Adventist end time beliefs?

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LOL! Interesting what people come up with. All the laws and the words of Mosses were written at the time of Mosses. The Jews were mostly a verbal tradition before that.

The Pentateuch was written about 800-900 years after the death of Moses. Verbal traditions are fine, but like the children's game of whisper down the lane tend to become distorted over time.

The purpose of the Pentateuch was to reinforce the theme of God's love and forgiveness and redemption. The stories were never intended as history or science. They are teaching narratives and morality tales. That's where their "truth" comes into focus and the importance of the message.
 
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Do you think you would be sinning if you did?
Not something that has to be done. Unless you are caught out traveling and have no choice, but that can usually be planned ahead. There might be a medical emergency when it is needed. I do go to parties at restaurants on Sabbath either---my friends all knew that, so we would go on other days.
It isn't a tortuous ordeal in the least. I look forward to Sabbath, even though I no longer work. I stay away from other things on the computer instead, for instance. You guys make it seem like torture---it isn't. It is joyful---very peaceful time with the Lord.
 
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Not something that has to be done. Unless you are caught out traveling and have no choice, but that can usually be planned ahead. There might be a medical emergency when it is needed. I do go to parties at restaurants on Sabbath either---my friends all knew that, so we would go on other days.
Paul says even if something isn't sinning, it becomes sinning if you think it is. Because whatever is not of faith is sin.
 
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The Pentateuch was written about 800-900 years after the death of Moses. Verbal traditions are fine, but like the children's game of whisper down the lane tend to become distorted over time.

The purpose of the Pentateuch was to reinforce the theme of God's love and forgiveness and redemption. The stories were never intended as history or science. They are teaching narratives and morality tales. That's where their "truth" comes into focus and the importance of the message.

I totally disagree.
 
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I disagree. The Two Great Commandments written in the heart send all to hell but the born-again.
The two are not enough to regenerate the inherited total depravity of human nature. They would have been for Adam and Eve before the fall. And, again, anyone who has witnessed the growth of new converts knows that the magic wand doesn't exist. This is what caused John Bunyan to reject the Sabbath and even write a book about it. The two precede and succeed the ten. If the two were obeyed by Adam and Eve, the ten would not have been needed in written form or itemized. And if the ten were not "improved upon" by Israel, there would have been no need for Christ to emphasize the two. Sin creates confusion (like the Tower of Babel and the wine of Babylon In Rev 18 (false or "confusing" doctrine) and, actually, a form of insanity.
 
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The two are not enough to regenerate the inherited total depravity of human nature. They would have been for Adam and Eve before the fall. And, again, anyone who has witnessed the growth of new converts knows that the magic wand doesn't exist. This is what caused John Bunyan to reject the Sabbath and even write a book about it. The two precede and succeed the ten. If the two were obeyed by Adam and Eve, the ten would not have been needed in written form or itemized. And if the ten were not "improved upon" by Israel, there would have been no need for Christ to emphasize the two. Sin creates confusion (like the Tower of Babel and the wine of Babylon In Rev 18 (false or "confusing" doctrine) and, actually, a form of insanity.
The Ten didn't exist until Sinai.
 
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Yes. That's why I believe the bible. I don't believe it's supoerstition. Apparently you do.
Nobody mentions keeping the Sabbath in the New Covenant. If anything it is sin to do so because you need to do the whole law including the animal sacrifices.
 
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The Ten didn't exist until Sinai.

The 4th was instituted at creation. Cain could not have sinned by killing Abel if there was no law against it---Joseph could not call adultery sin if he didn't know it was sin. Where there is no law there is no sin. If there is no sin, there is no need of a savior.
 
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The 4th was instituted at creation. Cain could not have sinned by killing Abel if there was no law against it---Joseph could not call adultery sin if he didn't know it was sin. Where there is no law there is no sin. If there is no sin, there is no need of a savior.
““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)
 
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I totally disagree.

Obviously you disagree.

The worldwide flood described in Genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier Mesopotamian flood narratives. Note that this does not mean all of the claims made in the Bible are false (or true for that matter); I am dealing here only with the biblical stories of the flood. (Also understand that the "slippery slope" claim of "all of the Bible is true or none of it is true" is simply an unnecessary rhetorical device designed to keep readers from doing precisely what scholars do every day: analyze each claim in the Bible on a case-by-case basis. It is not necessary to accept an "all or none" stance towards the Bible.)

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hese flood stories appear to have been transmitted to the Israelites early in Israel's history. Contact between the Assyrians and the Israelites is known from the conquest of Israel and its capitol, Samaria, in 721 BCE by Assyrian King Shalmaneser V (727-722 BCE),[8] and from the attempted conquest of Jerusalem by the Assyrian King Sennacherib (704-681 BCE).

These stories were apparently modified to conform to a monotheistic faith, but retained characteristics such as the destruction of nearly all living things via a flood, the salvation of a select few people and animals by the construction of a boat, and the regret of the deity for the flood, prompting a promise not to do so again. Thus, like many of the early stories in Israel's primordial history, the flood story appears to be an adaptation and integration of a previously known myth into the theology of Israel.

Most scholars will point out that the biblical flood story is actually two flood epics intertwined into one.

However, unlike the two biblical creation stories (Genesis 1:1-2:4a and Genesis 2:4b-25), which were set one after the other in the Hebrew Bible, the two original flood stories appear to have been edited into a single narrative.

The combined story preserves vestigial indicators that the account was originally two separate narratives. For example, Genesis 6:19-20 states that there were to be one pair of each species of animal on the ark, one male and one female:

And of every living thing, of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every kind shall come in to you, to keep them alive.

The Bible and Interpretation - Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood
 
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Nobody mentions keeping the Sabbath in the New Covenant. If anything it is sin to do so because you need to do the whole law including the animal sacrifices.

I've posted the 4th several times---it says nothing about animal sacrifices. Those are the laws nailed to the cross. They were never permanent, that's why they were written by Mosses on parchment and set outside the ark. Jesus became the sacrificial Lamb. There was an explosion of contention when it was stated that circumcision was no longer needed----there would have been war if anyone had said the Sabbath was done away with. Nobody said it. Nobody fought about it because everybody still kept it. There were no changes to it so nothing to have a conference over. If Jesus had changed it in any way He would have said so---He had forty days after His resurrection to say so and never did.
 
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I've posted the 4th several times---it says nothing about animal sacrifices. Those are the laws nailed to the cross. They were never permanent, that's why they were written by Mosses on parchment and set outside the ark. Jesus became the sacrificial Lamb. There was an explosion of contention when it was stated that circumcision was no longer needed----there would have been war if anyone had said the Sabbath was done away with. Nobody said it. Nobody fought about it because everybody still kept it. There were no changes to it so nothing to have a conference over. If Jesus had changed it in any way He would have said so---He had forty days after His resurrection to say so and never did.
The whole law stands or falls together.
 
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The whole law stands or falls together.

God didn't think so----He made them different and stored them differently. That is your opinion. If the 10 are done away with--- there is no sin and if there is no sin, no savior is needed.
 
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