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Susan · Mar 21, 2003

I hope I got that right, I posted it in haste because dinner's almost ready. If there is anything factually errant (not errant because it opposes KJVO but in a misquote or improper citation) don't get upset: just tell me about it and please wait for me to come back and fix it whenever I can.

Julie · Mar 23, 2003

Any verse or chapter in a King James Bible is more authoritative than any set of books that any scholar wrote about them.

The Thadman · Mar 23, 2003

Today at 08:31 AM Julie said this in Post #142

Any verse or chapter in a King James Bible is more authoritative than any set of books that any scholar wrote about them.

In your opinion, what written material is more authoritative than the KJV?

Mo Shlomo?

Susan · Mar 24, 2003

This thread's nominated.

Jesusong · Mar 24, 2003

Julie · Mar 25, 2003

I Timothy 3:16

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Notice how the King James is very clear in telling us WHO was manifest in the flesh: GOD was manifest in the flesh. Now watch the new perversions throw God clear out of the verse:

NIV....... He appeared in a body

NASB... He who was revealed in the flesh

NRSV... He was revealed in flesh

REB...... He was manifested in the flesh

LB......... who came to earth as a man

NWT..... He was made manifest in the flesh

NAB...... He was manifested in the flesh

Ioustinos · Mar 25, 2003

Today at 10:07 AM Julie said this in Post #146

I Timothy 3:16

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Notice how the King James is very clear in telling us WHO was manifest in the flesh: GOD was manifest in the flesh. Now watch the new perversions throw God clear out of the verse:

NIV....... He appeared in a body

NASB... He who was revealed in the flesh

NRSV... He was revealed in flesh

REB...... He was manifested in the flesh

LB......... who came to earth as a man

NWT..... He was made manifest in the flesh

NAB...... He was manifested in the flesh

Actually Julie when looking at the Greek text we find that the word "Os" is the word being used. The Greek word "Os" is a relative pronoun that is often translated as: who, which, what, that. So if it is not there in the verse then how are the new translations "throwing God out"? Because a strict literal translation would be, "....mystery of godliness: Who was manifest in the flesh...."

Jesaiah

ksen · Mar 25, 2003

10th September 2002 at 12:41 AM CoreIssue said this in Post #11

Nor are they the most accurate. The most accurate are the smallest body of the Minority Manuscripts. The Neutral Texts.

And they do not agree with the Majority Text. They are older and purer because they were hidden dormant in an isolated region for centuries avoiding the tamperings of the RCC.

Like the one found in the trash can?

But, God is great! He promised to preserve every law and teaching. Not preserve everything word for word.

So much for Jesus' promise about not one jot or tittle passing from the Law.

And not one teaching is absent or in disagreement between any of the translations.

How do you know?

This is a big subject. And one that should not divide the Body of Christ.

I agree with you here.

ksen · Mar 25, 2003

11th January 2003 at 01:30 AM Jesaiah said this in Post #70

PS. I can't wait until LOTR: The Return of the King

266 days 7 hours 26 seconds until RoTK, but who's counting?

The Thadman · Mar 25, 2003

Today at 10:07 AM Julie said this in Post #146

I Timothy 3:16

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Notice how the King James is very clear in telling us WHO was manifest in the flesh: GOD was manifest in the flesh. Now watch the new perversions throw God clear out of the verse:

NIV....... He appeared in a body

NASB... He who was revealed in the flesh

NRSV... He was revealed in flesh

REB...... He was manifested in the flesh

LB......... who came to earth as a man

NWT..... He was made manifest in the flesh

NAB...... He was manifested in the flesh

The Greek MSS don't support that reading.

The KJV translators mistranslated the texts they were using.

There are plenty more verses that prove the divinity of the Messiah than this one, but don't let your theology influence your clinging to one bible translation over another.

Try the words if Paul, himself in their original language, "Moryo hoo Yeshu' " : "Jesus is The LORD"

Shlomo! (Peace!)

The Thadman · Mar 25, 2003

Today at 03:49 PM ksen said this in Post #148
So much for Jesus' promise about not one jot or tittle passing from the Law.

The manuscripts are there. They've been there for 2000 years, but most of the western world doesn't know of them :-D

Shlomo! (Peace!)

romans8 · Mar 25, 2003

Today at 05:43 PM The Thadman said this in Post #150

The Greek MSS don't support that reading.

