LDS Why do Mormons really not understand the Cross?

He is the way

Well-Known Member
Apr 17, 2018
8,103
359
Murray
✟113,072.00
Country
United States
Faith
Mormon
Marital Status
Married
Here is a curious statement:

Many of those who were beaten died from the beating.--He is the Way

When you partake of the Sacrament, are you thinking of all the others who died from their beatings? The Sacrament is all about Christ. He is the one who gives us the opportunity to be Saved---if we believe in Him.

How he shed His blood and died in His manifested body on the Cross where as He claimed this:

John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

No, you do not willingly hate the Cross, but it comes down that way in your deception.
No, we are not thinking of the others who died from the beatings, we are realizing just how sever the beating was of the Savior Jesus Christ, I believe He suffered greater pain than is humanly possible to survive. He had power over death:

(New Testament | John 10:17 - 18)

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

The topic of this thread (Why do Mormons really hate the Cross?) is a lie. We do not hate the cross.
 
Upvote 0

Jamesone5

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Aug 7, 2019
1,758
318
Basin
✟97,413.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
No, we are not thinking of the others who died from the beatings, we are realizing just how sever the beating was of the Savior Jesus Christ, I believe He suffered greater pain than is humanly possible to survive. He had power over death:

(New Testament | John 10:17 - 18)

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

The topic of this thread (Why do Mormons really hate the Cross?) is a lie. We do not hate the cross.

Uh, why then did you use that comparison to others who had been beaten? We are, by the way, talking about our individual Faiths in Christ.

I believe He suffered greater pain than is humanly possible to survive. He had power over death:---He is the Way

Where did He die?

On the Cross.

The topic of this thread (
Why do Mormons really hate the Cross?)
is a lie. We do not hate the cross.---He is the Way

So I am a liar when I first summitted the thread?

I have been around Mormons for all of my life [in and out of the Church] and there is a general avoidance of the Cross that shows me, [while they do NOT admit to hating the Cross], it works out that way in their deception.

Satan also hates the Cross, because it really can defeat His purpose to decieve.
 
Upvote 0

He is the way

Well-Known Member
Apr 17, 2018
8,103
359
Murray
✟113,072.00
Country
United States
Faith
Mormon
Marital Status
Married
Uh, why then did you use that comparison to others who had been beaten? We are, by the way, talking about our individual Faiths in Christ.

I believe He suffered greater pain than is humanly possible to survive. He had power over death:---He is the Way

Where did He die?

On the Cross.

The topic of this thread (
Why do Mormons really hate the Cross?)
is a lie. We do not hate the cross.---He is the Way

So I am a liar when I first summitted the thread?

I have been around Mormons for all of my life [in and out of the Church] and there is a general avoidance of the Cross that shows me, [while they do NOT admit to hating the Cross], it works out that way in their deception.

Satan also hates the Cross, because it really can defeat His purpose to decieve.
You said: "So I am a liar when I first summitted the thread?"

I suspect that in your mind you had already decided that members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints "hated" the cross. The truth is we do NOT "hate" the cross. However, we LOVE Jesus Christ and we do NOT worship the cross. Were you not aware of that before you made that statement?
 
Upvote 0

Jamesone5

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Aug 7, 2019
1,758
318
Basin
✟97,413.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
You said: "So I am a liar when I first summitted the thread?"

I suspect that in your mind you had already decided that members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints "hated" the cross. The truth is we do NOT "hate" the cross. However, we LOVE Jesus Christ and we do NOT worship the cross. Were you not aware of that before you made that statement?

Seems you are doing you best to dance around the question.
 
Upvote 0

He is the way

Well-Known Member
Apr 17, 2018
8,103
359
Murray
✟113,072.00
Country
United States
Faith
Mormon
Marital Status
Married
Mormons prefer the statue of their fictitious Moroni to being reminded of the cross.
(New Testament | Revelation 14:6 - 7)

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
 
Upvote 0

Jamesone5

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Aug 7, 2019
1,758
318
Basin
✟97,413.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
You believe we hate the cross, but your belief is unfounded.

So now what? You still go on eliminating Crosses from your Churches and then expect us to call your Church Christian?

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
 
Upvote 0

He is the way

Well-Known Member
Apr 17, 2018
8,103
359
Murray
✟113,072.00
Country
United States
Faith
Mormon
Marital Status
Married
So now what? You still go on eliminating Crosses from your Churches and then expect us to call your Church Christian?

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
We worship Christ, NOT the cross.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

He is the way

Well-Known Member
Apr 17, 2018
8,103
359
Murray
✟113,072.00
Country
United States
Faith
Mormon
Marital Status
Married
Uh, are you saying we do?

