Why do dispensationalists chop up the bible into different ages?

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I think you answered your own question. I am interested in how you differentiate an act and a belief.

Is is possible that a person can come to God based on belief in what Jesus did at the cross and not based on any act that they did?
well believing in christ does not save. Intellectual assent Christ is God's son, or even that He is saviour does not save. Satan would be saved if that is the case, satan has all that composes of saving faith, other than the trust aspect and the repentance. So when we come to Christ we turn from sin, and turn to the saviour. We cast down the idols we are worshipping, money, sex, power and come to the Cross.
 
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The when is secondary to the how or what God was doing. But there is a when to every dispensation. God governed Adam and Eve differently before the fall than after! So there was a start and an end. I focus on the how but know there still is a when.

The names also are secondary. But they do describe the basic condition during that dispensation. Adam and Eve were innocent of evil until theu disobeyed. So the title is just simply there to describe the state at the time!
I am hoping you'll look deeper into what I originally posted where I proved from scripture that the term dispensation in scripture NEVER refers to what you are trying to say, which is the same as what I was taught growing up.

In scripture, a dispensation is an ASSIGNMENT

that has an authority and ONE person under that authority that is receiving the instructions that comprise the dispensation. Never does one person's dispensation apply to anyone else nor to mankind as a whole.

(Notice there I limited myself to "in scripture", meaning nothing more than a dispensation could be delivered to a team of servants or employees, but you only have examples in scripture where the dispensation is assigned to ONE person.)
 
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I am hoping you'll look deeper into what I originally posted where I proved from scripture that the term dispensation in scripture NEVER refers to what you are trying to say, which is the same as what I was taught growing up.

In scripture, a dispensation is an ASSIGNMENT

that has an authority and ONE person under that authority that is receiving the instructions that comprise the dispensation. Never does one person's dispensation apply to anyone else nor to mankind as a whole.

(Notice there I limited myself to "in scripture", meaning nothing more than a dispensation could be delivered to a team of servants or employees, but you only have examples in scripture where the dispensation is assigned to ONE person.)
here are the dispensations, while I question whether one can call them dispensations, they are various agreements with God and man, and the requirements are all different and the penalties for non conformity are also different but I thought I would post it:

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The Dispensations

I. Innocence

A. The Covenant

Location of man--in the Garden of Eden, Genesis 1,2.

Content of the Covenant, Genesis 1:27-31; 2:15-17. "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth." To work the Garden of Eden and take care of it. “You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it, you will surely die."

B. Man's Failure--Genesis 3:1-7.

Eve allowed herself to be deceived by Satan and ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil then gave it to Adam.

They realized they were sinners and tried to cover their naked ness with fig leaves (symbolic of works).

They rationalized and displaced blame for their sin to the serpent. This was the beginning of mechanisms of defense or ego defenses.

C. God's response to their sin, Genesis 3:14-24.

He banished them from Eden, vs. 23.

He cursed the ground and introduced toil to labor, vs. 17.

Pain in childbearing and man's rule over his wife, vs. 16.

Physical death, vs. 19. The day they ate, they began to die.

D. Grace and Salvation.

The first promise of a Redeemer, Genesis 3:15. (The seed of the woman--Christ. The first sacrifice, Genesis 3:21. Innocent life for the guilty (an animal).

The way to the tree of life is guarded, 3:24.

II. Conscience

A. The Covenant

The location of man outside the Garden.

Content of the Covenant.

It begins in Genesis 4:7. Man is to live and let conscience be his guide. If he does not do well, sin lies at his door ready to pounce on him.

B. Man's failure.

The first murder — Cain killed Abel, Genesis 4:8.

Cain's lack of faith in the offering he brought.

Sons of God took the daughters of men and cohabited with them. Genesis 6:2-5. See also 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. The result of this sort of union was great wickedness in the earth and a contamination of the human race. God was sorry that He made man.

C. God's judgment upon the earth, Genesis 7.

The flood destroyed all but Noah and his family.

D. Grace and Salvation.

The sacrificial system was established--See Abel's offering.

The birth of Methuselah suggests the longsuffering of God. The name Methuselah means "when he is dead, it shall come." This man lived longer than any man has ever lived. The year he died, the flood came, Genesis 5:21.

The ark was a type of Christ. It had only one door of entrance. It was the only refuge from the ravages of judgment that God sent to destroy the earth. Entrance to the ark was open to all. One only had to enter the ark to be spared.

