Future events in Revelation.

summerville · Mar 1, 2020

Berean Tim said:
The Lord does come to us spiritually in the person of the Holy Spirit.

Zechariah 14
1Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. 2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3Then the LORDwill go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. 4On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. 5And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.a

This passage shows very physical events when the Lord returns

The nations did gather to fight for the Romans against the zealots.

Years later they fought the Bar Kohkba Revolt. Hadrian refused to allow the Jews to bury their dead so bodies lay in the street for months. He also hunted down those who had fled and hidden themselves in caves.

Berean Tim · Mar 1, 2020

summerville said:
That is Scofield not Revelation.

The Jews believed that the Bar Kohkba Revolt was the fulfillment of Daniel and Revelation. Of course like the Apostles and Disciples they got it wrong too according to the far futurists.

I've never owned or read a Scofield bible.
Peter warned ...8But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Have a blessed day

Berean Tim · Mar 1, 2020

summerville said:
The nations did gather to fight for the Romans against the zealots.

Years later they fought the Bar Kohkba Revolt. Hadrian refused to allow the Jews to bury their dead so bodies lay in the street for months. He also hunted down those who had fled and hidden themselves in caves.

But the Lord didn't return..Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.a

summerville · Mar 1, 2020

Berean Tim said:
I've never owned or read a Scofield bible.
Peter warned ...8But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Have a blessed day

I believe that you haven't ever owned a Scofield Bible. Nonetheless Scofield heresy permeates Protestant evangelical churches and both Dominionists and Dispensationalist churches.. It was preached to the poor at tent revivals during the Depression and the Dustbowl years, but it really caught fire in the 1970s with the publication of Hal Lindsey's books. Dallas Theological Seminary has turned out thousands of preacher.

People innocently don't know...

Berean Tim · Mar 1, 2020

summerville said:
I believe that you haven't ever owned a Scofield Bible. Nonetheless Scofield heresy permeates Protestant evangelical churches and both Dominionists and Dispensationalist churches.. It was preached to the poor at tent revivals during the Depression and the Dustbowl years, but it really caught fire in the 1970s with the publication of Hal Lindsey's books. Dallas Theological Seminary has turned out thousands of preacher.

People innocently don't know...

I'm very familiar with Scofield and Hal Lindsay. I'm not a dispensationalist nor am I a dual covenant (one end times for the Jew and one for the church). I hold to the Pre-Wrath viewpoint

summerville · Mar 1, 2020

Berean Tim said:
I'm very familiar with Scofield and Hal Lindsay. I'm not a dispensationalist nor am I a dual covenant (one end times for the Jew and one for the church). I hold to the Pre-Wrath viewpoint

So you have looked into the origins of prewrath???

Looking into the origins of things because of the many "new revelations" that are hitting the Church today and leading it off into apostasy. Jesus did say,

"22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things (Mark 13).

Zachm531 · Mar 1, 2020

Berean Tim said:
Have you overlooked the Jews are back in Jerusalem ? And we still await the return of Jesus. Matthew 24:29-31
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus already came on the clouds of Heaven. The destruction of the temple and the judgement of the Jews in THAT generation. In Isaiah 19:1 we see this same symbolism used:
“An oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭19:1
Was God actually riding on a cloud? Or is this imagery? The same with Jesus. Matthew 24:34 “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” Josephus writes about the annihilation of Jerusalem in the late first century. This is the reason why in the book of Acts, the christians were selling all of their belongings because Jesus promised destruction in that generation Acts 4:32-5:11

frederick943 · Mar 1, 2020

capitoldrive said:
Revelation was written for first century Christians to show that God never leaves them and to help get through persecution at that time. Yet, I wonder whether the it precludes similar events in the future.

There is nothing in this book that even remotely makes any sense. What is truly amazing is that so many people purport to know what the crazy things mean, and quote it so much.

summerville · Mar 1, 2020

frederick943 said:
There is nothing in this book that even remotely makes any sense. What is truly amazing is that so many people purport to know what the crazy things mean, and quote it so much.

You make a good point.

JacksBratt · Mar 1, 2020

summerville said:
Paul died believing that Jesus would return any minute. In fact ALL the apostles and disciples believed Jesus would return in their lifetime.

Ya, this is the group of men that didn't even know that He was going to resurrect Himself.. even though He basically spelled it out to them....

What Christ was telling them... was pretty radical.. There are still things, today, that people get wrong about the scriptures.

Berean Tim · Mar 1, 2020

summerville said:
So you have looked into the origins of prewrath???

