The Seed of Abraham

Charlie24 · Mar 9, 2020

~Cassia~ said:
I don’t believe we have any better eyesight than those who could not define the end times from the church age, forest for the trees, the valley between the mountains or the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Christ. Once I thought I did but truth is deep and not so much as wide as one might think.

1 Peter 1:11-13
inquiring about the person or time that the Spirit of Christ within them indicated when it testified in advance to the sufferings destined for Christ and the subsequent glory.
It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in regard to the things that have now been announced to you through those who brought you good news by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to look!
Therefore prepare your minds for action; discipline yourselves; set all your hope on the grace that Jesus Christ will bring you when he is revealed.

I know what you mean. We must concentrate on our faith in Christ, that it is in tact.

We can be wrong on anything or everything in prophesy, but that is not what saves us.

Our faith is all that we have and we must make sure of it through His Word.

mkgal1 · Mar 9, 2020

Charlie24 said:
That's right, I totally agree. That One Church is made of both Jew and Gentile.

Not many Jews now, but God is working it out for all of Israel.

The biblical Jews were who founded the Church.

Charlie24 · Mar 9, 2020

mkgal1 said:
The Jews were who founded the Church.

Yes, the remnant did, by the leading of the Apostles. Israel as a whole rejected Christ, as a whole I mean the religious leaders who ruled at that time (the Sanhedrin).

By population, there are very few Jews saved today, as was the case then. But that will change.

mkgal1 · Mar 9, 2020

Charlie24 said:
Yes, the remnant did, by the leading of the Apostles. Israel as a whole rejected Christ, as a whole I mean the religious leaders who ruled at that time (the Sanhedrin).

By population, there are very few Jews saved today, as was the case then. But that will change.

Now go back and read the OP The Seed of Abraham

Francis Drake · Mar 10, 2020

Charlie24 said:
Another point that I forgot is that The Church and Israel come together in the Millennium under Christ.

That is when Israel fulfills what God originally planned for them.

For a thousand years Israel will declare the Christ to the world, and the world will have to come through the Jews to get to Christ.

They will be in charge of all the sacrifices that must be made before the Lord.

The Jews will once again be respected, God has made sure of it.

Just curious, if bread and wine are sufficient to proclaim the death of Christ now, why revert to animal sacrifices in the millennium?

summerville · Mar 10, 2020

Francis Drake said:
Just curious, if bread and wine are sufficient to proclaim the death of Christ now, why revert to animal sacrifices in the millennium?

@Charlie24

Jews aren't saying they will return to animal sacrifice.. If you asked 100 Jews if the will go back to animal sacrifice 95 of them would laugh in your face.

Now , some Christian fundamentalists and Dominionists or Dispensationalists are pushing that scenario. You see how that works.

Francis Drake · Mar 10, 2020

summerville said:
@Charlie24

Jews aren't saying they will return to animal sacrifice.. If you asked 100 Jews if the will go back to animal sacrifice 95 of them would laugh in your face.

Now , some Christian fundamentalists and Dominionists or Dispensationalists are pushing that scenario. You see how that works.

Actually, that's not entirely true. Religious Jews have been desperate to restart the sacrificial system for decades and have been doing dry runs in preparation. Priests have already been consecrated and trained for it, plus they have recreated an altar, currently portable, in readiness for permission from the government.

Thanks to Trump: Pascal Lamb could be Sacrificed on Temple Mount for first Time in 2,000 Years

I suspect you are right that 95% of Jews would laugh at the idea, but that might have more to do with the fact that despite being Jews, like society in general, they are atheist or agnostic.

Nige55 · Mar 10, 2020

summerville said:
Really? The Palestinians are descended from Jewish farmers who didn't leave. They stay for nearly 2000 years to tend and repair the Roman terraces and the aqueducts.. They stayed and tended the 500 year old olive trees.

The Bible says NOT to move the boundary stones of the ancestors.

Really ? Go and tell the Palestinians that they are all descended from Jews. Make sure you run after. They are predominantly Jordanian and Egyptian in origin.

summerville · Mar 10, 2020

Nige55 said:
Really ? Go and tell the Palestinians that they are all descended from Jews. Make sure you run after. They are predominantly Jordanian and Egyptian in origin.

LOLOL.. Palestinians have always known they were descended from first century Jews... Ben Gurion also knew and said so..

They did mix with Turks, Greeks, Crusaders etc over the years so you could call them an amalgamation.. They have cousins in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt unlike the European Jews.

Israelis have just about forced the Bedouin out of the Negev and into Gaza, but lots of them practiced some Jewish traditions.

Don't you like Palestinians? I always found them to be friendly and hospitable ..

Nige55 · Mar 10, 2020

summerville said:
LOLOL.. Palestinians have always known they were descended from first century Jews... Ben Gurion also knew and said so..

They did mix with Turks, Greeks, Crusaders etc over the years so you could call them an amalgamation.. They have cousins in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt unlike the European Jews.

Israelis have just about forced the Bedouin out of the Negev and into Gaza, but lots of them practiced some Jewish traditions.

