LDS Mormon Teachings About Hell

He is the way · Mar 3, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
As to the JST being of private interpretation---I guess we will all have to wait until Jesus comes and settles the matter. But I find that Mormons [could care less whether you only refer to it as a nickname]----they do not trust Christ when He says:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

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This verse is in reference to His Word in the Holy Bible. How can you have Faith in a Christ that you do not trust Him, as to His Word?

Psalm 18:30
As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him.

And

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

And then you claim this:
I believe in the words of Jesus Christ----He is the Way

So you can go on NOT trusting God or trusting Him conditionally
as to His Word. For me--- trust in God is very vital in my Faith in Him.

As to all the hype about Joseph Smith and how long it took him to translate the BoM---it is just that. Just more hype that is not to be taken seriously as he IS a false prophet. In true discernment, you let God help you realize that at the very first. It is really basic---you Mormons are going to try to make him look as good as possible and cause questions in the undiscerning.

The historians you refer to that agree on how long it took---are just Mormon historians. No credible non-Mormon historian would ever agree to that spurious bit of historical hype. By the way, one source on your own Church's website says it took 85 days--so who do the undiscerning believe in this bit of nonsense?

I do indeed trust the Lord and His servants the prophets. I know that the gospel of Jesus Christ is the gospel of LOVE. Any gospel that is NOT the gospel of LOVE is another gospel. Jesus LOVES those who obey Him and keep His commandments of LOVE.

There is a difference between working days and calendar days. Joseph Smith dictated the Book of Mormon in 65 working days or 65 days during which he was dictating the book.

Jamesone5 · Mar 4, 2020

He is the way said:
I do indeed trust the Lord and His servants the prophets. I know that the gospel of Jesus Christ is the gospel of LOVE. Any gospel that is NOT the gospel of LOVE is another gospel. Jesus LOVES those who obey Him and keep His commandments of LOVE.

There is a difference between working days and calendar days. Joseph Smith dictated the Book of Mormon in 65 working days or 65 days during which he was dictating the book.

Yet one false prophet in Joseph Smith takes away your trust in God, Who obviously [to Mormons] cannot be trusted with His Word. Literally millions upon millions have trusted in God's Word, written by the prophets [btw] and you Mormons come along and think their false prophet has the right to change it. These Millions of Christian believers have not stumbled upon these pretend contradictions, but Mormons want to rewrite the Bible to their prophet's liking. Also there is the matter of the True Holy Spirt which we are told will bring us to all truth.

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come

Once again you do not do this:

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

I am curious as to this obey Christ--in your interpretation. Do you decide what you are to do to obey Him or does the Holy Spirit prompt you to do things outside your normal obedience? Do you spiritually sense that someone needs a word of encouragement or even a smile to make their day? Have you ever taken time out of your busy day for an encounter with someone who desperately need Love, even though their façade might otherwise indicate all is fine in their life? You do not know what people need unless the Holy Spirit prompts you to do something for even a stranger. We, with the True Holy Spirit, can realize obedience is far more that just being good by our own measurement.

There is a difference between working days and calendar days. Joseph Smith dictated the Book of Mormon in 65 working days or 65 days during which he was dictating the book--He is the Way

Who said anything about it being calendar days or working days? Here above you claim the same thing in both cases---65 days.

It is really simple and very basic--since you must believe he is a true prophet, you are going to do and say anthing to put him into a better light----even though you personally do not know the so-called facts.

He is the way · Mar 4, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Yet one false prophet in Joseph Smith takes away your trust in God, Who obviously [to Mormons] cannot be trusted with His Word. Literally millions upon millions have trusted in God's Word, written by the prophets [btw] and you Mormons come along and think their false prophet has the right to change it. These Millions of Christian believers have not stumbled upon these pretend contradictions, but Mormons want to rewrite the Bible to their prophet's liking. Also there is the matter of the True Holy Spirt which we are told will bring us to all truth.

