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How does a person debate other people that go on the attack mode? Why attack somebody else's character? Isn't that a terrible way to debate?

I am not against people attack my ideas. But they don't stop there. They will attack me as a human being. So, how does one continue in a debate like that?
 
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Remind them to debate the topic not the person.
Also judo...Using the weight and travel of an object to propel that object even faster in the direction it is already traveling.
 
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Also judo

That made me laugh.

You need to use Jew Jitsu

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How does a person debate other people that go on the attack mode? Why attack somebody else's character? Isn't that a terrible way to debate?

Yes but I guess it is easier than defending a bad position. Luckily the rules here protect from such tactics so just report it when it happens.
 
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How does a person debate other people that go on the attack mode? Why attack somebody else's character? Isn't that a terrible way to debate?

I am not against people attack my ideas. But they don't stop there. They will attack me as a human being. So, how does one continue in a debate like that?

In short, you don't. I have discussions with people all the time who eventually end up shouting and insulting. I usually don't let it go that far.
 
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How does a person debate other people that go on the attack mode? Why attack somebody else's character? Isn't that a terrible way to debate?

I am not against people attack my ideas. But they don't stop there. They will attack me as a human being. So, how does one continue in a debate like that?
Don’t debate. It’s not our job to save people all we are called to do is give the gospel, the Holy Spirit does the rest.

A five hour argument is worthless compared to a five minute prayer for that person.
 
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How does a person debate other people that go on the attack mode? Why attack somebody else's character? Isn't that a terrible way to debate?

I am not against people attack my ideas. But they don't stop there. They will attack me as a human being. So, how does one continue in a debate like that?
I go into assertive mode. Here are the techniques:
1. Fogging. This is agreeing in principle with the person without changing one's own view or behaviour. It is hard for someone to attack you when you agree with them.
2. Negative enquiry:
Asking, "What is it about what I have said that makes you think [their accusation of you]. When they answer with another accusation, then you repeat the negative enquiry involving the new accusation, repeating it again and again until they give up. The principle is that if they accuse or criticise you they have to justify their criticism. You don't have to defend yourself in any way, but when they stop trying to manipulate you through criticism or accusation, then you can have a respectful and meaningful discussion about the issues.
3. Positive assertion:
This means going right over the top in agreeing with the person. One student asked the assertiveness instructor while he appear so gay as he minced around the campus. The answer was: "When I was young I thought about sex 100 percent of the time, but now I am older I think about it only 50% of the time, so I must be developing that way!"
4. We don't offer free information just because the other person demands it.
5. We don't try and answer a contentious or accusative person's question. We answer it with our own question. When I made a comment to my teenage daughter, she retorted: "What do you mean by that???" I answered, "What do you think I meant?" She just growled under her breath and stalked off to her room. I had that feeling that I had won.

We have assertive rights. We can say to anyone:
"I agree (in principle)".
"I don't understand."
"I don't care."

On a thread just recently I had a series of exchanges with an atheist who was flaming me for my views. I used my assertiveness techniques that must have frustrated him, but he would not give up, so in the end I said, "I don't care". He stopped trying after that.
 
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How does a person debate other people that go on the attack mode? Why attack somebody else's character? Isn't that a terrible way to debate?

I am not against people attack my ideas. But they don't stop there. They will attack me as a human being. So, how does one continue in a debate like that?
Where are you debating these people?
What sorts of positions are you debating?
 
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Where are you debating these people?
What sorts of positions are you debating?

I was debating these people on Facebook and on Christian Forums. I was in the current news. And I made a comment that angered someone, and they attacked me as a person. I don't mind disagreement, or people attacking my ideas; I just don't understand why attack the person.
 
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I go into assertive mode. Here are the techniques:
1. Fogging. This is agreeing in principle with the person without changing one's own view or behaviour. It is hard for someone to attack you when you agree with them.
2. Negative enquiry:
Asking, "What is it about what I have said that makes you think [their accusation of you]. When they answer with another accusation, then you repeat the negative enquiry involving the new accusation, repeating it again and again until they give up. The principle is that if they accuse or criticise you they have to justify their criticism. You don't have to defend yourself in any way, but when they stop trying to manipulate you through criticism or accusation, then you can have a respectful and meaningful discussion about the issues.
3. Positive assertion:
This means going right over the top in agreeing with the person. One student asked the assertiveness instructor while he appear so gay as he minced around the campus. The answer was: "When I was young I thought about sex 100 percent of the time, but now I am older I think about it only 50% of the time, so I must be developing that way!"
4. We don't offer free information just because the other person demands it.
5. We don't try and answer a contentious or accusative person's question. We answer it with our own question. When I made a comment to my teenage daughter, she retorted: "What do you mean by that???" I answered, "What do you think I meant?" She just growled under her breath and stalked off to her room. I had that feeling that I had won.

We have assertive rights. We can say to anyone:
"I agree (in principle)".
"I don't understand."
"I don't care."

On a thread just recently I had a series of exchanges with an atheist who was flaming me for my views. I used my assertiveness techniques that must have frustrated him, but he would not give up, so in the end I said, "I don't care". He stopped trying after that.

This was actually helpful. Thank you.
 
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Don’t debate. It’s not our job to save people all we are called to do is give the gospel, the Holy Spirit does the rest.

A five hour argument is worthless compared to a five minute prayer for that person.

This is very much true. Thank you
 
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In short, you don't. I have discussions with people all the time who eventually end up shouting and insulting. I usually don't let it go that far.

I probably should not let it get that far as well.
 
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Remind them to debate the topic not the person.
Also judo...Using the weight and travel of an object to propel that object even faster in the direction it is already traveling.

Thank you
 
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It really isn't necessary for you to do anything. Once the person you're discussing with begins personal attacks they have in effect lost. That is they can't come up with a rebuttal to what you've stated, so they just revert to insults, like a child might. You (and any aware observer) will realize the attacker has nothing else to say. Often on CF I will see this happen and just think O.K. the attacker really has no rebuttal and has in a sense given up. Just move on, you have nothing more to prove.
 
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I was debating these people on Facebook and on Christian Forums. I was in the current news. And I made a comment that angered someone, and they attacked me as a person. I don't mind disagreement, or people attacking my ideas; I just don't understand why attack the person.
On here, be mindful of the rules, and report personal attacks. Use them to your advantage.

On Facebook, it's not as anonymous. If you're debating something on a friend's post, the person you are debating with is someone to your friend. HR departments also use various crawlers on Facebook to find candidates and look for reasons to weed them out. For these two reasons, it's important to not go unhinged on Facebook and tear into the person.

In both cases, make sure you are using the facts honestly. Learn logical fallacies so you can avoid them and point them out. Attack the argument without attacking the person, but you can do it in a way that more clearly diminishes their position if they are particularly nasty. Just don't appear to be aggressive when you're doing it.
 
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I can try to do that.
“Someone pointed out my argument was a logical fallacy and so I changed my mind, acknowledged I was wrong and saw it from their perspective.”
-Said no one ever, in the history of arguments.
 
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“Someone pointed out my argument was a logical fallacy and so I changed my mind, acknowledged I was wrong and saw it from their perspective.”
-Said no one ever, in the history of arguments.

No, they haven't

That is probably why it is wise to just not argue with them. I think I am going to take your advice on that one.
 
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