Immediately after the flood, the length of man's life was shortened, taking away longer years for man to get himself into more difficulty.

Enoch walked with God and God took him. He was the father of

Methuselah, Genesis 5:24. Enoch was like believers who will be alive when the Lord returns. They will never die.

III.Human

A. The Covenant

Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth, Genesis 9:1.

Capital punishment — a life for a life — was established,

Genesis 9:6-7.

God will never again destroy the entire earth with water,

Genesis 9:11-17. He set a rainbow in the heavens to remind Himself of this promise.

B. Man's failure

Noah's drunkenness, Genesis 9:20-21 (though he may not have known the wine would make him drunk).

Man gathered in rebellion against God and in disobedience to His command. They deliberately violated His command to disperse and cover the entire earth.

Man built a tower in defiance of God...Babel.

C. God's punishment, Genesis 11:6-9

He confused their languages so they wouldn't understand each other and therefore would have to go elsewhere.

The place was called Babel, and here different languages began.

D. Grace and salvation.

The sacrificial system and shedding of blood spoke of salvation by grace.

IV. Promise

Up to this point, God had dealt with larger groups of people. Now He turns to one man, Abraham.

A. The Covenant, Genesis 12:1-3.

Abraham would leave his family.

He would go to a place God would show him.

God would make Abraham a great nation.

God would bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him.

This was an unconditional covenant.

B. Abraham's failure.

His obedience was incomplete.

He took Lot, his nephew, who was to be a source of difficulty for him. Genesis 12:4; 13:1-18; 14:1-24; Chapter 18.

Abraham fled to Egypt when there was a famine in the land of plenty.

Abraham took Hagar, an Egyptian handmaiden, for a wife. Genesis 16.

C. God's punishment or response. Slavery in Egypt.

The book of Genesis begins with God and ends in a "coffin in Egypt".

D. Salvation and grace are seen in the justifying and giving righteousness to Abraham, Genesis 15:6. He was justified by faith. Joseph, a person, exemplified and typified Christ.

V. Dispensation of Law

A. The Covenant, Exodus 19-20. Jehovah, Who had borne them on eagles' wings, (grace) Exodus 19:4, was now giving the law.

"Keep my covenant and be a treasured people among all nations."

The response of the people, Exodus 19:8, "we will do everything the Lord has said."

The Lord gave the LAW.

Please observe: the law immediately separated Israel from God, Exodus 19:12-14. And so is its effect today in the world.

The purpose of the giving of the law.

To hold us prisoners and lead us to Christ, Galatians 3:23-24.

We become conscious of sin, Romans 3:20.

The law enables us to see the sinfulness of sin, Romans 7:7-12.

It seems that the law was never given for the purpose of giving life, but rather for the purpose of helping man see his sinfulness and failure more clearly.

B. Man's failure.

Exodus 32:15-35. While Moses was getting the law, Israel was practicing idolatry and worshipping the golden calf.

Continual failure and unbelief on the part of Israel, during the period of the judges and kings. There was a continual return to idolatry.

The crucifixion of the Savior sent by the Father--the rejection of the Messiah of Israel, Matthew 27:32-56.

C. God's punishment for failure.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by Titus.

The removal of Israel from her land of promise.

The cutting off of the natural branches and the grafting in of the wild olive branches, Romans 11. Salvation is come to the Gentiles.

D. Salvation and grace is seen through the sacrificial system. The Passover lamb and its ultimate fulfillment in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God's providing.

VI. Dispensation of The Church

Time: From the day of Pentecost to the second coming of Jesus to reign in His kingdom.

A. Covenant with man, Acts 16:31. "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household."

B. Man's failure — The majority of the world lies in darkness and has rejected the direct message of the grace of God.

C. The punishment for man's failure — Daniel's 70th week, Daniel 9, the Great Tribulation, Revelation 4-19. The Tribulation is the fulfillment of the yet unfulfilled prophecy relating to the 70th week of Daniel's prophetic vision. See the book of Daniel in the Old Testament.

D. Grace and salvation. Man is saved by believing in and placing hope for eternity in the Son of God, the Lamb of God's providing. The Church, which did not fail during this time is delivered from the final punishment and taken to heaven, Revelation 3:10; 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17; 2 Thessalonians 2:7; John 14:1-3.