And what about the Mormons who say we should worship God the Father through the Son? How does that work?
You said: Uh, are you saying we do?
No, I didn't say that. I said we worship Christ and not the cross.
You said: And what about the Mormons who say we should worship God the Father through the Son? How does that work?
We worship the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
Upvote 0

Ironhold

Member
Feb 14, 2014
7,625
1,463
✟201,967.00
Faith
Mormon
Marital Status
Single
Uh, are you saying we do?

And what about the Mormons who say we should worship God the Father through the Son? How does that work?

We once had an entire thread consisting of people trying to simultaneously:

1. Tell us that our failure to display the cross in a prominent position made us "not Christian"

2. Tell us that displaying the cross didn't automatically make one Christian.

When we pushed back on what was essentially double-talk, things deteriorated rapidly.
 
Upvote 0

Jamesone5

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Aug 7, 2019
1,758
318
Basin
✟97,413.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
We once had an entire thread consisting of people trying to simultaneously:

1. Tell us that our failure to display the cross in a prominent position made us "not Christian"

2. Tell us that displaying the cross didn't automatically make one Christian.

When we pushed back on what was essentially double-talk, things deteriorated rapidly.

So take it up with them back then.
 
Upvote 0

Jamesone5

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Aug 7, 2019
1,758
318
Basin
✟97,413.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
You said: Uh, are you saying we do?
No, I didn't say that. I said we worship Christ and not the cross.
You said: And what about the Mormons who say we should worship God the Father through the Son? How does that work?
We worship the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ.

Mybe you ought to ask them>
Do you believe that displaying the cross makes you a Christian?

No but eliminating it altogether does make you a Christian.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

He is the way

Well-Known Member
Apr 17, 2018
8,103
359
Murray
✟113,072.00
Country
United States
Faith
Mormon
Marital Status
Married
Mybe you ought to ask them>


No but eliminating it altogether does make you NOT a Christian.
Ask them what? Obeying Christ makes a person a Christian:

(New Testament | John 15:14)

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:9)

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 
Upvote 0

Jamesone5

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Aug 7, 2019
1,758
318
Basin
✟97,413.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Ask them what? Obeying Christ makes a person a Christian:

(New Testament | John 15:14)

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:9)

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
And in that obeying:

Mark 10:21
Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”
 
  • Winner
Reactions: dzheremi
Upvote 0

dzheremi

Coptic Orthodox non-Egyptian
Aug 27, 2014
13,499
13,648
✟426,073.00
Country
United States
Faith
Oriental Orthodox
Marital Status
Private
We once had an entire thread consisting of people trying to simultaneously:

1. Tell us that our failure to display the cross in a prominent position made us "not Christian"

2. Tell us that displaying the cross didn't automatically make one Christian.

When we pushed back on what was essentially double-talk, things deteriorated rapidly.

For Jamesone5's and others' benefit (anyone else who wasn't there):

Several of us who have posted in this thread (me, Phoebe Ann, etc.) were also involved in that thread, and predictably, this is not really how it went down.

The source of the confusion is that Mormons apparently can't distinguish between making an argument based on the theology involved in embracing the cross (what we were actually saying, and the point that you seem to be making in the post directly above this one), and simply saying "If you don't display crosses all over the place, you are not Christians" (what nobody was saying, then or now). This distinction was emphasized several times in the other thread because they kept trying to say that we were making too big a deal out of symbolic choices, and as you can see here, they still don't get it.

Maybe this thread would be attracting less Mormon opprobrium if it were rephrased as "Why do Mormons really not understand the cross?", because that much is clear too. :D
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Jamesone5
Upvote 0

He is the way

Well-Known Member
Apr 17, 2018
8,103
359
Murray
✟113,072.00
Country
United States
Faith
Mormon
Marital Status
Married
And in that obeying:

Mark 10:21
Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”
In that scripture the cross is figurative. Jesus did not mean to carry the cross around but to be willing to follow His example:

(New Testament | 1 Peter 2:21)

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:13)

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Jamesone5

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Aug 7, 2019
1,758
318
Basin
✟97,413.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
In that scripture the cross is figurative. Jesus did not mean to carry the cross around but to be willing to follow His example:

(New Testament | 1 Peter 2:21)

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:13)

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:13)

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

where did He mostly suffer and die?

On the Cross

A Cross on a Church or inside or even around one's neck---IS figurative


But then, thank your for that verse.

And I want to say that dzhermei suggested I mis-phrased the OP and I concur.. As evidenced here, it should have been Why do Mormons really not understand the Cross?
 
Upvote 0