Don't you like Palestinians? I always found them to be friendly and hospitable ..

A tiny number did, and most of those keep it highly secret and have for a long, long time.
The fact that the Palestinians heap blame and venom on the Jews, - not simply the Israelis speaks volumes.

Still doesn't account for the majority, who were from surrounding areas, including Jordan and Egypt.
I've had a good few close friends who were Palestinian, and got to know a good number there. They are indeed friendly and hospitable, however the outlook of some/ many is as sad as it is self-harming.

Nige55 · Mar 10, 2020

Dave L said:
This is not true. Modern-day Israel is not biblical Israel. But God placed them where they are just as he does any nation. There are still elect among them God plans on adding to Christ (Israel) for the father's sakes.

I accept your apologies and forgive you for misrepresenting me.

Misrepresent ? Why, did you not state that Israel has stolen the land in another thread ?

Dave L · Mar 10, 2020

Nige55 said:
Misrepresent ? Why, did you not state that Israel has stolen the land in another thread ?

Quote me so I know what you are talking about.

summerville · Mar 10, 2020

Nige55 said:
A tiny number did, and most of those keep it highly secret and have for a long, long time.
The fact that the Palestinians heap blame and venom on the Jews, - not simply the Israelis speaks volumes.
Doesn't account for the majority, who were from surrounding areas, including Jordan and Egypt.
I've had a good few close friends who were Palestinian, and got to know a good number there. They are indeed friendly and hospitable, however the outlook of some/ many is as sad as it is self-harming.

Oh Jews lived in Palestine and al over the Arab world for 2000 years and they did OK until European Zionism came into the picture. The population of Palestine doubled in 15 years with non Arabic speaking Europeans who looked down on the Palestinians and considered them inferior.

This was written in July, 1920..

THAT the Jews, once a powerful tribe and perhaps almost a nation, should, after the lapse of so many centuries, cherish aspirations to become a modern nation with a country of their own, is both commendable and romantic.

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07
www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/zionism/mackay.htm

summerville · Mar 10, 2020

Nige55 said:
Misrepresent ? Why, did you not state that Israel has stolen the land in another thread ?

Of course they stole the land.. in 1948 they looted and destroyed over 300 Arab villages. In 1967 they destroyed over 65 Druze villages in the Golam Heights.. You can't sugar coat it.

Nige55 · Mar 10, 2020

summerville said:
Of course they stole the land.. in 1948 they looted and destroyed over 300 Arab villages. In 1967 they destroyed over 65 Druze villages in the Golam Heights.. You can't sugar coat it.

Let's give a little more context to this - in 1948 the Arab-Israeli war started between Israel and FIVE surrounding Arab countries, and at the end of this Gaza and the west bank were occupied and controlled by Egypt and Jordan, and it was Jordan that annexed East Jerusalem. It was a war, and violence was propagated by both sides.

The six day war was further continuation of violence, it was a war. No one is trying to sugar coat what goes on during a war. Interesting that you mention in neither examples that they were a war, simply listing on violence carried out by Israel. Mirrors fairly well much of the selective 'journalism' we get from much of the press.

None of the above constitutes stealing land, particularly when it can in no way determine the original inhabitants of that land.

Nige55 · Mar 10, 2020

summerville said:
Oh Jews lived in Palestine and al over the Arab world for 2000 years and they did OK until European Zionism came into the picture.

Oh really ? They were doing 'ok' ? They were certainly not doing ok. Tensions have always existed between the two, in part due to both holding Jerusalem as sacred. This goes back long, long before the move of Europeans to Israel.

Francis Drake · Mar 10, 2020

summerville said:
Don't you like Palestinians? I always found them to be friendly and hospitable ..

….and ready to blow you up at the first opportunity.

parousia70 · Mar 10, 2020

Charlie24 said:
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How do you reconcile the literal boundaries of the land to the 12 tribes in Ezek. 47:13-23, 48:1-35? If the temple and sacrifices are spiritual how do you explain that this to is spiritual?

If the land boundaries are literal how is the temple and sacrifices not literal.

The Same way you reconcile the Literal sacrifices for Literal atonement of Literal sin and Literal acceptance by Jesus... If the Boundaries of the land are Literal, why are the sacrifices only memorial and NOT proprietary sacrifices for Literal sin Atonement and Literal Acceptance as they are LITERALLY spelled out to be in the text??

At least my position is consistent, and backed up with Apostolic testimony... your's appears to be devoid of any NT Apostolic corroboration, and is simply Literal/Memorial cherry picked willy-nilly to support your position.

Nige55 · Mar 10, 2020

Dave L said:
Quote me so I know what you are talking about.

Found it. - Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

See posts 185, 192, 203 and particularly 197 and 212.

mkgal1 · Mar 10, 2020

Francis Drake said:
….and ready to blow you up at the first opportunity.

You've been there & met ALL Palestinians?

I realize this is a long documentary, but my hope is that people would be more informed:

This documentary explains how Zionism hurts Orthodox Christians living in Palestine.

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