The Holy Spirit in the Church, which has been the Restrainer of the working of the mystery of iniquity, 2 Thessalonians 2:7, will be taken out of the way before the beginning of the Tribulation. This will set the stage for the final drama which will culminate in the Great Tribulation and the return of the Lord to smite the antichrist and the binding of Satan for 1,000 years.

VII. The Kingdom

The Millennial Reign of Christ over the Earth

This is the last of the arrangements God has with men and it will involve the personal reign of Jesus Christ over the earth. At last, the King is here! Men have long said, "If only Jesus were here in person, things would be different." Now He is here!

A. The covenant with men, Matthew 25:31-46, (the judgment of the living nations who enter the kingdom and millennial reign) Revelation 20:1-6.

Satan bound for 1,000 years so he cannot deceive the nations.

Christ will reign from Jerusalem on the throne of David.

The first resurrection (all dead believers including Israel and the Church).

Glorified and unglorified people will be together on the earth.

War will end, Isaiah 2:1-5.

The former curse will be lifted, Isaiah 11:1-9.

These are only a few of the blessings involved in the covenant made during the kingdom age.

B. The FAILURE of men, Revelation 20:7-9.

Satan is released for a little while at the end of this time. Once again men are deceived by him, and they gather themselves to do battle against Jesus the King and His saints. It makes no difference if Jesus is here or not. Men are yet the same. With Satan again loose to lead rebellion against God, that rebellion comes.

C. The JUDGMENT of God, Revelation 20:9-15.

God's dealings in judgment result in fire that destroys Satan’s armies, and the Great White Throne Judgment, which is the final judgment before the eternal state and the New Jerusalem.

D. Grace and salvation —There is no indication that there will be any other method of salvation during the Kingdom than has characterized all time. The Risen King and Sacrificial Lamb will be here. Jesus is the only Way, the Truth and the Life, John 14:6."

above from:
Appendix: An Introduction To Dispensational Teaching | Bible.org
 
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Dispensation can have to do with dispensing something.

What does God dispense?

grace

I would say there are different ways He has dispensed His grace, at different times in history.

In the case of Adam and Eve, God's grace did not keep them from disobeying God. But there are people who have been kept from disobeying God. And we can trust Him to keep us from disobeying Him, plus we can submit to how He works in us to will and to do what He wants >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

This is what Paul says, right after he says the Philippians became more obedient to God in Paul's absence, than they were while in Paul's presence.

But this can not be said about Adam and Eve. In the absence of the LORD they did not become more and more obedient. And now, even though Jesus is in Heaven, we can be becoming more and more obedient, because God gives increase.

But we can see how during earlier times some number of people of God did not always become more and more obedient. Noah didn't. David didn't. Solomon didn't. Elijah didn't. Peter didn't.

Possibly after these men's failures, they then became growing in obedience. It certainly seems to me that Peter changed and then grew in Christ, even after he failed like he did, denying Jesus and we can see Galatians 2:11-13.

So, how God's grace is succeeding is what matters, in any case. We can be in the present dispensation of grace, but are we benefiting from this grace the way which is possible with God?

What I understand is that now is when God is changing people to be conformed to the image of Jesus, and we are growing in this with one another, ministering the grace of this to one another > 1 Peter 4:9-10 < if we are functioning as members of Jesus and of one another. Plus, we are now experiencing how God's love effects us > Romans 5:5 > while we are being pleasing to our Father by being gentle and quiet in His love >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

Plus, we are personally submitting to how our Father personally rules each of us in His own peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, I would say our main question needs to be if we are living in this grace which has us living and loving and submitting to God, like the New Testament says to do. And then the question is does this come purely by faith, or with works included and necessary?

Well, is preaching and teaching this necessary? Do we need to pray for this and take action to minister God's grace to one another? Is it essential that we do exactly what God has us doing, at any time?

I would say there are works what are necessary, which God has had His people doing.

But the grace causing us to do His works comes first through faith, then the grace causes us to do certain works which minister this grace. So, I would say such works are necessary, whichever God causes and uses.

So, we are talking about what God causes, by means of "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6).

So, I do not mean copy-cat religious works, but what God personally has us doing to minister His own grace to change us to become and love like Jesus in submission to God our Father in His own peace shared with us and ruling us.
 
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here are the dispensations, while I question whether one can call them dispensations, they are various agreements with God and man, and the requirements are all different and the penalties for non conformity are also different but I thought I would post it:

"
The Dispensations

I. Innocence

A. The Covenant

Location of man--in the Garden of Eden, Genesis 1,2.

