The Reason for the Rapture.

The Reason for the Rapture.

I believe that the Body of Christ will be raptured to be part of the Lord`s coronation on His OWN THRONE.

The Father`s Throne.

At the moment we know that the Lord is on the FATHER`S THRONE.

`The LORD (Father) said to my Lord, (Jesus), “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.” (Ps. 110: 1)



Jesus` Throne.

However sometime soon the Lord Jesus will come for His Body of believers and take them to His OWN THRONE.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on MY THRONE, as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on HIS THRONE. ` (Rev. 3: 21)

So we see that God the Father has His throne and that is beyond all created order, as He made everything. Then we realize that the Lord Jesus Christ, in His glorious body, also has His own throne.

God the Father will establish the Lord`s throne in the angelic realm. There has been no visible rulership there since Lucifer was cast out. It is the Father`s desire that His Son rule from this highest realm of His great kingdom.



The Body of Christ around Jesus` throne.

The glorified Lord Jesus Christ will be visibly crowned sovereign ruler, the KingPriest, over all of His Father`s great kingdom. This great ceremony will be heralded by angels and the Body of Christ who are also kingpriests. They will cast their crowns before Him in great adoration.

`the 24 elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, an d cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

“You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power; for you created all things and by your will they exist and were created.” (Rev. 4: 10 & 11)



What a glorious celebration that will be. I hope to be there.

Davy said:

The gathering of Christ's faithful will be on the last day when He descends from Heaven to go to Jerusalem, on earth. Revelation 5:10 says His elect will reign on the earth, not from up in the clouds. His throne is the throne of David promised Him, which is a earthly throne.

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Hi Davy,

Looking at Rev. 5: 10 we see that the Body of Christ in glory are singing a new song.

You are worthy....and have made us kings and priests to our God and we shall reign OVER the earth.` (Rev. 5: 10)

The Greek word is `epi` meaning OVER or on. Looking at all the scriptures relating to where the Body of Christ will go - it is to heaven, the highest, the on top calling.

The office of kingpriests are not on the earth. On the earth they have those offices separate.

Davy said:

If you will read that above verse as written, it says our Lord Jesus is sitting on the right hand of The Father's throne, and that until all enemies are made Christ's footstool. That means our Lord Jesus is not sitting on the throne promised Him yet.


The Rev.3:21 verse is the only example that suggests Jesus is sitting on The Father's throne already. Other examples that show differently are, like Hebrews 12:2; Hebrews 8:1; Ephesians 1:20; Luke 1:32; Isaiah 9:7; Jeremiah 33:15; etc.). So when you have just one verse without other Bible witnesses, what does that mean? And then when you have many Bible witnesses to the contrary, what does that mean?

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I agree the Lord Jesus has not moved to HIS OWN THRONE YET.

Rev. 3: 21 & Heb. 1: 3, & Eph. 1: 20 all at the right hand of the Father.

Davy said:

Important to pay attention of the details in the verse...

Rev 5:9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
KJV

That "and hast redeemed us" is past... tense. Means by that point Christ's Salvation has already come ON THE EARTH and His elect kings are priests are 'then' reigning on the earth. So that is NOT about a pre-trib rapture. That is for AFTER the tribulation.

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Hi Davy,

The offices of King and Priest are separate on the earth. The Body of Christ, however holds both offices. The Lord Himself is the High priest and thus there are other priests, and He is also King. Therefore He is the supreme Kingpriest, with His kingpriests, who are the Body of Christ.

Davy said:

Yes, that I am aware.

But are you aware of this?...

Zech 6:12-13
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
KJV

That served as the antitype of our Lord Jesus' future building of the temple and sitting upon His throne as KING and HIGH PRIEST. To this day, the orthodox unbelieving Jews believe Messiah will come to fulfill the building of that literal temple in Jerusalem.

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Thank you, yes I did know of that very interesting scripture. And that throne of the Lord, the KingPriest is in the highest heaven.

So do you know this scripture -

`For if He (Jesus) were on earth, He would NOT be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law.` (Heb. 8: 4)

keras said:

The Throne of God is wherever He wants it to be. As a spiritual concept, it isn't beholden to physical restraints.

Who will be our earthly priests?
Isaiah 66:21 and Revelation 5:10, tell us.
Also Ezekiel 44:15-16 specifies their lineage.

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God`s throne is eternal and BEYOND all crated realms as He made everything. His Holy Spirit is everywhere BUT His eternal authority and power is beyond all created things.

Davy said:

Yes, I'm familiar, which that is about the matter of our Lord Jesus being of a different tribe than that of the priests, so per the law of Moses Jesus could not serve an earthly priest ministry, not being born of the sons of Aaron. Jesus' Priesthood is a Heavenly one, at present.

However, that does not mean that will not be established here on earth when He returns, for it will be. His Heavenly Kingdom of the world to come is actually going to be established here, on earth. That is why He is still yet to inherit David's throne, because David's throne He is promised is an 'earthly' throne. God is not going to ever destroy this earth, but only cleanse its surface, just as He has done before, this last time using fire though.

