“That I May Know Him”

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“In the knowledge of Him” (Eph 1:17). We will not learn truth in reality except in the deepening knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ (4:17). It is the lack of this which is the cause of weakness and immaturity among believers; knowing bare doctrine is not abiding in the Lord Jesus. When the flower is separated from that which is its source, its substance and support, it becomes a dying (weakening but never perishing—NC) flower from that time. We have that which is lovely and full of blessings in Him; but if we are to know it as such, to prove its truth, to enjoy it increasingly, it must be taking these things as in union with Him (realizing “life and godliness” - 2Pe 1:3 – in its fullness is ever applied within the believer’s soul since rebirth in order to also apply them in his understanding and walk—NC).

Let me look upon the Lord Jesus and I see there the very life my Father has given me. Who would dare to say, it is presumption for Him to have life? Nay, but it is what is due Him. The Father loves and delight in Him as man so well, that He could not keep back a single thing that He has made for Him. He is heir of it all; and we, hidden in Him, can enter into the fullness “of His calling” (Eph 1:18), and into the inheritance, because we merge in union with the Son if His love.

The Father has given His Son the supreme seat of glory. No matter what could be conceived of the highest angel or archangel, the Lord Jesus has received a higher dignity, and this place He holds in present association with us while we are here. It is One who not only owns us and loves us, and uses the greatness of His glory for our good, but far more. The sovereign that is exalted to the throne can use that throne for the glory of those whom he desires to honor; but there is no positive, personal association with him. This is what the Christian has in the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing less than to be one with Him is what we have and are (one with Him in the eternal position of son-ship with the Father, but not in His eternal sovereign deity—NC).

This blessed One, under whose feet the Father has put everything, He has also been given “to be Head over all things to the Church. It is not said, “head over the church,” but “Head over all things to the Church” (Eph 1:22). The Church shares His position of headship over all as His Body, but still in inseparable union with Him. The glorified Man has universal exaltation over all the creatures of God; and this He shares with us, and will soon manifest as our portion with Him.

The believer is now a member of the Lord Jesus’ Body; now, therefore, by the Holy Spirit, in the most intimate association with Him, not only as having life in Him, but as enjoying oneness with Him who is the supreme exalted Head over all. He is a member of His Body, and although it was not to Eve directly that God gave dominion, yet she did share it by His will. It was given to Adam, but by association Eve had it too.

So the Church has dominion as the dependent and associated Eve of the heavenly Man, the Last Adam. This gives us at one a bright view of what our calling is, and why our Father looks for complete separation from the world. We belong to the Lord Jesus, and the Father would have our hearts lifted above all this present scene. “Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye did, and your life is hidden with Christ in God” (Col 3:2, 3).

As Son of God the Lord Jesus, of course, requires nothing to complete His glory; but as man He does. He would no more be complete in His ascension-glory without the Church, than Adam would have been without Eve. The Father meant, from all eternity, that when His Son became this blessed, glorified man, He should share for His own honor and praise all the glory He had as the ascended man, with those who were by nature poor, dead sinners, but now delivered from their sins, and made one with Him in glory. By the Spirit and the Word now given He communicates the knowledge of it to us while in this world, that we might be in spirit and ways entirely above it all.

— Wm Kelly (1821 – 1906)



MJS devotional excerpt for March 4:

“We must remember that our death to sin was once for all accomplished at the Cross. There the believer shared the death of the Lord Jesus; for when he became a believer, the life he received was life in Christ, that is, life out of death, resurrection life, ‘newness of life’; and the relation to sin and the law which Christ had, became those of the believer! Our experience of it all is simply the entering by faith into what has already happened at the Cross.” – William R Newell (1868-1956)
None But The Hungry Heart
 
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“In the knowledge of Him” (Eph 1:17). We will not learn truth in reality except in the deepening knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ (4:17). It is the lack of this which is the cause of weakness and immaturity among believers; knowing bare doctrine is not abiding in the Lord Jesus. When the flower is separated from that which is its source, its substance and support, it becomes a dying (weakening but never perishing—NC) flower from that time. We have that which is lovely and full of blessings in Him; but if we are to know it as such, to prove its truth, to enjoy it increasingly, it must be taking these things as in union with Him (realizing “life and godliness” - 2Pe 1:3 – in its fullness is ever applied within the believer’s soul since rebirth in order to also apply them in his understanding and walk—NC).

Let me look upon the Lord Jesus and I see there the very life my Father has given me. Who would dare to say, it is presumption for Him to have life? Nay, but it is what is due Him. The Father loves and delight in Him as man so well, that He could not keep back a single thing that He has made for Him. He is heir of it all; and we, hidden in Him, can enter into the fullness “of His calling” (Eph 1:18), and into the inheritance, because we merge in union with the Son if His love.

The Father has given His Son the supreme seat of glory. No matter what could be conceived of the highest angel or archangel, the Lord Jesus has received a higher dignity, and this place He holds in present association with us while we are here. It is One who not only owns us and loves us, and uses the greatness of His glory for our good, but far more. The sovereign that is exalted to the throne can use that throne for the glory of those whom he desires to honor; but there is no positive, personal association with him. This is what the Christian has in the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing less than to be one with Him is what we have and are (one with Him in the eternal position of son-ship with the Father, but not in His eternal sovereign deity—NC).

This blessed One, under whose feet the Father has put everything, He has also been given “to be Head over all things to the Church. It is not said, “head over the church,” but “Head over all things to the Church” (Eph 1:22). The Church shares His position of headship over all as His Body, but still in inseparable union with Him. The glorified Man has universal exaltation over all the creatures of God; and this He shares with us, and will soon manifest as our portion with Him.

