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In my view, psychology is a fraud, and only lines the pockets of the psychotherapists whose advice results in just more expensive psychotherapy, and the pockets of the shareholders in drug companies that tell us that taking their pills will help cure psychologist problems, which may not exist in the first place.
It's sort of odd that people who want to get customers would be teaching that a particular orientation actually isn't a problem at all and doesn't need treatment. It's the people who reject what is known about sexual orientation that push people into treatments that can't possibly succeed, but are definitely known to create harm.
 
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I doubt there's any one cause, but currently there's reason to think that's the largest contributor.
If it is a gene (which I doubt), then it has to be a mutant gene, corrupted in some way during the formation of the fetus. I believe it would be the same for the alcoholic "gene" (which I have the same doubts about). Also, some have isolated a cancer "gene", which I think is also a mutated corruption which causes normal cells to do their own thing rather than to follow the normal genetic code within them.
 
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If it is a gene (which I doubt), then it has to be a mutant gene, corrupted in some way during the formation of the fetus. I believe it would be the same for the alcoholic "gene" (which I have the same doubts about). Also, some have isolated a cancer "gene", which I think is also a mutated corruption which causes normal cells to do their own thing rather than to follow the normal genetic code within them.
Almost genes started out at some point as mutations. But since homosexuality occurs in many different people, and seems to have pretty similar characteristics in all of them, it's unlikely that it's a mutation in each individual.

Remember that evolution occurs in populations, not individuals. It may well be advantageous to the community as a whole to have a few individuals that aren't heterosexual. If it were a single, dominant gene, of course there would be no way for it to be passed on. But that is unlikely.

Cancer is different. There are lots of different kinds, and even in the same kind there are different mutations. That's why attacking cancers these days involve sequencing the genome to see which specific mutation is involved. In the end it's likely that lots of different treatments will be needed. The mutations can also be picked up over time, whereas homosexuality is generally believed to happen from birth. Again, however, the current theory places a heavier weight on epigenetic than genetic influences.
 
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I'd be interested if for people who support the right of parents to make homosexual children heterosexual, would they also support the opposite?

For example if a lesbian couple decided that any daughters they raise should share their sexuality?
That's not how sexuality works, it's hardly something you just choose in terms of the attraction, only in your behavior as responding to that. And the genetic aspect along with environmental is not an either/or, it's a complex set of factors
 
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First of all, I don't know the answer to this question, I saw it on a TV show. I feel like I've been asleep the past 20 years when I did some subsequent reading about what they're learning about genetics, and chemical science.

Now they can target a gene in your body like eye color among others and invent medicine to either enhance or kill that gene. This is likely how different cancers will be cured.

If there is a gay gene, potentially someone will be able to make a medication to either turn it off or enhance it. The same gene in women would also make them attracted to men in theory. So a person could turn up their sex drive or others potentially.

Would it be moral to take a pill to hinder your attraction to men? Women etc? Would it be moral to give it to your kids? SHould a parent be able to get a gay vaccination for their son if he start "acting funny?"

Many may believe it's a godsend. A lot of the same people wouldn't believe in altering your genetic code at the same time.

If it had been found to be safe for at least 10 years I would probably take it if I liked men that way. Not because I hate gays but I'd rather just be as normal as possible in most regards. Neither being gay nor altering my DNA would sit right with me.

Can a person be born gay?~~~> Can a person be born gay? | GotQuestions.org
 
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There are psychologists who are teaching that a person can be born gay and another can be born straight. Under that influence, a person who has gay tendencies may believe that he is gay and there is no option for him. After all, an expert with a PhD in Psychology should know what he's talking about! But then, the principal founders of psychology were all atheists and their theories disallowed any kind of divine foothold.

In my view, psychology is a fraud, and only lines the pockets of the psychotherapists whose advice results in just more expensive psychotherapy, and the pockets of the shareholders in drug companies that tell us that taking their pills will help cure psychologist problems, which may not exist in the first place.
I must admit, I have opinions that were informed by some psychology theories.

I completely agree that the philosophy of psychology has replaced religion for many people. I think the big 2 (Freud and Jung) have given us a way of looking at ourselves as patients. It is a secular philosophy about behavior, the self, motivation, and ii's viewed without the concepts of sin, divine judgement or God's help.

So in psychiatry homosexuality is seen as normal because so many otherwise normal people have those desires and many participate in it.

I think the industry has no need to categorize that behavior as an identity as much as a desire with ir without action. In my decades I have never known anyone with that attraction who didn't give in to it at some point. Most people would be astonished how many sneak and do it. The psychology part is trying to not hate yourself while you do it.
 
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Some homosexuals received Christ, were cleansed of their sins and did no more homosexual acts.
With God's help, we can change any behavior, especially sindul ones
 
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That's not how sexuality works, it's hardly something you just choose in terms of the attraction, only in your behavior as responding to that. And the genetic aspect along with environmental is not an either/or, it's a complex set of factors
I know that.

The thread was about a hyperthetical process that could change sexualities.
 
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If it is a gene (which I doubt), then it has to be a mutant gene, corrupted in some way during the formation of the fetus. I believe it would be the same for the alcoholic "gene" (which I have the same doubts about). Also, some have isolated a cancer "gene", which I think is also a mutated corruption which causes normal cells to do their own thing rather than to follow the normal genetic code within them.