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come

Once again you do not do this:

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

I am curious as to this obey Christ--in your interpretation. Do you decide what you are to do to obey Him or does the Holy Spirit prompt you to do things outside your normal obedience? Do you spiritually sense that someone needs a word of encouragement or even a smile to make their day? Have you ever taken time out of your busy day for an encounter with someone who desperately need Love, even though their façade might otherwise indicate all is fine in their life? You do not know what people need unless the Holy Spirit prompts you to do something for even a stranger. We, with the True Holy Spirit, can realize obedience is far more that just being good by our own measurement.

There is a difference between working days and calendar days. Joseph Smith dictated the Book of Mormon in 65 working days or 65 days during which he was dictating the book--He is the Way

Who said anything about it being calendar days or working days? Here above you claim the same thing in both cases---65 days.

It is really simple and very basic--since you must believe he is a true prophet, you are going to do and say anthing to put him into a better light----even though you personally do not know the so-called facts.

Yes we do listen to the Holy Spirit to guide us. My wife and I visited 6 families yesterday and have visited many families this month. Quite a few of them are not members of our church. We give tithes and offerings to the Lord to support the needy. We also give of our time and try our best to keep the commandments of LOVE. As far as I know The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is the most charitable church on the earth.

Jamesone5 · Mar 4, 2020

Uh no, there is no way you can adequately assess that most charitable thing. See, true Christian do not feel a need to count up our charitable giving---we do not have to prove our works, in a sense.

Matthew 6:3
But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

See, you already admit to the difference in the Holy Spirit. A true Believer obeys Christ and it is always amazing where Christ takes us and who we are to help in some way. And--- it makes no difference if they are members of our church or any church, for the matter.

He is the way · Mar 4, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Uh no, there is no way you can adequately assess that most charitable thing. See, true Christian do not feel a need to count up our charitable giving---we do not have to prove our works, in a sense.

Matthew 6:3
But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

See, you already admit to the difference in the Holy Spirit. A true Believer obeys Christ and it is always amazing where Christ takes us and who we are to help in some way. And--- it makes no difference if they are members of our church or any church, for the matter.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

(New Testament | Matthew 7:16 - 20)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Jamesone5 · Mar 4, 2020

He is the way said:
(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

(New Testament | Matthew 7:16 - 20)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Matthew 6:2 (NKJV)
2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

We were referring to a charitable deed

Uh no, there is no way you can adequately assess that most charitable thing.--jamesone5

Trouble is you do not know what charity entails.

He is the way · Mar 4, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Matthew 6:2 (NKJV)
2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

We were referring to a charitable deed

Uh no, there is no way you can adequately assess that most charitable thing.--jamesone5

Trouble is you do not know what charity entails.

I believe I know what charity entails:

(New Testament | Mark 12:29 - 31)

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Jamesone5 · Mar 5, 2020

He is the way said:
I believe I know what charity entails:

(New Testament | Mark 12:29 - 31)

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Matthew 6:3
But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing

He is the way · Mar 5, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Matthew 6:3
But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing

The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints as a whole, not individually, is indeed a people of charity and good fruits.

"Minnesota is the most charitable state in America, according to the report. Utah, Maryland, Oregon and Ohio round out the top five states.

Minnesota tied with Utah for the highest volunteer rate, and Utah took the No. 1 spot for the percentage of residents who donate their time and money."

From: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2019-12-10/the-most-charitable-states-in-america

(New Testament | Matthew 7:20)

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jamesone5 · Mar 5, 2020

He is the way said:
The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints as a whole, not individually, is indeed a people of charity and good fruits.

"Minnesota is the most charitable state in America, according to the report. Utah, Maryland, Oregon and Ohio round out the top five states.

Minnesota tied with Utah for the highest volunteer rate, and Utah took the No. 1 spot for the percentage of residents who donate their time and money."

From: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2019-12-10/the-most-charitable-states-in-america

(New Testament | Matthew 7:20)

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Uh,you are a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints--are you not?

So as a Member, you can also claim false bragging rights of something you cannot prove.

Matthew 6:3
But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing

True Christian do charitable deeds all the time through Christ, but as the verse above says, they do not count those charitable deeds. Why would we want to be a hypocrite?

Matthew 6:2 (NKJV)
2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

He is the way · Mar 5, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Uh,you are a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints--are you not?