Content of the Covenant, Genesis 1:27-31; 2:15-17. "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth." To work the Garden of Eden and take care of it. “You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it, you will surely die."

B. Man's Failure--Genesis 3:1-7.

Eve allowed herself to be deceived by Satan and ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil then gave it to Adam.

They realized they were sinners and tried to cover their naked ness with fig leaves (symbolic of works).

They rationalized and displaced blame for their sin to the serpent. This was the beginning of mechanisms of defense or ego defenses.

C. God's response to their sin, Genesis 3:14-24.

He banished them from Eden, vs. 23.

He cursed the ground and introduced toil to labor, vs. 17.

Pain in childbearing and man's rule over his wife, vs. 16.

Physical death, vs. 19. The day they ate, they began to die.

D. Grace and Salvation.

The first promise of a Redeemer, Genesis 3:15. (The seed of the woman--Christ. The first sacrifice, Genesis 3:21. Innocent life for the guilty (an animal).

The way to the tree of life is guarded, 3:24.

II. Conscience

A. The Covenant

The location of man outside the Garden.

Content of the Covenant.

It begins in Genesis 4:7. Man is to live and let conscience be his guide. If he does not do well, sin lies at his door ready to pounce on him.

B. Man's failure.

The first murder — Cain killed Abel, Genesis 4:8.

Cain's lack of faith in the offering he brought.

Sons of God took the daughters of men and cohabited with them. Genesis 6:2-5. See also 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. The result of this sort of union was great wickedness in the earth and a contamination of the human race. God was sorry that He made man.

C. God's judgment upon the earth, Genesis 7.

The flood destroyed all but Noah and his family.

D. Grace and Salvation.

The sacrificial system was established--See Abel's offering.

The birth of Methuselah suggests the longsuffering of God. The name Methuselah means "when he is dead, it shall come." This man lived longer than any man has ever lived. The year he died, the flood came, Genesis 5:21.

The ark was a type of Christ. It had only one door of entrance. It was the only refuge from the ravages of judgment that God sent to destroy the earth. Entrance to the ark was open to all. One only had to enter the ark to be spared.

Immediately after the flood, the length of man's life was shortened, taking away longer years for man to get himself into more difficulty.

Enoch walked with God and God took him. He was the father of

Methuselah, Genesis 5:24. Enoch was like believers who will be alive when the Lord returns. They will never die.

III.Human

A. The Covenant

Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth, Genesis 9:1.

Capital punishment — a life for a life — was established,

Genesis 9:6-7.

God will never again destroy the entire earth with water,

Genesis 9:11-17. He set a rainbow in the heavens to remind Himself of this promise.

B. Man's failure

Noah's drunkenness, Genesis 9:20-21 (though he may not have known the wine would make him drunk).

Man gathered in rebellion against God and in disobedience to His command. They deliberately violated His command to disperse and cover the entire earth.

Man built a tower in defiance of God...Babel.

C. God's punishment, Genesis 11:6-9

He confused their languages so they wouldn't understand each other and therefore would have to go elsewhere.

The place was called Babel, and here different languages began.

D. Grace and salvation.

The sacrificial system and shedding of blood spoke of salvation by grace.

IV. Promise

Up to this point, God had dealt with larger groups of people. Now He turns to one man, Abraham.

A. The Covenant, Genesis 12:1-3.

Abraham would leave his family.

He would go to a place God would show him.

God would make Abraham a great nation.

God would bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him.

This was an unconditional covenant.

B. Abraham's failure.

His obedience was incomplete.

He took Lot, his nephew, who was to be a source of difficulty for him. Genesis 12:4; 13:1-18; 14:1-24; Chapter 18.

Abraham fled to Egypt when there was a famine in the land of plenty.

Abraham took Hagar, an Egyptian handmaiden, for a wife. Genesis 16.

C. God's punishment or response. Slavery in Egypt.

The book of Genesis begins with God and ends in a "coffin in Egypt".

D. Salvation and grace are seen in the justifying and giving righteousness to Abraham, Genesis 15:6. He was justified by faith. Joseph, a person, exemplified and typified Christ.

V. Dispensation of Law

A. The Covenant, Exodus 19-20. Jehovah, Who had borne them on eagles' wings, (grace) Exodus 19:4, was now giving the law.

"Keep my covenant and be a treasured people among all nations."

