Jesus and Judging Others

Al Touthentop

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Not so much.
Acts 9:26-28

You said that the apostles rejected Paul on sight. Not ever stated in the bible. Ananias did tell Jesus that Saul was persecuting the church prior to his conversion. Not by any stretch of the imagination are your claims scriptural. Jesus himself disabused Ananias of his misgivings and sent him to baptize Saul. And he did that and then later the apostles received him as a brother.
 
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Whoever has disdain for their neighbor, then, such leaders, are effectively rebuking Jesus’ second commandment and are therefore not acting in the interests of God and have no inclination nor open-mindedness that they may act in the interests of God;

they are beyond being taught or shown how to act in a godly manner.

No such luck. You are always responsible for your actions, regardless of others response.
 
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Unless scripture tells us not to judge.

What Does the Bible Say About Judge?
You're quoting Paul there.

"But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one."

Don't you need to go and delete that passage since Paul was reviled (according to you) by the other apostles?
 
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Before we throw stones, we should ask for God’s forgiveness and strive to ‘sin no more’ before being in a situation that may compel us to throw stones.

No such luck. We are not qualified to judge the sins of other people.
We are only qualified to judge our own sins.
 
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I'm just trying to understand why you have a problem with appropriate judgement inside the church.

Judging others is not what we are qualified for.
We can only judge our own view of the world.

1 Corinthians 2:15
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
 
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You're quoting Paul there.

"But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one."

Don't you need to go and delete that passage since Paul was reviled (according to you) by the other apostles?

I'm not like that. Even pedophiles can give noteworthy sermons.
Though Paul was worse.
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Judging others is not what we are qualified for.
We can only judge our own view of the world.

That's not what Paul said, nor is it what Jesus said.

Every time the word judge is used in the bible, it doesn't mean the same thing. You're quoting from a Paul-written letter to a church who he told to disassociate from unrepentant sinners. How, except through righteous judgement were they to follow those instructions?
 
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Above all, we should be mindful that we may be rightfully judged in what we judge others, so we should take care that our judgment doesn’t go astray.

That's not even close to what it says:

Romans 14:10-13
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
 
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You are like that. And you've even been stretching the truth. You want to reject Paul's writings which you don't like. That is showing partiality, something we're commanded not to do.
On so now you are reading?

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

James 4:11-12
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Romans 2:3
Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Matthew 7:1
“Judge not, that you be not judged.

Galatians 6:1
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

Romans 2:1-3
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

James 4:11
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

1 Corinthians 6:1-20
When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, ...

1 Corinthians 2:15
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

John 8:7
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

John 8:15
You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.
 
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You are like that. And you've even been stretching the truth. You want to reject Paul's writings which you don't like. That is showing partiality, something we're commanded not to do.
The spiritual person can judge our own sins in the world, but not that of others.

1 Corinthians 2:15
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
 
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The spiritual person can judge our own sins in the world, but not that of others.

1 Corinthians 2:15
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
<Inigo Montoya>
You keep ona using that verse. I do not think it means what you think it means.
</Inigo Montoya>
 
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In the Lord's Prayer it says we will be forgiven as we forgive others. I personally need to not judge others (of course, judging actions is needed so you don't do the same thing) in order to really be able to forgive others (it's not easy for me at all, to really forgive).
 
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I personally need to not judge others.... in order to really be able to forgive others

Whenever something occurs, the only ones who really know what happened are the perpetrators and sometimes the victims. Everyone else has no idea what occurred but are quick to offer their opinions, often spinning a simple incident out of control. T'is better to not add fuel to a fire that is not ours. Forgiveness often involves minding our own business (take note news pundits/editors and social media wannabees)
 
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