So as a Member, you can also claim false bragging rights of something you cannot prove.

Matthew 6:3
But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing

True Christian do charitable deeds all the time through Christ, but as the verse above says, they do not count those charitable deeds. Why would we want to be a hypocrite?

Matthew 6:2 (NKJV)
2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

I was not mentioning personal deeds. I was showing that members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints are indeed fruitful and therefore:
(New Testament | Matthew 7:20)

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Jamesone5 · Mar 5, 2020

He is the way said:
I was not mentioning personal deeds. I was showing that members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints are indeed fruitful and therefore:
(New Testament | Matthew 7:20)

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

No, you and your church are trying to sound like a trumpet to falsely prove you give more than any other Church.

Matthew 6:2 (NKJV)
2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

True Christians do not try to brag about what they give.

We Love {Him] because He first loved us---1 John 4:19

He is the way · Mar 5, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
No, you and your church are trying to sound like a trumpet to falsely prove you give more than any other Church.

Matthew 6:2 (NKJV)
2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

True Christians do not try to brag about what they give.

We Love {Him] because He first loved us---1 John 4:19

It is to glorify God:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jamesone5 · Mar 6, 2020

He is the way said:
It is to glorify God:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

As you claim---but this verse did not say let your Church so shine before men or membership in your particular church---it's about the light YOU should be shining before men.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

He is the way · Mar 6, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
As you claim---but this verse did not say let your Church so shine before men or membership in your particular church---it's about the light YOU should be shining before men.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

And what is that light, it is the light of Christ:
(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 4:1 - 9)

1 THEREFORE seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

Jamesone5 · Mar 6, 2020

He is the way said:
And what is that light, it is the light of Christ:
(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 4:1 - 9)

1 THEREFORE seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

You are way off in the "weeds" at this point:

First you are relying on your Church, which you falsely claim gives more than any other Church---supposedly meaning you as member give more. Human nature will rely on that factor and cause one to claim they are doing more than they truly are.

You Mormons want to be considered Christian, but here is an example of where you set yourself apart from the rest of Christianity. Christian churches do not generally compare themselves to others--based on the amount they claim they or their members give.

Proverbs 25:14
Whoever falsely boasts of giving Is like clouds and wind without rain.

Being as clouds and wind without rain is what the LDS Church is doing.

He is the way · Mar 6, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
You are way off in the "weeds" at this point:

First you are relying on your Church, which you falsely claim gives more than any other Church---supposedly meaning you as member give more. Human nature will rely on that factor and cause one to claim they are doing more than they truly are.

You Mormons want to be considered Christian, but here is an example of where you set yourself apart from the rest of Christianity. Christian churches do not generally compare themselves to others--based on the amount they claim they or their members give.

Proverbs 25:14
Whoever falsely boasts of giving Is like clouds and wind without rain.

Being as clouds and wind without rain is what the LDS Church is doing.

We bring people to Christ by teaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ which is the gospel of LOVE through obedience and LOVING Jesus Christ through keeping the commandments of LOVE. God is LOVE and He expects us to keep those commandments. Those who do not preach keeping the commandments are not of Christ. Members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints have fruits of charity, kindness, LOVE, humility, chastity, and helping and caring for others.

(Pearl of Great Price | Articles of Faith 1:13)

13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

"Topping all others states in 2017, as it has done for the past two years, is Utah. With an overall score of 76.9, the state ranked seventh in the category of volunteering and service, and first in charitable giving. Utah has the highest volunteer rate, the highest percentage of population that donates time, and is tied for first place for giving away the most money and having the largest portion of its population that make donations."

From: The Most And Least Charitable States In The U.S. In 2017

Jamesone5 · Mar 6, 2020

Now you are back to posting Mormon scripture to somehow prove your point--whatever that is.

He is the way · Mar 6, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Now you are back to posting Mormon scripture to somehow prove your point--whatever that is.

That is our doctrine so tell me what is wrong with it.

Jamesone5 · Mar 7, 2020

He is the way said:
That is our doctrine so tell me what is wrong with it.

False Scripture written by a false prophet. Have you not been paying attention? Trust in God as there is no need to clear things up with His Only Word.

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