The response of the people, Exodus 19:8, "we will do everything the Lord has said."

The Lord gave the LAW.

Please observe: the law immediately separated Israel from God, Exodus 19:12-14. And so is its effect today in the world.

The purpose of the giving of the law.

To hold us prisoners and lead us to Christ, Galatians 3:23-24.

We become conscious of sin, Romans 3:20.

The law enables us to see the sinfulness of sin, Romans 7:7-12.

It seems that the law was never given for the purpose of giving life, but rather for the purpose of helping man see his sinfulness and failure more clearly.

B. Man's failure.

Exodus 32:15-35. While Moses was getting the law, Israel was practicing idolatry and worshipping the golden calf.

Continual failure and unbelief on the part of Israel, during the period of the judges and kings. There was a continual return to idolatry.

The crucifixion of the Savior sent by the Father--the rejection of the Messiah of Israel, Matthew 27:32-56.

C. God's punishment for failure.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by Titus.

The removal of Israel from her land of promise.

The cutting off of the natural branches and the grafting in of the wild olive branches, Romans 11. Salvation is come to the Gentiles.

D. Salvation and grace is seen through the sacrificial system. The Passover lamb and its ultimate fulfillment in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God's providing.

VI. Dispensation of The Church

Time: From the day of Pentecost to the second coming of Jesus to reign in His kingdom.

A. Covenant with man, Acts 16:31. "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household."

B. Man's failure — The majority of the world lies in darkness and has rejected the direct message of the grace of God.

C. The punishment for man's failure — Daniel's 70th week, Daniel 9, the Great Tribulation, Revelation 4-19. The Tribulation is the fulfillment of the yet unfulfilled prophecy relating to the 70th week of Daniel's prophetic vision. See the book of Daniel in the Old Testament.

D. Grace and salvation. Man is saved by believing in and placing hope for eternity in the Son of God, the Lamb of God's providing. The Church, which did not fail during this time is delivered from the final punishment and taken to heaven, Revelation 3:10; 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17; 2 Thessalonians 2:7; John 14:1-3.

The Holy Spirit in the Church, which has been the Restrainer of the working of the mystery of iniquity, 2 Thessalonians 2:7, will be taken out of the way before the beginning of the Tribulation. This will set the stage for the final drama which will culminate in the Great Tribulation and the return of the Lord to smite the antichrist and the binding of Satan for 1,000 years.

VII. The Kingdom

The Millennial Reign of Christ over the Earth

This is the last of the arrangements God has with men and it will involve the personal reign of Jesus Christ over the earth. At last, the King is here! Men have long said, "If only Jesus were here in person, things would be different." Now He is here!

A. The covenant with men, Matthew 25:31-46, (the judgment of the living nations who enter the kingdom and millennial reign) Revelation 20:1-6.

Satan bound for 1,000 years so he cannot deceive the nations.

Christ will reign from Jerusalem on the throne of David.

The first resurrection (all dead believers including Israel and the Church).

Glorified and unglorified people will be together on the earth.

War will end, Isaiah 2:1-5.

The former curse will be lifted, Isaiah 11:1-9.

These are only a few of the blessings involved in the covenant made during the kingdom age.

B. The FAILURE of men, Revelation 20:7-9.

Satan is released for a little while at the end of this time. Once again men are deceived by him, and they gather themselves to do battle against Jesus the King and His saints. It makes no difference if Jesus is here or not. Men are yet the same. With Satan again loose to lead rebellion against God, that rebellion comes.

C. The JUDGMENT of God, Revelation 20:9-15.

God's dealings in judgment result in fire that destroys Satan’s armies, and the Great White Throne Judgment, which is the final judgment before the eternal state and the New Jerusalem.

D. Grace and salvation —There is no indication that there will be any other method of salvation during the Kingdom than has characterized all time. The Risen King and Sacrificial Lamb will be here. Jesus is the only Way, the Truth and the Life, John 14:6."

above from:
Appendix: An Introduction To Dispensational Teaching | Bible.org

The seven dispensations are declared to be as follows:


v Dispensation of Innocence

v Dispensation of Conscience

v Dispensation of Human Government

v Dispensation of Promise

v Dispensation of Law

v Dispensation of Grace

v Dispensation of the Millennial

In the four passages in the Bible where the word “dispensation” occurs time is not a factor. The word means literally “administration” or “stewardship” and in context has reference to the gospel being dispersed. Paul was entrusted with the gospel in order to dispense it to the Gentiles.