Thank you. It always grieves my spirit when I see a KJVonly or that same attitude make comments from a lack of knowledge. If only they had a better understanding of the facts.

Julie · Mar 27, 2003

What should be my final authority in life?
The King James Bible, the NIV or the Greek?  

   

 

1 sam 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

Ioustinos · Mar 27, 2003

Today at 12:42 PM Julie said this in Post #153

What should be my final authority in life?
The King James Bible, the NIV or the Greek?  

   

 

1 sam 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

Well, since the KJV would not exist without the Greek, then I would say the Greek manuscripts.

The Thadman · Mar 27, 2003

Today at 12:42 PM Julie said this in Post #153

What should be my final authority in life?
The King James Bible, the NIV or the Greek?  

   

 

1 sam 2:3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.

I trust the Aramaic for approx 24 books of the NT, and the rest of the NT Greek, and all books of the OT in Hebrew except portions of Daniel and Ezra.

Shlomo!

Jesusong · Mar 29, 2003

What should be my final authority in life?
The King James Bible, the NIV or the Greek?

  

It doesn't matter which Bible translation you choose for your final authority as long as you understand the message that is coming across. We cannot force the Bible ( NIV, KJV, NASB, etc. ) to fit our preconceived doctrines of faith. Rather, our doctrines must conform to what the Bible teaches, and when we have a hard time understanding what the Bible is teaching, then we look to the original languages, ( Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. ) . Everything must be done in context otherwise it will not flow properly. Some translations are going to be weak in certain areas, some are going to be strong. When yu can see five different ways of saying the same thing within the right context, then the more enriching that passage or verse becomes to you. At that point is when you experience the word of God becoming alive within you. Lets not put limitations on God. When we do, then He can't move in our lives like He would want to, and we are the ones who lose out.

 

I'm noticing that I'm rambling on here, I hope I'm making sense. :pray:

kelco · Mar 29, 2003

Amen Jesusong!!! :clap:

OldShepherd · Mar 29, 2003

26th March 2003 at 05:32 AM Jesaiah said this in Post #147

Actually Julie when looking at the Greek text we find that the word "Os" is the word being used. The Greek word "Os" is a relative pronoun that is often translated as: who, which, what, that. So if it is not there in the verse then how are the new translations "throwing God out"? Because a strict literal translation would be, "....mystery of godliness: Who was manifest in the flesh...."
Jesaiah

And oV/os is a reflexive pronoun which never stands alone but refers back to the immediate preceding noun in the proper case, which just happens to be qeoV/theos." And theos appears in several manuscripts.

OldShepherd · Mar 29, 2003

Yesterday at 08:42 AM The Thadman said this in Post #155

I trust the Aramaic for approx 24 books of the NT, and the rest of the NT Greek, and all books of the OT in Hebrew except portions of Daniel and Ezra.
Shlomo!

There is no credible evidence that the entire N.T. was written in Aramaic. Four of the ECF record that Matthew was written in either Aramaic or Hebrew.

Ezra · Mar 29, 2003

27th March 2003 at 05:42 PM Julie said this in Post #153 What should be my final authority in life?
The King James Bible, the NIV or the Greek

For all intents and purposes, you can confidently consider the KJV 1611 A.D. as *the Word of God* in English, and be totally confident that there are no attempts here to paraphrase or to incorporate corruptions into the Word.  ALL other modern English versions are corruptions because they rely on corrupted underlying Hebrew and Greek texts. The AV (KJV) and ALL Reformation Bibles go back to the Masoretic [traditional] Text in Hebrew and the Majority [traditional] Text in Greek. 

Since most of us are not students of Hebrew and Greek we can rely on the word-for-word translation in the KJV, which even italicizes [slants] the words added by the translators to complete the thought or to help the reader.  In other words, you could even omit reading the italicized words if you so chose, although rarely if ever is that necessary.

All modern versions go back to the emended Kittel's Biblia Hebraica for Hebrew and the modified Westcott-Hort texts for the Greek.  These are corrupt. Thus The NIV is one of the major corrupt paraphrases of God's Word and has changed doctrine in its translations of many passages. Numerous omissions are also present, and some of great doctrinal significance.

DO NOT BELIEVE THOSE WHO CLAIM THAT ANY BIBLE VERSION IS O.K. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE, and I have personally researched this.

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