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Abel's blood is on her hands. Abel's blood was all the blood ever shed at that time. What city could that be?
Cainopolis?
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Abel's blood is on her hands. Abel's blood was all the blood ever shed at that time. What city could that be?
FredVB said:In the old testament of the Bible, Israel is properly depicted as the wife of Yahweh God, there isn't further meaning that was hidden. I don't say this with not believing in Jesus and who he is. My faith is shown with my information below my avatar, this and my signature could have been checked. The bride of Christ is a new concept for believers when the revelation of this came to the new church of believers who had come to Christ. There wasn't harlotry from them. The harlot depicted in Revelation for what is called Mystery Babylon and Babylon the great is guiilty with involvement with all that trade, and blood of many, typical of civilization, not simply a religious system of error.
summerville said:How does the "bride of Christ" enter this conversation?
Abel's blood is on her hands. Abel's blood was all the blood ever shed at that time. What city could that be?
ewq1938 said:Cainopolis?
How did Christ enter the "conversation"? Before Christ did come, the gospel of Christ though adequately hinted at was a mystery to those even searching the scriptures knowing the was a promised anointed one coming. There would be those given a new heart, "of flesh", not "of stone", and this was understood before Christ came to be referring to the people of Israel, though certain scriptures before Christ came were showing there would be gentile people who would be included. Any one of those of the people of Israel would be included, if they came to the promised one, Christ, and did not reject him. It was still new testament prophetic passages that show it clearly enough that all these of this new covenant that was promised become together the "bride of Christ", a good metaphor for the caring relationship in bliss that would never have an end.
Mystery Babylon is not the same as the "bride of Christ", it is a reference, that should come to be understood in these times, to cities of civilization, that we who are believers should actually come out of, as we are called to, and not wait for anything, like being taken, but just get out as soon as it is possible for us, as being in cities of civilization was not really right for us. Cities of civilization were not godly.
Lol! Yup. You might think the family comes before the state.Cainopolis?
How does the "bride of Christ" enter this conversation?
FredVB said:How did Christ enter the "conversation"? Before Christ did come, the gospel of Christ though adequately hinted at was a mystery to those even searching the scriptures knowing the was a promised anointed one coming. There would be those given a new heart, "of flesh", not "of stone", and this was understood before Christ came to be referring to the people of Israel, though certain scriptures before Christ came were showing there would be gentile people who would be included. Any one of those of the people of Israel would be included, if they came to the promised one, Christ, and did not reject him. It was still new testament prophetic passages that show it clearly enough that all these of this new covenant that was promised become together the "bride of Christ", a good metaphor for the caring relationship in bliss that would never have an end.
Mystery Babylon is not the same as the "bride of Christ", it is a reference, that should come to be understood in these times, to cities of civilization, that we who are believers should actually come out of, as we are called to, and not wait for anything, like being taken, but just get out as soon as it is possible for us, as being in cities of civilization was not really right for us. Cities of civilization were not godly.
summerville said:I have no idea what you just said.
ewq1938 said:Cainopolis?
Eloy Craft said:Lol! Yup. You might think the family comes before the state.
Do you know? Cain went with his wife to the east, and made a city named for his first born son, Enoch, Genesis 4:17. So this would have been the first city, and so there were cities before the flood, though I guess not on the scale of cities that came after the flood, starting with Babel.
There have always been Ziggurats all over the ME.. They were used as watchtowers during the day and signal towers at night.
The tower of Babel story is probably an allegory for the loss of literacy when a civilization collapses.
There are ancient cities that were not interrupted by flood.
Egypt, the Levant, Turkey and the Arabian peninsula have no flood sediment footprint.
That would be saying the flood was not world wide, which goes against God's Word as written.
There is a book called Sargon The Magnificent containing info from Assyriologist's translation of Babylonian tablets regarding the ancient Sumer civilization (in the area of old Babylon). Sargon (means king) suddenly appeared among the ancient Sumerians and gave them knowledge of the sciences and canal building. He build the first city there called Erech. The Sumerians called him 'son of Bel' (i.e. 'son of the dragon'). That is where first idol worship of Bel began, and from which all pagan idol worship stemmed from. Sargon's death mask is in the British museum.
One the Assyriologist's first translation of the date Sargon appeared among the Sumerians was 3800 B.C. He later changed that date because it didn't seem to fit the Assyriologist's theories of the day. Per bishop Ussher's 17th century dating of the man Adam in God's Garden from the begats in God's Word, he put Adam in Eden at 4004 B.C. The dates 4004 and 3800 B.C. are only about 200 years different. That would place Sargon in the same era as Cain.
The Sumerians had sailboats, irrigation, the wheel and a written language LONG before Sargon.
prove it.
Oh no.. The Bible uses the word "eretz" not earth or world or globe.
Eretz just means land. Like there was famine in the land... NOT famine over the whole earth.
The Sumerians had sailboats, irrigation, the wheel and a written language LONG before Sargon.
Sargon I was their first king, and the Assyriologists changed the original translation date of his arrival, which they admitted to (per Bristowe's research in Sargon The Magnificent). 3800 B.C. was the original translation from the Babylonian tablets.
Easy enough to prove. You have never been to Iraq or Iran, have you?
Quite amazing really.. I am partial to Byblos and Baalbek myself.
Top 12 Inventions and Discoveries of Ancient Babylonia ...
Top 12 Inventions and Discoveries of Ancient Babylonia - Ancient History Listsbabylonia
Nov 20, 2019 · 8. The First Wheel. Not only did Babylonia invent the sailboat for use on water, but also the wheel for use on land routes. The oldest wheels were made of clay, rock, and mud, with wooden wheels coming much later on. The Babylonians created the wheel in around 3,500 BC, the earliest wheel being used for pottery.
mesopotamia Sailboat - World History Education Resources
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Not only did ancient Mesopotamians invent the wheel, written language and the concept of hours that last for 60 minutes, they also were the creators of sailboats, a major development in travel. [5] They were the inventors of wheels, cuneiform, and sailboats.
I'm ex-military, but I still wouldn't tell you if I've been there or not.
Like I said, per Bristowe's research of the Assyriologist's own writings, the original translated date from the tablets when the Sumerians said Sargon I first appeared among them was 3800 B.C., which pre-dates those things you are talking about.