The believer is now a member of the Lord Jesus’ Body; now, therefore, by the Holy Spirit, in the most intimate association with Him, not only as having life in Him, but as enjoying oneness with Him who is the supreme exalted Head over all. He is a member of His Body, and although it was not to Eve directly that God gave dominion, yet she did share it by His will. It was given to Adam, but by association Eve had it too.

So the Church has dominion as the dependent and associated Eve of the heavenly Man, the Last Adam. This gives us at one a bright view of what our calling is, and why our Father looks for complete separation from the world. We belong to the Lord Jesus, and the Father would have our hearts lifted above all this present scene. “Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye did, and your life is hidden with Christ in God” (Col 3:2, 3).

As Son of God the Lord Jesus, of course, requires nothing to complete His glory; but as man He does. He would no more be complete in His ascension-glory without the Church, than Adam would have been without Eve. The Father meant, from all eternity, that when His Son became this blessed, glorified man, He should share for His own honor and praise all the glory He had as the ascended man, with those who were by nature poor, dead sinners, but now delivered from their sins, and made one with Him in glory. By the Spirit and the Word now given He communicates the knowledge of it to us while in this world, that we might be in spirit and ways entirely above it all.

— Wm Kelly (1821 – 1906)



MJS devotional excerpt for March 4:

“We must remember that our death to sin was once for all accomplished at the Cross. There the believer shared the death of the Lord Jesus; for when he became a believer, the life he received was life in Christ, that is, life out of death, resurrection life, ‘newness of life’; and the relation to sin and the law which Christ had, became those of the believer! Our experience of it all is simply the entering by faith into what has already happened at the Cross.” – William R Newell (1868-1956)
None But The Hungry Heart

What Church do you propose is the Church of Jesus Christ? The one referenced here: "The Church shares His position of headship over all as His Body, but still in inseparable union with Him."
Do you believe honestly that the myriad of disagreeing groups of Christians all belong to this One Church? How can these groups be said to be a "Church" (singular) when there mere existence proves that they disagree with one another to the extent that they do not worship together, don't agree as to what age one may be Baptized, genuine disagreement on what is even taking place when one is baptized, disagreeing on the humanity of Christ, disagreeing on the Deity of Christ, disagreeing on the Eucharist, or what some protestants call the Lords Table or communion, even disagreeing on Saturday or Sunday worship, nor do they profess the same complete faith as one another??
 
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What Church do you propose is the Church of Jesus Christ? The one referenced here: "The Church shares His position of headship over all as His Body, but still in inseparable union with Him."
Do you believe honestly that the myriad of disagreeing groups of Christians all belong to this One Church? How can these groups be said to be a "Church" (singular) when there mere existence proves that they disagree with one another to the extent that they do not worship together, don't agree as to what age one may be Baptized, genuine disagreement on what is even taking place when one is baptized, disagreeing on the humanity of Christ, disagreeing on the Deity of Christ, disagreeing on the Eucharist, or what some protestants call the Lords Table or communion, even disagreeing on Saturday or Sunday worship, nor do they profess the same complete faith as one another??
Hi and appreciate your reply and comments! It's my understanding that those of who profess to be a Christian are of one of three groups: Those who knowingly profess falsely, whom will eventually cease; those who genuinely profess but ignorantly and will eventually understand; and those who profess with understanding, who have come out of ignorance beyond the time it takes to learn to "grow up into Him in all things" (Eph 4:15).
 
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Hi and appreciate your reply and comments! It's my understanding that those of who profess to be a Christian are of one of three groups: Those who knowingly profess falsely, whom will eventually cease; those who genuinely profess but ignorantly and will eventually understand; and those who profess with understanding, who have come out of ignorance beyond the time it takes to learn to "grow up into Him in all things" (Eph 4:15).

That wasn't my question. Nobody would argue that there are false Christians in every "denomination" outside of the Church and within the Church itself. St. Augustine even stated "God has many that the Church does not, and the Church has many that God does not."
My question was: Which Church is the real Church? meaning which group of believers are visibly identifiable by their shared beliefs, professing the same Faith that the Apostles themselves believed in and taught in its fullness, i.e hierarchical structure ( such as the core three levels of ministry: Deacon, Presbyter, and Bishop), judicial structure (authority to decide on matters such as what is heretical or not), conciliar structure (authority to make dogmatic statements that are binding on all Christians), Sacramental structure ( most authentically ministers those ordinary means by which the Faithful are throughout their lives being saved ( Trinitarian Baptism, authority to hear confession of sins and grant the forgiveness of God through minister, authority to consecrate ordinary bread and cup into the Body and Blood of the Lord, authority to marry one man and one woman) etc?
 
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That wasn't my question. Nobody would argue that there are false Christians in every "denomination" outside of the Church and within the Church itself. St. Augustine even stated "God has many that the Church does not, and the Church has many that God does not."
My question was: Which Church is the real Church?
I think I see a little more of what you may mean. First there needs to be a clarification of what we each mean by "Church." According to Scripture there is only one Church, which is the Body of the Lord Jesus
(Eph 5:23; Col 1:18). So, I'm thinking you're referring to various people who profess to be members of His Body. If I'm expressing what you mean then I would say that only those denominations whom I believe are openly non-Christian because of their teachings that often clearly oppose Scriptural doctrine are not genuine believers.
 
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