Mark of the Beast?

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11 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. 13 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,14 and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. 16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
Revelation 13:11–18
 
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I would like to know what each one of you believes the mark of the beast is (if you believe it's already here), or what it will be (if you believe it isn't already here)?
Do you endeavor to read scripture as written, plainly read and properly exegeted> Do you read scripture literally? If so.....


The passage from Revelation tells us the "mark" is a name, the name of the beast. Whatever it was, it has come and gone. It was a first century occurrence.

Revelation 1:1-3 KJV
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Revelation 1:1-3 NAS
[I["The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near."[/I]​

Revelation 22:7-10
"Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

Revelation 22:7-10 NAS
"'And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book.' I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, 'Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.' And he *said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near."

The book of Revelation in which the "mark" is mentioned opens and closes with the admonitions just quoted. When God first spoke eschatologically to Daniel He told Daniel to seal up the prophesies because the time was not then at hand but when God spoke to John centuries later He told John explicitly to leave the prophesies unsealed because the time was then near and at hand.

That is what the text states. That is not what I made it say.
 
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I would like to know what each one of you believes the mark of the beast is (if you believe it's already here), or what it will be (if you believe it isn't already here)?
The Mark of the Beast will be Sunday worship(but it is not yet in place) it seals all who take it into damnation, it will be enforced by the one world government/religious power. It will be the seal accepted and enforced by the wicked, anti-typical of the seal placed on the righteous who keep God's Laws and his true Sabbath day holy.

The mark of the beast is not a physical mark it is taken in thought and in deed.
As Frontlets between thy eye's Deut 6:6-8.... The Forehead is a symbol for the mind Deut 6:6-8; Rom 7:25; Revelation 14:1,17:5 Ez 3:8-9....Rom 7;25 with my mind i serve the Law of Y.H.W.H.... The hand is a symbol for actions Ez 13:9 Eccle 9:10 Isa 59:6

The Mark of the beast only come to be enforced at the end during the great tribulation, not any time before.
 
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I would like to know what each one of you believes the mark of the beast is (if you believe it's already here), or what it will be (if you believe it isn't already here)?
Let me ask you this: DO you think the "mark" is literal?

Note the passage from which this "mark" is taken is extremely figurative.

First, we have a "beast."
In addition we have...

the beast coming out the earth,
the best has two horns,
the beasts horns are like a lamb's,
it speaks like a dragon (a speaking dragon),
it exercises authority like another beast,
there are signs that it is allowed to work,
it gives breath to an image,
the image is to be slain,
the mark is either a name or a number of that name,
the number is that of a man.

So with so much undeniable figurative language.... do you think the mark is figurative as well, or is the mention of the "mark" to be treated differently than its surrounding text and read literally, or treated like the rest of the passage in which it occurs and understood as figurative, or a symbol of something other than a literal mark?
 
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I would like to know what each one of you believes the mark of the beast is (if you believe it's already here), or what it will be (if you believe it isn't already here)?

The mark of the beast is resentment when sealed on the heart. It is the action of resentment when sealed on the hand. It is the will of resentment when sealed on the forehead.

In this way, the mark of the beast exists through the ages until the end of the world when the mark might be made manifest in a new way.
 
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Let me ask you this: DO you think the "mark" is literal?

Note the passage from which this "mark" is taken is extremely figurative.

First, we have a "beast."
In addition we have...

the beast coming out the earth,
the best has two horns,
the beasts horns are like a lamb's,
it speaks like a dragon (a speaking dragon),
it exercises authority like another beast,
there are signs that it is allowed to work,
it gives breath to an image,
the image is to be slain,
the mark is either a name or a number of that name,
the number is that of a man.

So with so much undeniable figurative language.... do you think the mark is figurative as well, or is the mention of the "mark" to be treated differently than its surrounding text and read literally, or treated like the rest of the passage in which it occurs and understood as figurative, or a symbol of something other than a literal mark?