Looking into the origins of things because of the many "new revelations" that are hitting the Church today and leading it off into apostasy. Jesus did say,

"22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things (Mark 13).

Not sure what "new revelations" you mean. I have seen no-one on the Pre- Wrath side teach another Jesus (False Christ). Have you ?

JacksBratt · Mar 1, 2020

frederick943 said:
There is nothing in this book that even remotely makes any sense. What is truly amazing is that so many people purport to know what the crazy things mean, and quote it so much.

It is a book that your are told that you will be "blessed" for reading.. It takes a person who is very knowledgeable about the rest of the bible to decipher the intricacies of this final book. But.. we do get the main point... wrath is coming... be ready.. we win.... YAY.

Berean Tim · Mar 1, 2020

Zachm531 said:
Jesus already came on the clouds of Heaven. The destruction of the temple and the judgement of the Jews in THAT generation. In Isaiah 19:1 we see this same symbolism used:
“An oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭19:1
Was God actually riding on a cloud? Or is this imagery? The same with Jesus. Matthew 24:34 “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” Josephus writes about the annihilation of Jerusalem in the late first century. This is the reason why in the book of Acts, the christians were selling all of their belongings because Jesus promised destruction in that generation Acts 4:32-5:11

Acts 1:9-11
9And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,11and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Was this cloud imagery ? He will return in the same way

summerville · Mar 1, 2020

Berean Tim said:
Not sure what "new revelations" you mean. I have seen no-one on the Pre- Wrath side teach another Jesus (False Christ). Have you ?

I wouldn't know if I had .. I knew/know NOTHING about the Latter Rain Movement of the 1950s.

Berean Tim · Mar 1, 2020

summerville said:
I wouldn't know if I had .. I knew/know NOTHING about the Latter Rain Movement of the 1950s.

Pre-Wrath is an end time position. I have no affiliation with the Latter Rain Movement.
Don't know why you would say that.

Carl Emerson · Mar 1, 2020

With all this confusion - how can anyone say

"All this information is given to us before it happens so we are without excuse if we fail to take note of and understand God's Plans for the end times. Amos 3:7, Revelation 1:1-3

We are without excuse if we fail to take note !!! WHAT ????

Take not of what ???

There are so many theories being expounded - most of them have to we wrong.

This is a platform of speculation - how can you be accountable to that ????????

Maria Billingsley · Mar 1, 2020

capitoldrive said:
Revelation was written for first century Christians to show that God never leaves them and to help get through persecution at that time. Yet, I wonder whether the it precludes similar events in the future.

Welcome! Christians have been under persecution since the first century. We are told by Jesus Christ of Nazareth to stay the course so that we do not fall away into deception by the adversary.
Blessings

JacksBratt · Mar 1, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
With all this confusion - how can anyone say

"All this information is given to us before it happens so we are without excuse if we fail to take note of and understand God's Plans for the end times. Amos 3:7, Revelation 1:1-3

We are without excuse if we fail to take note !!! WHAT ????

Take not of what ???

There are so many theories being expounded - most of them have to we wrong.

This is a platform of speculation - how can you be accountable to that ????????

What we are "without excuse" for is that we are created, sinners at heart and in the need of a savior.. That is written on all of our hearts.

Watch a two year old... even it knows when it is being mean, lying, doing something that it should not.. Even though it cannot grasp the concept of the gospel... it is sinning and knows it's doing things that it shouldn't.

Every human that has lived will be held to that. .Whether due to someone telling them, the scripture, or... the magnificent display this earth provides that is proof of our creator.

Marumorose · Mar 1, 2020

Berean Tim said:
The Lord does come to us spiritually in the person of the Holy Spirit.

Zechariah 14
1Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. 2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3Then the LORDwill go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. 4On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. 5And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.a

This passage shows very physical events when the Lord returns

Keep in mind that the the bible speaks in hidden codes or messages. For example do you know that the mount of olives and city of Jerusalem are within you? Most of us read the bible but we do not understand that the bible is actually within us. It may be hard for you to understand. It took me a while to understand too how our bodies are related to the bible. God Bless You

JacksBratt · Mar 2, 2020

Can anyone here, that believes that this has all happened already, and that revelations is not talking about even our future... can you tell me where in history the two witnesses showed up? Or, the mark of the beast? Or, a one world government? Or, the unholy trinity of the false prophet, the beast and the anti Christ? When did the world all watch, in real time, the two witnesses dead in the street... for three days.. have parties and celebrate, exchanging gifts... Only to see these two come back to life?

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