Socialism will send America into a season of wealth.

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This is the same flawed argument that others have tried to put forward. You all seem to be trying to avoid the patently obvious fact that taxation is both necessary and not theft by putting forward scenarios where taxation is abused. And that is not a legitimate counterargument.
Not a legitimate counterargument to the proposition that whatever a majority of voters approve cannot be unfair or violate anyone's rights???
 
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I have no arguments with you here, I think plenty a hatred exists everywhere and "all sides" and toward everyone right now, etc, more than enough to go around, etc...

I just don't think I want to pay what are the, IMO, the "real true too high costs (for me) involved" in "all of what it takes to be "considered truly successful" by "most of the rest of the people in this world", "in this world", etc, price is a little too high for me... I'm quite comfortable where I am at, and it hasn't cost me my soul (yet), etc, and so, I'm quite happy with and about that, etc...

I'm doing my best to stay out of it now as much as I can, I don't think anything can truly save us collectively long term at this point short of divine intervention, etc, socialism, capitalism, etc, doesn't matter, etc, as long as fallen man is in control and in charge, I don't think any of it is going to work, etc...

And I don't know when that is going to be (divine intervention), or what I might have to do or go through in the meantime, so I'd just like to be prepared, etc...

I'm very thankful for where I live, etc, things could get and be very very bad in the heavily populated areas or if you are anywhere near them if things were to get "really bad" ever, etc...

Not saying it's going to happen, just that it's a possibility, etc, and since I'm interested in it or that stuff anyway, and I think it's fun and cool, etc, no harm in learning and/or knowing more and being prepared, etc...

And it could just be a temporary regional or localized emergency or disaster or situation too, no harm in being prepared, right...? Stuff like that happens all of the time and could happen anywhere and at any given moment, etc...

God Bless!
Well, it is very wise to always be prepared, as you say you are doing, for Christ and His return; as He warns...WATCH!
 
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Socialist want to cherry pick scriptures about giving and use them to promote socialism. They dont do the same with things like homosexuality though. They would never make legislation that would ban homosexuality, so they are really just cherry picking.

Im not a socialist. I’m arguing against it...
 
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Jesus was fond of sinners and encouraged people to build up their neighbors.
Who is could be a better socialist than Jesus? Jesus spoke about self-management
of money more often than faith and prayer combined. Any ideas why?
Christ is THE King, not a socialist. If you think socialism is good, research Castro, Polpot, Mao Zedong, Stalin...the list goes on. Socialist ideas are wrong. Just because you and two other people in the room vote to hold a gun to my head and take money, doesn't make it right or even ethical. Christ preached personal responsibility, not social welfare in it's modern form. Should we care for those who cannot care for themselves, YES! Should we care for someone who is just plain lazy, NO!
 
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Christ is THE King, not a socialist. If you think socialism is good, research Castro, Polpot, Mao Zedong, Stalin...the list goes on. Socialist ideas are wrong.

You haven't done the research. None of those leaders were considered Socialists.
Of those that did use socialism, their intention was Communism.

Fidel Castro was no friend of socialism -
 
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You haven't done the research. None of those leaders were considered Socialists.
Of those that did use socialism, their intention was Communism.

Fidel Castro was no friend of socialism -
So you know for a fact I didn't do research? You're assuming. The Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics, was socialist...

As far the research:
The socialist mode of production, also referred to as the lower-stage of communism or simply socialism as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably, is a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations.

Hudis, Peter; Vidal, Matt, Smith, Tony; Rotta, Tomás; Prew, Paul, eds. (September 2018–June 2019). The Oxford Handbook of Karl Marx. "Marx's Concept of Socialism". Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0190695545. doi:10.1093/oxfordhb/9780190695545.001.0001.

You also ignored the other part of my statement, don't cherry pick.

Next?
 
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The gifts given to the poorer churches were not given out of compunction however. Here's what the believers were instructed about giving...
II Corinthians 9:7:
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
The fiery trial is unpleasant itself. Praise God for His Wisdom in Sharing. When everyone is born again, they have a special understanding.
 
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Jesus was fond of sinners and encouraged people to build up their neighbors.
Who is could be a better socialist than Jesus? Jesus spoke about self-management
of money more often than faith and prayer combined. Any ideas why?
Jesus was not a socialist.
People had to help themselves back then as they do now.
Socialism depends on the government for everything.
Jesus DID NOT depend on the Roman govt for anything since that was the ruling force back then.

Self-management is CAPITALISM.
Building OURSELVES up is CAPITALISM.

