't take it. No matter what current news or health info I bring up to try to have a conversation they immediately tell me that isn't so. I never argue because I hate arguing and I know how unforgiving they can be. But I opened my mouth about my son's parenting --- I guess I didn't know how much I'm disrespected.

Ephesians 4:32
Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
 
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What may be part of the problem?
My apologies; it was posted in jest. I forgot to include the emoticon. I was alluding to the contradictions between spending a lot of money, planning, and not having enough money.

I assume the dil may have "basically disowned: you because you're no longer LDS. Yes?

As far as getting the gifts to the g-daughter, I suggest prayer. The same God Who brought you out of LDSism can provide a means of getting the gifts to your granddaughter.
 
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My apologies; it was posted in jest. I forgot to include the emoticon. I was alluding to the contradictions between spending a lot of money, planning, and not having enough money.

I assume the dil may have "basically disowned: you because you're no longer LDS. Yes?

As far as getting the gifts to the g-daughter, I suggest prayer. The same God Who brought you out of LDSism can provide a means of getting the gifts to your granddaughter.

No, I escaped that religion in time to not have my children brainwashed! DIL came from divorced parents; her father was abusive and her mother neglectful.

Thanks for your input. If the gift isn't accepted I may give it to a stranger. :(
 
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Are you acquainted with anyone they might listen to? And elder or the pastor of their church, perhaps? That could be one way of opening the door of communication.

I called their priest several weeks ago. I though he'd get back to me, but he hasn't. I'm not sure he'll talk to them.
 
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So you said something about your son's parenting (I noticed you didn't say "their parenting") and that's it? You're cut off? No chances? Will they not accept an apology with the statement that you won't cross that line again (or at least try your hardest not to)?

You may even be able to check with the clerk at the family law department at your local courthouse, because many courts are acknowledging grandparents rights (especially if there's no reason for you to be excluded from their lives).
 
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I am sorry for the situation. My family is also a mess and I know it hurts. Do you know a time when nobody will be home and you can leave the gifts on the porch (if it is a safe location)?

That was an idea I had. They rent a ground floor townhouse apartment. I don't know if the neighbors would leave it there.
 
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I'm in my seventies. .
Did you see my post about checking with your local court? If it were me, that's what I'd do. It's wrong for them to use your relationship as a way to punish you (and ultimately hurt their daughter in the process). That would ensure mediation.
 
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That was an idea I had. They rent a ground floor townhouse apartment. I don't know if the neighbors would leave it there.

Do you know if there is a landlord on site? You could maybe drop it off with them. I honestly want to give you a hug.
 
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No, I escaped that religion in time to not have my children brainwashed! DIL came from divorced parents; her father was abusive and her mother neglectful.

Thanks for your input. If the gift isn't accepted I may give it to a stranger. :(
I'm sure there is a young girl in a local fellowship whose day will be markedly changed for the better by such a gift. Keep your ears open for conversation about a pending birthday. Maybe even wrap it up so mom can't see it, but tell her what it is and tell she can give it to her daughter as if it came from her. Or watch the Sunday school classes for the family of austere means and if you have enough dolls for more than one girl...…


Sort of a modified Matthew 6:1-4.
 
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Have you looked into the cost of mailing? I send packages to the kids all the time and it's usually not that much, perhaps your church could help with the cost for mailing...

I think the most I've ever spent was 40 on a package ..
 
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That's a tough situation. Maybe save up from now till April and then mail the gifts. It's not a right way for them to act but acknowledge that you did offend them in some way, reach out and take a step to apologize for your part. Im sure it's hard to not give unwarranted advice when you see other parents making mistakes, but sometimes parents can find it quite offensive, especially in situations with in laws. Sometimes you may just have to bite your tongue and let adult children learn on their own and parent on their own unless they have asked for advice.


Most grandparents rights are limited to only situations where an adult spouse has died and the surviving spouse is separating grandkids from the deceased's parents where there was previously an established relationship. If both parents are alive and well and taking care of their children, their parental rights are in effect and they decide who their children see. It is unfortunate that a parent would use that to hurt family in their children's lives, but this is not a matter for the courts.
 
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