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Jesus is the ROOT and the OFFSPRING of David. (Rev. 22: 16).

Jesus` seat of power and authority is NOT below where Lucifer ruled, or below the angels, or below anything.

`Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool.`(Isa. 66: 1)

Davy said:

Acts 1:9-12
9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, Which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven."
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
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Heaven will be right here on earth with the return of the full Godhead after the future "lake of fire" event of Rev.20. God's abode will then be on this earth, the new Jerusalem descending out of Heaven down to this earth, as written.

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Yes Jesus will come back to earth to deliver Israel and judge the nations. However He will not stay on the earth.

`God has GONE UP with a shout......for God is King OVER all the earth.` (Ps. 47)

And notice that the New Jerusalem come DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD.

`Then I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, COMING DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD...` (Rev. 21: 2)

Details are very important.

Davy said:

Yes, the details... for God's Word also says...

Ps 68:16-18
16 Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever.
17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
KJV

Acts 1:11
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
KJV

Jer 3:17
17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
KJV


In this thread, or another, I covered the point about new Jerusalem coming down to this earth from God out of Heaven. I even went into greater details than that. So all you're doing is just repeating some of what I said.

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And how does the Lord dwell through our His great kingdom, from the angelic realm through the Universe & on to His footstool, the earth? Yes, by His Holy Spirit.

And yes, Israel will see the Lord return on the Mount of Olives where the 12 disciples saw Him go. Remember the 12 disciples are the 12 rulers over the 12 tribes of Israel.

The word `throne,` means authority, for the Lord is not sitting on a chair type throne anywhere. His seat of power and authority is in the highest and not His footstool.

`Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1)

Davy said:

It kind of sounds like you don't really believe our Heavenly Father has a literal outward Image Likeness as Man, and that instead He is just some spiritual essence floating over the whole universe, which actually is the pagan system called Pantheism (i.e, idea that God is in everything and doesn't have an outward image likeness at all).

Who's Image and Likeness in Genesis 1:26-27 was He talking about then when He made Adam? Even the Archangel Gabriel's name means 'man of God'. It's because the image of 'man' originates from our Heavenly Father's Own Image Likeness, which is the image of man. This is why the sodomites in Genesis 19 saw the two angels that appeared to Lot with the outward image likeness of men. Same thing in Acts 1 with the two men in white apparel.

Even in the Revelation 5 chapter, our Heavenly Father sitting upon His Heavenly throne and Christ standing next to Him are shown as two entities that Apostle John saw (see Revelation 5:6-7 especially.)

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`God is a Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.` (John 4: 24)

We are made in the `likeness` of God, meaning, - our mind, will and emotions. The physical is but a `home` for those.

Rev. 5 is pictorial, for the Father is a Spirit and no one has or can see the Father.

`Not that anyone has seen the Father...` (John 6: 46)

So the picture of God the Father on the throne, means that God the Father has given the Son the authority (throne), that is `set` up in the angelic realm. No one else was found worthy. Remember that God`s throne, authority and power is beyond all created realms for they made them.

Non-profit Prophet said:

From where in scripture do you see this?

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Thank you for your question regarding what I said - I believe that the Body of Christ will be raptured to be part of the Lord`s coronation on His OWN THRONE.

We see the Lord`s coronation in Rev. 4 & 5 where God the Father gives the Son the throne, the authority in the angelic realm, the highest realm in all of God`s great kingdom. No one or any angel, has been ruler IN that realm since Lucifer was cast out. God ruled OVER ALL, but there has been NO visible ruler in that realm.

There was a search and no one was found worthy, in heaven, on the earth & under the earth. Why? Because the Son had returned to the Godhead, upon His ascension and there He was until the Father sent Him to gather His Body to Himself and bring them to the angelic realm.

`God the Father ....may send Jesus Christ....whom heaven must receive until the time of restoration of all things, of which God has spoken about by the mouth of all His Holy prophets since the world began.`(Acts 3: 20 & 21)

People have thought that it is just the earth that needs restoring, but even Job tells us that the heavens are not pure in His sight, (Job 15: 15) Thus there is more to restoring of all things than just the earth.

So in the Father`s timing He will send His Son to gather His Body and bring them to the angelic realm where they will take part in His coronation. Christ will be visibly acclaimed as the rightful ruler in all of God`s great kingdom. We know that the Lord was given all authority by the Father when He ascended to His right hand, (Eph. 1: 20 & 21) however that was over all, beyond all realms.

God the Father desires His Son, not just to rule from the Godhead beyond the created order but actually to visibly rule within the created order from the highest realm, the angelic realm. And with Him will be His Body, who are also crowned as Kingpriests. Christ is the Highpriest and thus there are other priests and when He is visibly crowned, then His Body will also - kingpriests.



Colossians tells us that rulership is a focus of `all things,` and that is what God is focussing on, rulership under Christ through every realm. (Eph. 1: 9 & 10)

`For by Him ALL THINGS were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether THRONES or dominions or principalities or powers. ALL THINGS were created through Him and FOR HIM.` (Col. 1: 16)