Learn the difference because socialism will ruin America...the greatest country on the face of the earth.
 
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Jesus was not a socialist.
People had to help themselves back then as they do now.
Socialism depends on the government for everything.

Socialism in your town creates everything that government already does provide for you. No government services that you currently use are based on Capitalism.

Water, sewer, building roads, city parks, police, fire protection, safety codes, the centers for disease control, etc.

Jesus DID NOT depend on the Roman govt for anything since that was the ruling force back then.
Except for laws, roads, water, land use for farmers making wheat, growing grapes, private property, and all the usual government protections and benefits.
Self-management is CAPITALISM.Building OURSELVES up is CAPITALISM. Learn the difference because socialism will ruin America...the greatest country on the face of the earth.

We can learn a lot from the Roman Empires failure to provide social programs.

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Socialism depends on the government for everything that government
already does provide for you. No government services that you currently
use are because of capitalism.

Water, sewer, building roads, city parks, police, fire protection, safety codes, the centers for disease control, etc.
Government services are paid for by taxing capitalism. Government pays for nothing. Socialism calls for the takeover of industry and it has failed every time
 
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Socialism in your town creates everything that government already does provide for you. No government services that you currently use are based on Capitalism.

Water, sewer, building roads, city parks, police, fire protection, safety codes, the centers for disease control, etc.



We can learn a lot from the Roman Empires failure to provide social programs.

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I really don't care to discuss a govt of 2,000 years ago.

How about sticking to today?

Are you familiar with socialism as is practiced in other countries?
Or are you just going by what you read or what Bernie Sanders promises you?

Do you know if I'm happy with socialized medicine?
Do you know if I even use it?

Do you know if I ever lived in the U.S. under a capitalist system?

Would you like to start over?
 
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I really don't care to discuss a govt of 2,000 years ago. How about sticking to today?

Then why did you bring up the subject Mr. Noodles?
Jesus was not a socialist. People had to help themselves back then as they do now. Socialism depends on the government for everything. Jesus DID NOT depend on the Roman govt for anything since that was the ruling force back then.

Ok. No more Roman benefits for you.....like "innocent until proven guilty."
No roads, no sewers.

Socialism in your town creates everything that government already does provide for you today and tomorrow afternoon. No government services that you currently use are based on Capitalism. Water, sewer, building roads, city parks, police, fire protection, safety codes, the centers for disease control, etc.

What Milwaukee Can Teach the Democrats about Socialism

How Did Socialist Mayors Impact Milwaukee?

When Socialists Swept Milwaukee
 
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Again, Government taxes capitalism. They make no money. How much do you want to pay ? Do you want the government to tell you where to worship ?

All the City parks in the world won't feed anyone.

They do in my city, as well as others.

Neighborhood Gardens - City of Milwaukee
Garden Rental – Extension Milwaukee County

How to turn a vacant lot into a community garden:
How Green is my Alley: Public Produce on Public Lands

I also have a plan to pay for public parks
maintenance by building
office space into the parks. The idea is that the benefits of the

natural settings would spill over into more use of the parks
and less stress for workers. But no additional paved parking.
 
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Again, Government taxes capitalism. They make no money.

"Capitalism" is not an entity. Government taxes property and income.

Having police, water, sewer, and roads is good for business. We call it "Infrastructure". These systems tend to be high-cost investments and are vital to a country's economic development and prosperity.
 
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Then why did you bring up the subject Mr. Noodles?


Ok. No more Roman benefits for you.....like "innocent until proven guilty."
No roads, no sewers.

Socialism in your town creates everything that government already does provide for you today and tomorrow afternoon. No government services that you currently use are based on Capitalism. Water, sewer, building roads, city parks, police, fire protection, safety codes, the centers for disease control, etc.

What Milwaukee Can Teach the Democrats about Socialism

How Did Socialist Mayors Impact Milwaukee?

When Socialists Swept Milwaukee
Mr. Noodles brought up the subject because Jesus lived 2,000 years ago and under the rule of the Roman Empire.

I don't need to read your links,,,but think twice before believing socialism is good.
You don't want to discuss?

OK.



 
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Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management of enterprises.
We had that in Germany.
When socialists* took over in the town of Bremen after WWI, there was famine shortly after and the mother of my grandmother died of some famine-related illness.
My grandmother had to grow up without her mother so then.
That was chaos.
We had Socialism in the German Democratic Republic, the former Eastern Germany.
They weren't Christian friendly. No wealth.
We don't want to have this again in Germany.
Thomas

* that was the so-called Spartakusbund. Spartacus League - Wikipedia
 
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