The 10 Horns of Revelation 17:12-14

Davy said:

ANY kind of inference that the idea of God's prophets in The Bible is like "gypsy fortunetellers" is essentially blasphemy against God's Word and particularly The Holy Spirit...

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
KJV

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They were saying God's prophets were NOT like gypsy fortunetellers.

God bless this place for trying to be so positive, but I really wish there was a downvote option :1

theoneandonlypencil said:

They were saying God's prophets were NOT like gypsy fortunetellers.

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You need to read what summerville actually said more carefully...

summerville said:
"It might be helpful to study up on what a prophet did. There were schools for prophets all over Palestine from the time of Samuel. They were like news analysts... keen observers who watched the course of events carefully.. and they were the conscience of the community. So, typically they scold the Jews saying if you don't shape up, this will happen. They weren't like gypsy fortunetellers. They weren't magical or supernatural."

The above wreaks wholly of a human secularist idea, i.e., that God's prophets did not receive Bible prophecy from God Himself, which is a supernatural means, but instead they got prophecy from their 'own' observations of events.

theoneandonlypencil said:

God bless this place for trying to be so positive, but I really wish there was a downvote option :1

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And I wish there were a cut off button for the false prophets that come here preaching against God's Holy Writ.

Davy said:

You need to read what summerville actually said more carefully...

summerville said:
"It might be helpful to study up on what a prophet did. There were schools for prophets all over Palestine from the time of Samuel. They were like news analysts... keen observers who watched the course of events carefully.. and they were the conscience of the community. So, typically they scold the Jews saying if you don't shape up, this will happen. They weren't like gypsy fortunetellers. They weren't magical or supernatural."

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You literally just quoted summerville saying 'They weren't like gypsy fortunetellers. They weren't magical or supernatural'. Once can argue the semantics behind 'magical or supernatural', but I do not associate God with the supernatural--I.E. things of divination, demons and ghosties. He created us, our reality, and everything in it; that by default makes it 'natural'. God is omniscient, omnipresent and sovereign--that does not equate Him to being a mysterious, confusion-breeding enigmatic phenomenon.

Davy said:

The above wreaks wholly of a human secularist idea, i.e., that God's prophets did not receive Bible prophecy from God Himself, which is a supernatural means, but instead they got prophecy from their 'own' observations of events.

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Pretty sure it means that some prophets back then simply read scripture and lead others based on God's already-spoken word...similar to what we do now. I don't think Summer is making a point that God absolutely did not ever communicate with people personally. And at that, the 'news analyst' was just a clever analogy to illustrate a point...it's not meant to be taken seriously.

You know what REALLY reeks of a human, manmade idea? Ignoring history in the world that God made in favor of mainstream ideas that help people stay stagnant and believe whatever the higher-ups tell them.

Davy said:

And I wish there were a cut off button for the false prophets that come here preaching against God's Holy Writ.

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**Edited: Words eaten. Didn't understand what 'writ' was after never hearing the word before.**

summerville said:

1. Isaiah 17:1 Damascus Will Be Destroyed.
2. Isaiah 19:5 The Nile Will Dry Up.
3. Jeremiah 50:39 Babylon will be uninhabited.
4. Ezekiel 29:1-16 a desolation of Egypt is foretold.

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summerville said:

Or they were sensitive and insightful.... Keen observers and holy men.. the conscience of the community.

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That response asserts your Secularist meaning of a prophet as I have already shown; i.e., that you do not believe God gave His Word, supernaturally, to His chosen prophets, but that they got the written prophecies by themselves through their 'own' observations. Doing that is to deny Who gave us God's Holy Writ, and I quoted 2 Peter 2:20-21 for that reason, to show how you are in essence denying the Source of God's Holy Writ.

Davy said:

That response asserts your Secularist meaning of a prophet as I have already shown; i.e., that you do not believe God gave His Word, supernaturally, to His chosen prophets, but that they got the written prophecies by themselves through their 'own' observations. Doing that is to deny Who gave us God's Holy Writ, and I quoted 2 Peter 2:20-21 for that reason, to show how you are in essence denying the Source of God's Holy Writ.

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Do modern pastors not teach on behalf of their own 'observations' of God's word, without supernatural intervention? If not, maybe you'd like to take a crack at explaining why the church is shattered into so many little pieces what with the different doctrines and even different biblical canons. I'm sure you could even make it onto the national news if you can tell us which one is really the 'true' church :^D

theoneandonlypencil said:

Perhaps the cut off should be for those who have been unknowingly calling God's holy word 'God's holy writ'.

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Maybe for those who don't know 'God's Holy Writ' means exactly that, His Word given to His chosen that WROTE IT DOWN for those of us who believe on Him and His Son. God's written Word is The Word of God.

Or don't you understand that Apostle Peter was talking about written Scripture here?

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
KJV

The idea that the written Scriptures (The Bible) was NOT given from GOD by The Holy Spirit definitely is a SECULARIST idea!

theoneandonlypencil said:

Do modern pastors not teach on behalf of their own 'observations' of God's word, without supernatural intervention? If not, maybe you'd like to take a crack at explaining why the church is shattered into so many little pieces what with the different doctrines and even different biblical canons. I'm sure you could even make it onto the national news if you can tell us which one is really the 'true' church :^D

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No, modern pastors that say God told them where to buy a car, and or what soap to use, are NOT speaking by inspiration via The Holy Spirit.

Davy said:

Maybe for those who don't know 'God's Holy Writ' means exactly that, His Word given to His chosen that WROTE IT DOWN for those of us who believe on Him and His Son. God's written Word is The Word of God.

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LOL okay, I'll eat my words on that one. Just looked it up; never in my life heard the scriptures being referred to as 'writ' in all of the theology discussions I've read and listened to.

Davy said:

Or don't you understand that Apostle Peter was talking about written Scripture here?

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
KJV

The idea that the written Scriptures (The Bible) was NOT given from GOD by The Holy Spirit definitely is a SECULARIST idea!

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I'm pretty sure I already said the Prophets could've also been using Scripture as basis for their warnings; so, not the point.

theoneandonlypencil said:

I'm pretty sure I already said the Prophets could've also been using Scripture as basis for their warnings; so, not the point.

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Not on every matter. There's plenty enough Bible examples of a prophecy specifically given by God directly to one of His prophets for the particular generation they lived, even within a certain timeframe within their generation. If I have to take time to post those examples for you, it's easier to just say, read your Bible.

summerville said:

Holy Writ is defined as the sacred writings of any religion.

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Information absorbed. I still prefer Holy Word/Holy Scripture; it just sounds more identifiable as Christian, imo.

Davy said:

Not on every matter. There's plenty enough Bible examples of a prophecy specifically given by God directly to one of His prophets for the particular generation they lived, even within a certain timeframe within their generation. If I have to take time to post those examples for you, it's easier to just say, read your Bible.

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Did you miss the part earlier where I said direct revelation also likely happened, or are you purposefully leaving that part out like you cut off summerville's post? Either way, it seems kind of scummy.

summerville said:

Its dirty pool to leave off the rest of what I wrote.

Have you ever seen religious hysteria first hand? I have. It has NOTHING to do with God or Jesus.

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I don't think it was dirty pool at all, because you obviously said something in your very first paragraph that you need to consider how you got that idea (if you now consider you didn't really mean it.)