Dispensationalism teaches God has two people, two plans, two bodies; one called the church the other called Israel. There is a separate destiny for each.

Continued in depth.

Dispensationalism and C
 
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The seven dispensations are declared to be as follows:


v Dispensation of Innocence

v Dispensation of Conscience

v Dispensation of Human Government

v Dispensation of Promise

v Dispensation of Law

v Dispensation of Grace

v Dispensation of the Millennial

In the four passages in the Bible where the word “dispensation” occurs time is not a factor. The word means literally “administration” or “stewardship” and in context has reference to the gospel being dispersed. Paul was entrusted with the gospel in order to dispense it to the Gentiles.

Dispensationalism teaches God has two people, two plans, two bodies; one called the church the other called Israel. There is a separate destiny for each.

Continued in depth.

Dispensationalism and C
The biggest fault of those denying the dispensations is something called replacement theology. Namely taking all of the promises for physical Israel and placing them on the Christian Church. There are hundreds of hermeneutical failures of covenant theologians but for sake of brevity, I wanted to point out the most obvious. The Bible is very clear God is not done with Israel. Some people are dispensationalists simply because they DO VIEW GOD HAS TWO PEOPLE.
 
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The biggest fault of those denying the dispensations is something called replacement theology. Namely taking all of the promises for physical Israel and placing them on the Christian Church. There are hundreds of hermeneutical failures of covenant theologians but for sake of brevity, I wanted to point out the most obvious. The Bible is very clear God is not done with Israel. Some people are dispensationalists simply because they DO VIEW GOD HAS TWO PEOPLE.

Dispensationalism was/is a way of promoting Christian Zionism.

Samuel Untermyer paid for the writing of the Scofield Bible and its publication.

Samuel Untermyer was the chief Zionist architect of the 1930’s, and he helped create enmity toward the German Jewish community.

Samuel Untermyer’s speech made on WABC, declaring a ‘holy war’ by the Jews against Germany, and appealing to the masses of non-Jewish humanity to boycott German-made imports and all merchants who have German-made items. Read the speech he gave from Madison Square Garden in the Spring of 1933.

Samuel Untermyer - Wikipedia
 
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The biggest fault of those denying the dispensations is something called replacement theology. Namely taking all of the promises for physical Israel and placing them on the Christian Church.
No sir. Each and every promise to Israel was conditional (Jeremiah 18:6-10). Israel failed to keep the terms of the covenant. So God owes Israel nothing.
 
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Dispensationalism was/is a way of promoting Christian Zionism.

Samuel Untermyer paid for the writing of the Scofield Bible and its publication.

Samuel Untermyer was the chief Zionist architect of the 1930’s, and he helped create enmity toward the German Jewish community.

Samuel Untermyer’s speech made on WABC, declaring a ‘holy war’ by the Jews against Germany, and appealing to the masses of non-Jewish humanity to boycott German-made imports and all merchants who have German-made items. Read the speech he gave from Madison Square Garden in the Spring of 1933.

Samuel Untermyer - Wikipedia
yeah, it's not a bad movement:

here are other proponents, this is just a sample:
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source:
Christian Zionism - Wikipedia
 
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No sir. Each and every promise to Israel was conditional (Jeremiah 18:6-10). Israel failed to keep the terms of the covenant. So God owes Israel nothing.

The tribulation in Palestine was beyond horrible according to Josephus so it does appear that the days of vengeance are punishment for Israel. During the 7 years before the fall of Masada Israel was a nightmare.. Jews were fighting each other and the Romans. Roman troops joined by foreign garrisons from Egypt, Syria and Arabia.. Zealots running amok (Galilleans, Idumeans)

"But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you... Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them..." 1 Kings 9:5-9, Mal 3:1-5


Jesus' Prophecy:
"Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." Mat 23:34-36.

Its also possible that the Jews interpreted the long period of the bloody civil war as punishment from God.. The way some Christians today interpret a weather event like a hurricane as punishment from God. Like Dispensationalist Jerry Falwell used to do.
 
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No sir. Each and every promise to Israel was conditional (Jeremiah 18:6-10). Israel failed to keep the terms of the covenant. So God owes Israel nothing.

You are so very very wrong!

Jeremiah 31: 31- 37 is a very unconditional covenant God made with the whole house of Israel!