I agree with what someone said about the mark of the beast. Let me quote what he said,

Paper money and fiat currency is the true mark of the beast of Revelation, because the Torah commands, "you shall have righteous balances and weights", which fiat currency is not, for true money according to the Torah is gold and silver. Unlike fiat currency, gold cannot be devalued, because 1 ozt of gold today is the same 1 ozt of gold tomorrow, because the value of gold was previously based on standard weights for thousands of years. It is true and valuable and stable and good money. It's precisely why the US Constitution says that only gold and silver can be legal tender, which outlaws paper money and fiat currency, which has been introduced illegally into this society, which even the founding fathers of the US were completely against in their writings. And it's why all the names of fiat currencies were all formerly names of weights, "dollars", "pesos", "pounds", all to weigh gold accurately, which was money in antiquity for thousands of years. Yet in the 1930's gold was confiscated by executive order in the USA, and people were forced to trade in their gold for gold certificates, which was paper money. It was given at around $21 USD per 1 ozt. One year later the paper money was devalued to around $35 USD per 1 ozt, which was massive thievery. And over the decades the paper money continued to be devalued, until around the 1970's, which is when the backing of gold was completely removed from the paper money, which is when it also became fiat currency, the greatest thievery in the history of humanity, because the central banks kept all the gold they robbed the entire world of since by this time all the nations also began to adopt this form of money, while leaving the world with mere paper to buy and sell with. What were formerly names of weights, such as "dollars", "pesos", and "pounds", to derive the value of gold no longer had anything to do with weight nor gold, and left people literally buying and selling with mere names and numbers, the "name of the beast" and the "number of his name", which are the two forms of the mark of the beast. It's precisely why 666 is mentioned in the Tanakh, "666 talents of gold", because people were left buying and selling with mere names of weights, as if they were buying and selling with the mere name "talent", which was a standard weight, and people were left buying and selling with mere numbers of a false weight. And so all the paper monies and fiat currencies of today are all false weights, which breaks the command of the Torah regarding righteous weights and balances, and so causes everyone to sin by the mere possession of this forbidden money, the "mark of the beast".

The mutual consent of everyone to continue receiving and using this form of money is what keeps it going, which is why everyone deserves to be condemned by it, because it is everyone's fault that it still exists, not just those who issue it and have forced forced the entire world to use this evil form of money for their own benefit. The only way to get rid of the mark of the beast is by getting rid of this money, every last penny of it, and that is why "come out of her my people", meaning coming out of the financial system, is the ultimate test of belief and obedience to any believer in our generation, because we all need money. This is a truth that no one else or very few people are going to tell you, because the world has been deceived and the evil of fiat currency has been normalized into our society. George Washington would've been appalled at what this nation has become, which is why he wrote, "paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice". The way paper money and fiat currency impoverishes the world is through deliberate devaluation since it has no intrinsic value, which then causes savings and incomes to lag behind the devaluation, which then causes prices to rise because of the devaluation, which then causes people to get into debt, and then they become poorer through interest since the debt is not given for free. It is the very reason why people are eating out of garbage trucks in Venezuela, or why what an Egyptian makes in one day in minimum wage in their fiat currency is enough to buy food for 1 day in the US, or why there is a debt crisis in the US. Paper money and fiat currency is the root cause of the problem. It is the root of evil. And eventually those at the top of this financial system become the owners of everything, through debt, which is what having the mark of the beast on the forehead symbolizes, debt, for the forehead is a symbol of being owned by whose name is imprinted on the forehead, and a "borrower is a slave to his lender", which today comes in the form of credit cards and mortgages and auto loans and many other forms of debt of fiat currency. And having the mark of the beast on the right hand symbolizes merely possessing paper money and fiat currency, for the right hand is symbolic for authority, and once you have this form of money then you have authority to buy and sell. And this financial system will indeed collapse, which is why the destruction of the prostitute of Babylon, which is Vatican City, will cause all the "merchants of the earth to wail for her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore", for all central banks of the world trace back to one bank, the Vatican Bank, and by destroying the head of this financial system it will subsequently cause it all to collapse like a house of cards. And that is essentially why she is called a "prostitute", because she sells herself for money, and she joins herself with the kings of the earth through central banks, and the money she has received is the gold she has taken from the world while leaving the world mere names and numbers to buy and sell with. Believe and understand what I am telling you, and prepare, for we are 6 years away from the financial collapse, because we are now approaching the year 6000 from creation in 2026 AD, which is the true year of the second coming of the Mashiach, which will be preceded by the destruction of Vatican City and the global financial collapse. Many people will read this post and ignore it, ridicule it, and disbelieve it, all to their own demise in a few years. So be it. If, however, you are not among one of these, and do believe what I am telling you. Contact me, so that I can give you more information on how to prepare. You can do a Google search to find my bible study regarding this topic by searching the following exact phrase, "antichrist mark 666 wisdomofgod . us".
 
