Futurist Only End times in Isaiah

Nancy2 · Feb 28, 2020

Hello all,
I pray that you are all keeping well.
I have a theory for preterist thinking.
In Isaiah, it mentions the millennium kingdom, in which people who die at a hundred years old will be considered young. I understand that Abraham and Moses we're old when they died but they weren't considered young.
This has to apply to the millennium kingdom which hasn't come yet.
God bless
Nancy

Danigt22 · Feb 28, 2020

I dont think the scriptures can verify your statement, but after the millennium we will have a new glorify spiritual body. Just as Jesus has one.

Dave L · Feb 28, 2020

Nancy2 said:
Hello all,
I pray that you are all keeping well.
I have a theory for preterist thinking.
In Isaiah, it mentions the millennium kingdom, in which people who die at a hundred years old will be considered young. I understand that Abraham and Moses we're old when they died but they weren't considered young.
This has to apply to the millennium kingdom which hasn't come yet.
God bless
Nancy

Jesus taught against the millennium. It is a Pharisee doctrine. Jesus says the kingdom is spiritual and eternal, not 1000 years.

Nancy2 · Feb 28, 2020

Thanks for your replies.
The scripture I am referring to is Isaiah 65:20.
I believe that Jesus promised a place in the millennium kingdom, as when one of the disciples mother asked if they could sit at the top table, as it were, in the kingdom, Jesus didn't rebuke her. When Jesus spoke about cutting off your hand rather than be thrown in Gehenna, (the valley of Hinnom)He meant that Gehenna will be operating again in His kingdom. He will be ruling with a rod of iron at that time.
Nancy

Nancy2 · Feb 28, 2020

Nancy2 said:
Thanks for your replies.
The scripture I am referring to is Isaiah 65:20.
I believe that Jesus promised a place in the millennium kingdom, as when one of the disciples mother asked if they could sit at the top table, as it were, in the kingdom, Jesus didn't rebuke her. When Jesus spoke about cutting off your hand rather than be thrown in Gehenna, (the valley of Hinnom)He meant that Gehenna will be operating again in His kingdom. He will be ruling with a rod of iron at that time.
Nancy

keras · Feb 28, 2020

Dave L said:
Jesus taught against the millennium. It is a Pharisee doctrine. Jesus says the kingdom is spiritual and eternal, not 1000 years.

This is error.
Revelation 20 plainly states there will be a 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth.
It will be His reward, as He stated in Luke 13:32b

It also fits the exact thousand year periods of history so far, giving a total of 7000 years of God's decreed time for mankind.

Re Isaiah 65:20; That verse plainly says there will be deaths during the Millennium. But people will generally live for much longer.
Only after the Millennium, at the GWT Judgment, is Death no more and all those whose names are found in the Book of Life, will receive immortality. Revelation 21:1-7, 1 Corinthians 15:50-56

Dave L · Feb 28, 2020

keras said:
This is error.
Revelation 20 plainly states there will be a 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth.
It will be His reward, as He stated in Luke 13:32b

It also fits the exact thousand year periods of history so far, giving a total of 7000 years of God's decreed time for mankind.

Re Isaiah 65:20; That verse plainly says there will be deaths during the Millennium. But people will generally live for much longer.
Only after the Millennium, at the GWT Judgment, is Death no more and all those whose names are found in the Book of Life, will receive immortality. Revelation 21:1-7, 1 Corinthians 15:50-56

I just realized this is a "futurist" thread only. I have a solid rebuttal but will provide it in another thread sometime.

DavidPT · Feb 28, 2020

Dave L said:
I just realized this is a "futurist" thread only. I have a solid rebuttal but will provide it in another thread sometime.

You're an Amil, right? If yes, don't most Amils typically believe the new heavens and new earth in Isaiah 65 are future still? If yes again, how does that disqualify you from participating in a Futurist Only thread?

Dave L · Feb 29, 2020

DavidPT said:
You're an Amil, right? If yes, don't most Amils typically believe the new heavens and new earth in Isaiah 65 are future still? If yes again, how does that disqualify you from participating in a Futurist Only thread?

All of the kingdom prophecies are fulfilled in Christ. Present as he preached it and continuing into the New Heavens and earth. The Millennium is a pharisee doctrine Jesus refuted time and again.

Danigt22 · Feb 29, 2020

Dave L said:
All of the kingdom prophecies are fulfilled in Christ. Present as he preached it and continuing into the New Heavens and earth. The Millennium is a pharisee doctrine Jesus refuted time and again.

I heard something about the zionist, wanting to control the world for a thousand year. Seeing how brutal Israel is right now, I can believe that theory about zionism being real.

DavidPT · Feb 29, 2020

Dave L said:
All of the kingdom prophecies are fulfilled in Christ. Present as he preached it and continuing into the New Heavens and earth. The Millennium is a pharisee doctrine Jesus refuted time and again.

For example, Justin Martyr lived close to the days of the Apostles, and that he believed in this alleged pharisee doctrine, and was eventually beheaded. So where did he get his understanding from at the time? From pharisees? Why was he beheaded for his faith in Jesus if he was following pharisee doctrines?

keras · Feb 29, 2020

The Jewish State of Israel will be gone and only a remnant will survive on the Day the Lord strikes to world with His terrible punishment of fire from the sun. Isaiah 30:26-30
Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe betide Ariel, Jerusalem……when another year has passed with its full round of feasts, I shall reduce her to dire straits…… and then I shall make her My fire Altar. REB

Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe to you Ariel, Jerusalem! Add year to year and let your cycle of festivals go on, yet I will besiege Ariel…..she will be to Me like an Altar hearth. NIV

Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe to Ariel, Jerusalem…..add year to year, let them kill sacrifices. Yet I will distress Ariel…..there will be sorrow and it shall be to Me as a fire Altar. KJV

Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe to Ari’el, Jerusalem! Celebrate the feasts for a few more years…..then she will become as a fire Altar for Me. CJB

Then Isaiah 29:5-8 goes on to say how the Lord will also destroy the enemies with a sudden punishment of thunder, earthquakes and flames of devouring fire. Joel 1:15
This all relates to the Sixth Seal forthcoming Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath against the nations.

