Inside Edition catches Kenneth Copeland off guard.

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Some mentioned they thought Kenneth Copeland had died. You're probably thinking of Kenneth Hagan.

I have sat in on a number of "Word of Faith" meetings. I am a evangelical charismatic. The WOF M.O. is often like that of any evangelical setting. But, when the Prosperity angle surfaces, I feel the same uneasiness I get when "Mary'd" by Catholic charismatics, "Sabbathed" by Adventists, "Elected" by Reformists, and sung to with vague "Hill Song" lyrics. These differences will not keep me from fellowshipping once in a while with believers who hold to these tenets/practice them--but I don't give up my liberty to please, either.

It seems reasonable that Jesus' earthly ministry could have been partially funded by benefactors, such as the wife of Herod's head of household (Bible Gateway passage: Luke 8:1-3 - New International Version) and the Magi (gold presented at Bethlehem). If anything, Jesus worked and probably saved some.
 
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Well, let's look at what Jesus said shall we?
It's the verse right after the one you all have been quoting.
"Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Apart from the fact that this has been quoted out of context and Jesus is talking about when the Son of Man sits on his throne, Matthew 19:28-29 - those of us who follow Christ receive those things now.
Homes - maybe not literally, but how many of us go to other people's homes for meals, study groups or fellowship? How many of us have Christian friends who would not fail to offer us a bed for the night, or longer, should we need it?
Brothers/sisters/parents - we are members of God's family. There are fellow Christians - our brothers and sisters because we all have one Father - in almost every city in many countries of the world. We can move to a new town, go to a different church and find people who love the Lord as we do. The Lord could tell us to go to another country to meet Christians there, serve them or just enjoy worship with them.

The fact is, some of Jesus' disciples were rich.

Were they?
Why then did Peter say that they had left everything to follow Jesus? Why did Jesus have to tell Peter to take a fish and look in its mouth, for a coin to pay their temple tax? Why, when Jesus was faced with more than 5000 hungry people, did Philip not say "no problem, we'll release some funds and go and buy food", instead of "even 8 months wages would not be enough to feed this lot"?

And very much so. I underlined the part that's important for emphasis.

It doesn't matter how much you emphasis it - that verse does not say that Christians will receive literal homes, money and possessions because they follow Jesus.
This world is temporary; we are pilgrims and strangers passing through. We are not called to accumulate great wealth and call it our reward for following Christ.

And in another gospel where Jesus and the disciples were talking about the same subject, Jesus points out that yes, anyone who does such things will also be subject to many persecutions.

Yes. Christians who are loyal to Christ no matter what, can expect to be discriminated against, mocked, ignored, beaten or face violence and death for their beliefs. All of us should be prepared for that.


So the question I have to some of you is this: Could Kenneth Copeland (as a rich man who's received these promises) be experiencing a persecution of being backbitten and tongue scorched by a lot of people as God pointed out in that passage.

No.
Challenging someone who misquotes the Scriptures, uses select verses as justification for doing what they want and is criticised by other Christians, is not at all the same as someone who confesses Christ, refuses to disown him and stop following him even when they have great hardship/suffering imposed on them. Try telling a Christian who is in prison for their faith that they are in the same position as a rich preacher who gets some critical statements made about him.

It's something I hope some of you will stop and ponder

And hopefully come to the correct conclusion.

I, for one, don't want to touch God's anointed, regardless if I agree or disagree with them.

"Touch not God's anointed" seems to be a verse, taken out of context, that some Christians use to justify any sorts of behaviours. We need to be open, honest and accountable - lights to the world, penetrating the darkness - not hiding behind Scripture and misusing it to justify our actions. A Christian accused of fraud? Touch not the Lord's anointed. A preacher suspected of child abuse/sexual practices? Touch not the Lord's anointed.

I wouldn't touch Mr Copeland either - not even with a barge pole.
 
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Just watched the whole thing. Embarrassing. :eek:
I didn't need to watch it because,
I have seen him speaking in tongues.

In the video the interpretation of his tongue action starts at the 2 min mark. (( It's Great ))

M-Bob
 
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It's in Luke 18:30

And let's read it all in context,shall we?