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I agree with what someone said about the mark of the beast. Let me quote what he said,

The prostitute in that passage is the Jews, who whored after Rome, just as they whored after the idols during the ages of the prophets, judges, and kings. Jerusalem, which became the new Sodom and Egypt, was destroyed as the Jews were mystically divorced and a New Israel raised up in the Christians as the Church which is the mystical bride of Christ.

However, the passage does also refer to the end of time when the Christians too will harlot after the Antichrist as the pattern of history is echoed for the final time.
 
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I would like to know what each one of you believes the mark of the beast is (if you believe it's already here), or what it will be (if you believe it isn't already here)?
Political correctness. It's already harder to be in business if you are a Christian serving the public. It's getting harder to ensure that your staff meet your own Christian standards. China is spying on its population. If you don't meet government standards, your life gets much harder. Satan seeks total control so that he can stifle the church completely.

Facial recognition security is being rolled out in much of the western world. As the rest of the world catches up, we could easily have a network that monitors every aspect of life. Self driving cars? What better way to monitor your every move? Not in your car? A smartphone will do just as well. This is "1984" coming to pass right now.
 
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Do you endeavor to read scripture as written, plainly read and properly exegeted> Do you read scripture literally? If so.....


The passage from Revelation tells us the "mark" is a name, the name of the beast. Whatever it was, it has come and gone. It was a first century occurrence.

Revelation 1:1-3 KJV
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Revelation 1:1-3 NAS
[I["The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near."[/I]​

Revelation 22:7-10
"Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

Revelation 22:7-10 NAS
"'And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book.' I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, 'Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.' And he *said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near."

The book of Revelation in which the "mark" is mentioned opens and closes with the admonitions just quoted. When God first spoke eschatologically to Daniel He told Daniel to seal up the prophesies because the time was not then at hand but when God spoke to John centuries later He told John explicitly to leave the prophesies unsealed because the time was then near and at hand.

That is what the text states. That is not what I made it say.

Hold on to your horses as Rev 1 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

9 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.

in chapter 2 the 2nd coming is also mentioned to the church of Thyatira 24 “Now to you I say, and[fn] to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will[fn] put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come.

The beast is given control over the world for 42 months the mark and image of the beast come in at the same time.and he is destroyed by the 2nd coming of Jesus. Shown clearly in Chapter 19
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had[fn] a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean,[fn] followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp[fn] sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

9 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

This whole scenario leading up to the second coming is future and it is all set up right now.
 
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hi The mark of the beast is not yet occurring. The important thing about this is to look at all the details given and note that the beast is given power by the dragon and it says he causes all to worship himself but also the dragon which is Satan. This is blatant. The time line of when the man of sin is revealed sure looks like it is in the middle of Daniels 70th week so the abomination of desolation is the event that immediately precedes the mark of the beast.
some think it is a RFID chip and that or something similar might be used. I note that there is only one sin that in the Bible God says is unforgivable and that is the blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. But if you take the mark you cannot be saved. This is some way could be a blaspheme of the Holy Spirit too. Others look back at Genesis and the race of Nephalim and think perhaps the mark might alter your DNA or merge you with a computer so from then on you will have lost free will or will no longer be in the image of God. These may sound way out there but if you look into a thing called transhumanism itis very possible.