Also teh Palestinian Covenant and Davidic covenants are unconditional to Israel. The only conditional covenant God made with Israel was the Mosaic Covenant which was rendered null and void upon the death and resurrection of Jesus!
 
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The tribulation in Palestine was beyond horrible according to Josephus so it does appear that the days of vengeance are punishment for Israel. During the 7 years before the fall of Masada Israel was a nightmare.. Jews were fighting each other and the Romans. Roman troops joined by foreign garrisons from Egypt, Syria and Arabia.. Zealots running amok (Galilleans, Idumeans)

"But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you... Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them..." 1 Kings 9:5-9, Mal 3:1-5


Jesus' Prophecy:
"Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." Mat 23:34-36.

Its also possible that the Jews interpreted the long period of the bloody civil war as punishment from God.. The way some Christians today interpret a weather event like a hurricane as punishment from God. Like Dispensationalist Jerry Falwell used to do.

Yes the Roman siege and destruction of Jerusalem was the fulfilment of part of the Olivet Discourse.

LUKE 21:
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This is the Judgment fulfilled for Israel blaspheming the Holy Spirit in Matthew 12. Jesus promised the kingdom would be taken away and it was. This also fulfilled OT prophecies as well. the rest of thte Olivet discourse is future.
 
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You are so very very wrong!

Jeremiah 31: 31- 37 is a very unconditional covenant God made with the whole house of Israel!

Also teh Palestinian Covenant and Davidic covenants are unconditional to Israel. The only conditional covenant God made with Israel was the Mosaic Covenant which was rendered null and void upon the death and resurrection of Jesus!
Why didn't you deal with Jeremiah 18:6-10? God said that whenever he speaks a word to Israel regarding planting them as a kingdom and they do evil that he will REPENT of the good he said he would do. This means that you must take this word with you into Jeremiah 31.
 
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here are the dispensations, while I question whether one can call them dispensations, they are various agreements with God and man, and the requirements are all different and the penalties for non conformity are also different but I thought I would post it:

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The Dispensations

I. Innocence

A. The Covenant

Location of man--in the Garden of Eden, Genesis 1,2.

Content of the Covenant, Genesis 1:27-31; 2:15-17. "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth." To work the Garden of Eden and take care of it. “You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it, you will surely die."

B. Man's Failure--Genesis 3:1-7.

Eve allowed herself to be deceived by Satan and ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil then gave it to Adam.

They realized they were sinners and tried to cover their naked ness with fig leaves (symbolic of works).

They rationalized and displaced blame for their sin to the serpent. This was the beginning of mechanisms of defense or ego defenses.

C. God's response to their sin, Genesis 3:14-24.

He banished them from Eden, vs. 23.

He cursed the ground and introduced toil to labor, vs. 17.

Pain in childbearing and man's rule over his wife, vs. 16.

Physical death, vs. 19. The day they ate, they began to die.

D. Grace and Salvation.

The first promise of a Redeemer, Genesis 3:15. (The seed of the woman--Christ. The first sacrifice, Genesis 3:21. Innocent life for the guilty (an animal).

The way to the tree of life is guarded, 3:24.

II. Conscience

A. The Covenant

The location of man outside the Garden.

Content of the Covenant.

It begins in Genesis 4:7. Man is to live and let conscience be his guide. If he does not do well, sin lies at his door ready to pounce on him.

B. Man's failure.

The first murder — Cain killed Abel, Genesis 4:8.

Cain's lack of faith in the offering he brought.

Sons of God took the daughters of men and cohabited with them. Genesis 6:2-5. See also 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. The result of this sort of union was great wickedness in the earth and a contamination of the human race. God was sorry that He made man.

C. God's judgment upon the earth, Genesis 7.

The flood destroyed all but Noah and his family.

D. Grace and Salvation.

The sacrificial system was established--See Abel's offering.

The birth of Methuselah suggests the longsuffering of God. The name Methuselah means "when he is dead, it shall come." This man lived longer than any man has ever lived. The year he died, the flood came, Genesis 5:21.

The ark was a type of Christ. It had only one door of entrance. It was the only refuge from the ravages of judgment that God sent to destroy the earth. Entrance to the ark was open to all. One only had to enter the ark to be spared.

Immediately after the flood, the length of man's life was shortened, taking away longer years for man to get himself into more difficulty.

Enoch walked with God and God took him. He was the father of

Methuselah, Genesis 5:24. Enoch was like believers who will be alive when the Lord returns. They will never die.