Oberamagau · Feb 29, 2020

Dave L said:
Jesus taught against the millennium. It is a Pharisee doctrine. Jesus says the kingdom is spiritual and eternal, not 1000 years.

1,000 years is mentioned 6 times in Revelation. You're telling me that 1,000 years is NOT 1,000 years when the period is said to...

1. Bind Satan for 1,000 years so that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

During - and after 1,000 years isn't 1,000 years????

2. Those who enter this 1,000 years - "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." But that's not 1,000 years????

3. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

IF a 1,000 year time period is said to have finished...I believe it was a 1,000 year period that ended.

4. If we are to reign with Christ a thousand years....

"and shall reign with him a thousand years."

And then only to have Satan loosed again for a short time AFTER the 1,000 years...

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,...

I have to believe this is a literal 1,000 years period.

Danigt22 · Feb 29, 2020

Oberamagau said:
1,000 years is mentioned 6 times in Revelation. You're telling me that 1,000 years is NOT 1,000 years when the period is said to...

1. Bind Satan for 1,000 years so that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

During - and after 1,000 years isn't 1,000 years????

2. Those who enter this 1,000 years - "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." But that's not 1,000 years????

3. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

IF a 1,000 year time period is said to have finished...I believe it was a 1,000 year period that ended.

4. If we are to reign with Christ a thousand years....

"and shall reign with him a thousand years."

And then only to have Satan loosed again for a short time AFTER the 1,000 years...

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,...

I have to believe this is a literal 1,000 years period.

What are thoughts about the 144 000 being the anointed ones to survive the antichrist reign

Oberamagau · Feb 29, 2020

Danigt22 said:
What are thoughts about the 144 000 being the anointed ones to survive the antichrist reign

They are likely Jews who enter the Millennial reign....the 1,000 years. There's another group that also enters determined by the 'sheep and goats judgment'.

Oberamagau · Feb 29, 2020

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Nancy2 said:
Hello all,
I pray that you are all keeping well.
I have a theory for preterist thinking.
In Isaiah, it mentions the millennium kingdom, in which people who die at a hundred years old will be considered young. I understand that Abraham and Moses we're old when they died but they weren't considered young.
This has to apply to the millennium kingdom which hasn't come yet.
God bless Nancy

Isaiah talks far more about the Millennial kingdom than any other prophet. The book has 66 chapters many of which have been neglected and written off as FULFILLED by futurist. I'm convinced that there are over 12 chapters - maybe more - that are unfulfilled which speak about the 1,000 years.

Dave L · Mar 1, 2020

Oberamagau said:
1,000 years is mentioned 6 times in Revelation. You're telling me that 1,000 years is NOT 1,000 years when the period is said to...

1. Bind Satan for 1,000 years so that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

During - and after 1,000 years isn't 1,000 years????

2. Those who enter this 1,000 years - "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." But that's not 1,000 years????

3. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

IF a 1,000 year time period is said to have finished...I believe it was a 1,000 year period that ended.

4. If we are to reign with Christ a thousand years....

"and shall reign with him a thousand years."

And then only to have Satan loosed again for a short time AFTER the 1,000 years...

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,...

I have to believe this is a literal 1,000 years period.

The 1000 years are not the Kingdom. Satan attacks the Kingdom when the 1000 years end. You are reading a Pharisaic interpretation into Revelation adding to God's words.

Dave L · Mar 1, 2020

DavidPT said:
For example, Justin Martyr lived close to the days of the Apostles, and that he believed in this alleged pharisee doctrine, and was eventually beheaded. So where did he get his understanding from at the time? From pharisees? Why was he beheaded for his faith in Jesus if he was following pharisee doctrines?

Jesus taught against an earthly kingdom many times in the gospels. It's easy to walk by sight instead of faith. And this alone makes a physical kingdom idea popular. But whatever is not of faith is sin.

summerville · Mar 1, 2020

Nancy2 said:
Hello all,
I pray that you are all keeping well.
I have a theory for preterist thinking.
In Isaiah, it mentions the millennium kingdom, in which people who die at a hundred years old will be considered young. I understand that Abraham and Moses we're old when they died but they weren't considered young.
This has to apply to the millennium kingdom which hasn't come yet.
God bless
Nancy

Nope. He's talking about the tribulation.

The Jewish Christians who fled to Pella escaped the sorrows of war, their non-Christian brethren did not. Concerning the famine induced by the siege of Jerusalem, Josephus writes:

Then did the famine widen its progress, and devoured the people by whole houses and families; the upper rooms were full of women and children that were dying by famine, and the lanes of the city were full of the dead bodies of the aged; the children also and the young men wandered about the market-places like shadows, all swelled with the famine, and fell down dead, wheresoever their misery seized them.The Wars of the Jews

Oberamagau · Mar 1, 2020

Dave L said:
The 1000 years are not the Kingdom. Satan attacks the Kingdom when the 1000 years end. You are reading a Pharisaic interpretation into Revelation adding to God's words.

You've explained nothing.
I'm adding to God's Words? Does that mean I'm going to burn in hell forever?

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