We see Israel now is readying for the 3rd temple and the resuming of the sacrifices not done for over 1800 years. This is a sign that the abomination of desolation will be the thing to watch for and then the mark and image of the beast come out for 42 months.
 
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Hold on to your horses as Rev 1 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.... This whole scenario leading up to the second coming is future and it is all set up right now.
The mark of the beast was future to those in the first century. It is not future to those of us in the 21st century.

Do a search of the scriptures for God coming in/on clouds. It is figurative language and consistently refers to God coming in judgment. The God of the Bible is not Zeus or Apollos. He does not literally ride clouds.

The apostles repeatedly stated they and their audience were living in the last days or last times (plural). This is not the same thing as the last day (singular).

And we're getting afield of the op. The best and his mark was a first century condition. 21st century Christians who are looking for the mark in the 21st century are looking for something that is not coming in our future. They are wasting their time.

Your time would be better spent obeying Jesus' words to the apostles in Matthew 28:19-20.

Matthew 28:16-20
"But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.'”

If you do that you needn't be concerned about the beast, his mark, or Jesus' return.
 
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Hold on to your horses as Rev 1 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.
Those who pierced Jesus lived in the first century. They are long dead now. Look through the scriptures and identify who scripture reports are those who pierced Jesus.

Matthew 27:22-25
"Pilate said to them, 'Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?' They all said, 'Crucify Him!' 23And he said, 'Why, what evil has He done?' But they kept shouting all the more, saying, “Crucify Him!” 24When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but rather that a riot was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd, saying, 'I am innocent of this Man’s blood; see to that yourselves.' 25And all the people said, 'His blood shall be on us and on our children!'"

And "tribes" of the earth is a reference to the twelve tribes of Israel, not all Gentile humanity.
 
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Hi your method of interpretation has denied the clear verbal context of the many texts that show the kingdom coming that covers the earth comes when the LORD comes with his saints and the dead are many and all over Israel but in these instances the dead are those who have come against Jerusalem not those Jews in it. The great day of the LORD is when all nations are gathered against Israel. Your kingdom or covenant theology is correct that the saved are spiritual Israel and therefor a spiritual kingdom.

You have thrown the baby out with the bath water in thinking the covenant with Israel for the land is not going to be kept and that in your view Satan being bound would have all these atrocities taking place whole Jesus is reigning. The rod of iron will not be needed in heaven as all who make it will put off the nature of Adam. The before and after picture of what the world is like when Jesus takes the throne of David is different than when the new Jerusalem comes down. There is still death and reproduction and life continuing on earth after the kingdom has come. You are convinced in your doctrine and no longer capable of changing your mind. Im watching a set of specific literal descriptions match reality right now happening such as if you asked an old farmer for directions and he told you go down this road and when you see a bid red barn with a yellow roof you turn right and then about a mile up there is a statue of gold grizzly bear then turn right again and you followed the path and saw what he told you you would know you are on the right path.
The path I see from scripture has Israel becoming a nation again and a stumbling block to the whole world with jerusalem the center of global tension and the likely flash point for a global war. This has to also include the nations wanting to divide the land of Israel and Jeruslaem as well as a movement to that will eventually bring back the temple sacrifcees. So far that is a red barn and a gold grizzly. But the world will also deteriorate where morals are that of the days of Noah. The world will be moving towards a one world government and a cashless society. The church would largely be apostate. In other words the world would reflect doctrines of demons which would be quite a trick if Satan was bound. This short list leads to the return of the sacrifice in the middle of the 70th week and 42 months later the nations are gathered against Israel and this is when the LORD comes.

The before and after pictures are clear and the nations which are left will now come to Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles or they will get no rain. The river that flows from teh Mt of Olives goes east the dead sea will be healed and a place for fisherman to thrive . I see no reason to not believe the passages that are coming to light exactly as they are written. Satan has no been bound and the LORD then has not come. Your conclusion is lacking any evidence of a before and after type of contrast from the rule of Satan to the rule of Jesus and this should be shouting at you that this is future. Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven is a real prayer and we will see it in both spiritual and physical sense.
 
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