Luke 18:18-30 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
Treasure in heaven is promised. It was the Lord who said not to store our treasure on earth but in heaven. Jesus promises treasure in heaven not earthly treasure, otherwise he would not teach us to store treasure in heaven instead of on earth. That's how i see it anyway.
 
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His answers broadly are not that flawed but the way he answers them is just atrocious. Private jets and not flying commercial for example he was getting there with an actual reasonable answer with a busy and fly on demand schedule not to mention needing a type of sanctuary during flight to prepare. But he fumbles through it horribly and appears like he's making it up on the spot.
He needs a 50 million dollar Jet and his own airport too?
 
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He needs a 50 million dollar Jet and his own airport too?
televangelists have a self serving model. The more you give the more they amass. Someone should write a handbook for the televangelists or a governing body that can draft foundational principles and values that keep people in check, and then using these metrics give televangelists a score of where they fall. There are a lot of ethical problems with this model that I cannot support
 
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Kenneth Copeland says that the Lords disciples were wealthy. I thought they were uneducated fisherman? And even if they were rich at one time, they gave up all to follow the Lord so they were not rich in the scripture that Kenneth Copeland quotes.

Matthew 19:27 Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”


Who, after meeting the Lord, feels poor? Who, after, tasting of the heavenly kingdom, cares about the amount of money someone else has? Is not what you have, much more than what they have? If not.....I would spend more time searching for more than they have, and less time focusing on what they have.
 
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Yes this guy is very rich. Who gets rich selling the gospel?
Who stays poor, after hearing the Gospel? The Father said, Everything I have is thine.......yet we would rather talking about the parties others are throwing than to notice that we have everything we desire.
 
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I didn't need to watch it because,
I have seen him speaking in tongues.

In the video the interpretation of his tongue action starts at the 2 min mark. (( It's Great ))

M-Bob
WoF and prosperity preachers are very dangerous imo.
 
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When my wife was going to church Sunday I told her a story before she left. I told her to tell the pastor I heard a rumor all the churches in town we're talking about selling their buildings and making one big one. The money that is left over is going to be used to pay off all the debts of every Christian in town. Since there is over 200 pastors in town they will only be able to give one sermon every four years so they will have to get a job in between, But the sermons will be really good because they will have four years to prepare for it. I dreamed this up the other day because our churches electric bill was $4,000 that would literally get me completely out of debt just one electric bill.
 
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Everybody should stop piling on and condemning Kenneth Copland. There were disciples that were very well off. Nicodemus was one,and there was others.Brother Copeland is blessed. I don't know why some Christians are so envious., If you read the Bible, and believe what it says, you too will be blessed. Also, nobody tells any of you how to spend your money. You buy what you want with your salary. But here you are condemning someone who buys what he wants. That is hypocritical. The Bible says Satan is the accuser
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Kenneth Copeland preaches the Lord Jesus. The Bible says you can't even say Jesus is your Lord without the Holy Ghost. I have listened to Copeland.He is a bit radical, and a little much for religious folks.But my Bible tells me that Lord Jesus was radical and a little much for religious folks when He was here.
 
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Everybody should stop piling on and condemning Kenneth Copland. There were disciples that were very well off. Nicodemus was one,and there was others.
Nicodemus was not a disciple....he was a Pharisee.
 
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Everybody should stop piling on and condemning Kenneth Copland. There were disciples that were very well off. Nicodemus was one,and there was others.Brother Copeland is blessed. I don't know why some Christians are so envious., If you read the Bible, and believe what it says, you too will be blessed. Also, nobody tells any of you how to spend your money. You buy what you want with your salary. But here you are condemning someone who buys what he wants. That is hypocritical. The Bible says Satan is the accuser
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Kenneth Copeland preaches the Lord Jesus. The Bible says you can't even say Jesus is your Lord without the Holy Ghost. I have listened to Copeland.He is a bit radical, and a little much for religious folks.But my Bible tells me that Lord Jesus was radical and a little much for religious folks when He was here.
The Word of God warns more about false teachers and not to be deceived in the last days more than anything else.Look for yourself.
 
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The Word of God warns more about false teachers and not to be deceived in the last days more than anything else.Look for yourself.
Who is the deceiver? The one who says we should be rich, or the one who states that we shouldnt?
 
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