I like the idea that my homosexuality is the result of a mutant gene. I can finally join the X-Men after all!
 
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I like the idea that my homosexuality is the result of a mutant gene. I can finally join the X-Men after all!
Could be similar to diarrhoea - runs in the jeans!
 
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I would be interested to know if you support rights of parents to seek surgery, to correct birth defects, for their children. Would you also support a parent's right to surgically mutilate a normal child?
I don't, but many people do.

My example in my earlier post was of modification of intersex infants to make them look more normal, but often damages their ability to develop sexually, sometimes leading to gender dysphoria.
 
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First of all, I don't know the answer to this question, I saw it on a TV show. I feel like I've been asleep the past 20 years when I did some subsequent reading about what they're learning about genetics, and chemical science.

Now they can target a gene in your body like eye color among others and invent medicine to either enhance or kill that gene. This is likely how different cancers will be cured.

If there is a gay gene, potentially someone will be able to make a medication to either turn it off or enhance it. The same gene in women would also make them attracted to men in theory. So a person could turn up their sex drive or others potentially.

Would it be moral to take a pill to hinder your attraction to men? Women etc? Would it be moral to give it to your kids? SHould a parent be able to get a gay vaccination for their son if he start "acting funny?"

Many may believe it's a godsend. A lot of the same people wouldn't believe in altering your genetic code at the same time.

If it had been found to be safe for at least 10 years I would probably take it if I liked men that way. Not because I hate gays but I'd rather just be as normal as possible in most regards. Neither being gay nor altering my DNA would sit right with me.


Think about this. What would happen if the medication was used on anyone without their permission or knowledge?
I believe that God is the creator and he alone is in charge of it. Gay gene do not exists. We are made in the image of God. We can change feelings/emotion but not the creation
The medicine will not work on true children of God if it existed.

Romans 1:24-28 says "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient"

I have also heard about a company in USA that is trying to develop/create a gay gene. God is just giving them over to a reprobate mind. Let us stay firm in our believes as Christians. AMEN
 
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I'd be interested if for people who support the right of parents to make homosexual children heterosexual, would they also support the opposite?

For example if a lesbian couple decided that any daughters they raise should share their sexuality?
Or how about if we find a "treatable" genetic component that predisposes people to religious beliefs?
 
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Think about this. What would happen if the medication was used on anyone without their permission or knowledge?
I believe that God is the creator and he alone is in charge of it. Gay gene do not exists. We are made in the image of God. We can change feelings/emotion but not the creation
The medicine will not work on true children of God if it existed.

Romans 1:24-28 says "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient"

I have also heard about a company in USA that is trying to develop/create a gay gene. God is just giving them over to a reprobate mind. Let us stay firm in our believes as Christians. AMEN
So if you are a true Christian, you will not have a same sex attraction? I'm not sure I can go along with that 100% People have told me the same thing about my depression. If I truly gave my cares to God and trusted him to fill my heart with the presence of the Holy spirit, the depression can't survive.

I think we have imperfect bodies and the mind is part of the body. God can help us live with our imperfections, he can and does even cure certain conditions, mental and physical. In his sovereign nature he chooses what, who and when to cure people. I agree that we should always turn to God for our help, however, I think conditions can still persist in baptized, believing people. Turning to God gives us the best tools to live with those conditions (like same sex attraction) but I believe some people will struggle their whole lives with desires and thoughts they can't control of many kinds.

You and the Bible are very correct that a relationship with God is the best treatment for a reprobate mind. People will change their whole gender surgically and the secular medical community will say they are changing to their true gender. A believer knows that your true gender is the one you were born with.

In the days they were talking about the Pagans they run into and "Pagans" do everything from orgies to cannibalism. When the true God was revealed. People learned how to act like civilized people with some simple rules to live by that don't allow us to debauch ourselves.
 
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First of all, I don't know the answer to this question, I saw it on a TV show. I feel like I've been asleep the past 20 years when I did some subsequent reading about what they're learning about genetics, and chemical science.

Now they can target a gene in your body like eye color among others and invent medicine to either enhance or kill that gene. This is likely how different cancers will be cured.

If there is a gay gene, potentially someone will be able to make a medication to either turn it off or enhance it. The same gene in women would also make them attracted to men in theory. So a person could turn up their sex drive or others potentially.

Would it be moral to take a pill to hinder your attraction to men? Women etc? Would it be moral to give it to your kids? SHould a parent be able to get a gay vaccination for their son if he start "acting funny?"

Many may believe it's a godsend. A lot of the same people wouldn't believe in altering your genetic code at the same time.
the first issue is that one's orientation is such a complex and multifaceted thing there is no way a single gene could be responsible. It would have to involve dozens or hundreds of separate genes. Just like there are no black genes but dozens or hundreds of genes working together.

Second i truly doubt that even if all the gene's responsible were identified and a cocktail drug could be manufactured to "turn off" those genes, it wouldn't work. One's orientation is hard wired in and all evidence shows that this is done before birth. It's very likely that those genes aren't active in adults at all.

Third given the first two things my worry would be that the above information would be used to test either infants or fetuses and euthanize any child with the gay genes

If it had been found to be safe for at least 10 years I would probably take it if I liked men that way. Not because I hate gays but I'd rather just be as normal as possible in most regards. Neither being gay nor altering my DNA would sit right with me.
being gay is normal
 
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