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So why do you believe that we do not understand the suffering that Christ endured on the cross, and not only on the cross but also in the garden of Gethsemane?
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LDS Why do Mormons really not understand the Cross?
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As I referred to---you do not understand the Significance of the Cross.
You want to be counted as Christian, but yet this and so many other things set you apart from the majority of Christianity.
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Why would I want to be part of a group that has beliefs that I don't agree with. Once saved always saved for example.
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The you are a non-Christian Religion--which pretends to follow the Bible [somewhat]
Got it.
Got it.
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And yet we see the complaints that regularly happen here on CF from you guys when you are denied the label of 'Christian'! Then it's suddenly about how we are 'so-called' Christians and such...often with the insinuation or direct accusation that we aren't LOVING enough...because you know, being LOVING is about ignoring these very real and consequential differences between Mormonism and Christianity...apparently unless Mormons themselves want to bring them up to give their religion an excuse to be at variance with Christianity!
As a group, it seems like you guys are trying to play both sides here. Peter1000, for instance, often tries to appeal to some sense of shared belief between Mormonism and Christianity, while for you it's why would a Mormon even want to be counted as a Christian?
Why don't you ask your coreligionist instead of us? I don't get it either. It seems that this confusion is not just limited to this message board, either, but is reflected in the behavior of your organization as a whole, such as when it alternates between embracing being named Mormon to rejecting it and trying to tell the world not to use that word because you're the Church of Jesus Christ (nevermind how your Jesus is not the Jesus of Christianity, and as a result of such theological errors you're not a church...I guess you guys got the "of" right...your religion is certainly a something of something)!
Which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the OP, and anyway isn't something that anyone has been talking about. Nice attempt to evade the actual topic, but it's not going to work.
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I suspect we will have to disagree on those who pretend to follow Christ:
(New Testament | John 14:21)
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
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We have gone over the hating of the cross many times here on this thread. We do not hate or worship the cross. We worship and follow the God of LOVE.
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Christians do not worship the cross either, but then we do not exclude it, like Mormons want to do.
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How would you know that verse is translated correctly?
Come now you Article of Faith says--we believe in the Holy Bible, insofar as it is translated correctly. Your Faith in God is so incomplete that you cannot trust Him to deliver you untainted Scripture.
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We have the JST to correct the scriptures that are wrong. John 14:21 is correct the way it is.
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How can you be sure it is correct? There is no way to check it, according to only the Mormon construct.
JST supersedes the Bible?---surely you jest. Seems like your god is Joseph Smith to clear things up for you, instead of the True God and His Holy Spirit.
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Just as the Bible is the word of God through His prophets so is the JST His word through His prophet Joseph Smith.
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Why does JS get his own separate tampering with what you already just recognized as His word, then? It's His word, but apparently it needs JS' creative 'edits'?
Sounds like your trust is in JS, not God.
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Seems like you trust is God is very conditional,
You already do not trust Him for His Word, except for your false scriptures. There, the trust goes to Joseph Smith
But then you do not trust God when you say you only hope to endure to the end, as if God will abandon Mormons----this might be true. So maybe you are right in your conditional trust.
A True Believer Trusts in God unconditionally.
Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;
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Of course I trust in the Lord. Having hope does not mean a person has a lack of trust as you believe. We need to have hope:
(New Testament | Acts 2:26)
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
(New Testament | Romans 5:1 - 5)
1 THEREFORE being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
(New Testament | Romans 8:24 - 25)
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
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1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
this applies to Mormons in their idea that it is foolishness.
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No one said that the cross was foolishness. That being said, which is of more worth to you, the cross or Jesus Christ? We worship Jesus Christ and belong to His church.
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We do not exclude the cross. Here are a few references:
(Book of Mormon | Jacob 1:8)
8 Wherefore, we would to God that we could persuade all men not to rebel against God, to provoke him to anger, but that all men would believe in Christ, and view his death, and suffer his cross and bear the shame of the world; wherefore, I, Jacob, take it upon me to fulfil the commandment of my brother Nephi.
(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 12:30)
30 For it is better that ye should deny yourselves of these things, wherein ye will take up your cross, than that ye should be cast into hell.
(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 27:14 - 17)
14 And my Father sent me that I might be lifted up upon the cross; and after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, that I might draw all men unto me, that as I have been lifted up by men even so should men be lifted up by the Father, to stand before me, to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil—
15 And for this cause have I been lifted up; therefore, according to the power of the Father I will draw all men unto me, that they may be judged according to their works.
16 And it shall come to pass, that whoso repenteth and is baptized in my name shall be filled; and if he endureth to the end, behold, him will I hold guiltless before my Father at that day when I shall stand to judge the world.
17 And he that endureth not unto the end, the same is he that is also hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence they can no more return, because of the justice of the Father.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 56:2)
2 And he that will not take up his cross and follow me, and keep my commandments, the same shall not be saved.
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