III.Human

A. The Covenant

Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth, Genesis 9:1.

Capital punishment — a life for a life — was established,

Genesis 9:6-7.

God will never again destroy the entire earth with water,

Genesis 9:11-17. He set a rainbow in the heavens to remind Himself of this promise.

B. Man's failure

Noah's drunkenness, Genesis 9:20-21 (though he may not have known the wine would make him drunk).

Man gathered in rebellion against God and in disobedience to His command. They deliberately violated His command to disperse and cover the entire earth.

Man built a tower in defiance of God...Babel.

C. God's punishment, Genesis 11:6-9

He confused their languages so they wouldn't understand each other and therefore would have to go elsewhere.

The place was called Babel, and here different languages began.

D. Grace and salvation.

The sacrificial system and shedding of blood spoke of salvation by grace.

IV. Promise

Up to this point, God had dealt with larger groups of people. Now He turns to one man, Abraham.

A. The Covenant, Genesis 12:1-3.

Abraham would leave his family.

He would go to a place God would show him.

God would make Abraham a great nation.

God would bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him.

This was an unconditional covenant.

B. Abraham's failure.

His obedience was incomplete.

He took Lot, his nephew, who was to be a source of difficulty for him. Genesis 12:4; 13:1-18; 14:1-24; Chapter 18.

Abraham fled to Egypt when there was a famine in the land of plenty.

Abraham took Hagar, an Egyptian handmaiden, for a wife. Genesis 16.

C. God's punishment or response. Slavery in Egypt.

The book of Genesis begins with God and ends in a "coffin in Egypt".

D. Salvation and grace are seen in the justifying and giving righteousness to Abraham, Genesis 15:6. He was justified by faith. Joseph, a person, exemplified and typified Christ.

V. Dispensation of Law

A. The Covenant, Exodus 19-20. Jehovah, Who had borne them on eagles' wings, (grace) Exodus 19:4, was now giving the law.

"Keep my covenant and be a treasured people among all nations."

The response of the people, Exodus 19:8, "we will do everything the Lord has said."

The Lord gave the LAW.

Please observe: the law immediately separated Israel from God, Exodus 19:12-14. And so is its effect today in the world.

The purpose of the giving of the law.

To hold us prisoners and lead us to Christ, Galatians 3:23-24.

We become conscious of sin, Romans 3:20.

The law enables us to see the sinfulness of sin, Romans 7:7-12.

It seems that the law was never given for the purpose of giving life, but rather for the purpose of helping man see his sinfulness and failure more clearly.

B. Man's failure.

Exodus 32:15-35. While Moses was getting the law, Israel was practicing idolatry and worshipping the golden calf.

Continual failure and unbelief on the part of Israel, during the period of the judges and kings. There was a continual return to idolatry.

The crucifixion of the Savior sent by the Father--the rejection of the Messiah of Israel, Matthew 27:32-56.

C. God's punishment for failure.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by Titus.

The removal of Israel from her land of promise.

The cutting off of the natural branches and the grafting in of the wild olive branches, Romans 11. Salvation is come to the Gentiles.

D. Salvation and grace is seen through the sacrificial system. The Passover lamb and its ultimate fulfillment in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God's providing.

VI. Dispensation of The Church

Time: From the day of Pentecost to the second coming of Jesus to reign in His kingdom.

A. Covenant with man, Acts 16:31. "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household."

B. Man's failure — The majority of the world lies in darkness and has rejected the direct message of the grace of God.

C. The punishment for man's failure — Daniel's 70th week, Daniel 9, the Great Tribulation, Revelation 4-19. The Tribulation is the fulfillment of the yet unfulfilled prophecy relating to the 70th week of Daniel's prophetic vision. See the book of Daniel in the Old Testament.

D. Grace and salvation. Man is saved by believing in and placing hope for eternity in the Son of God, the Lamb of God's providing. The Church, which did not fail during this time is delivered from the final punishment and taken to heaven, Revelation 3:10; 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17; 2 Thessalonians 2:7; John 14:1-3.

The Holy Spirit in the Church, which has been the Restrainer of the working of the mystery of iniquity, 2 Thessalonians 2:7, will be taken out of the way before the beginning of the Tribulation. This will set the stage for the final drama which will culminate in the Great Tribulation and the return of the Lord to smite the antichrist and the binding of Satan for 1,000 years.

VII. The Kingdom

The Millennial Reign of Christ over the Earth

This is the last of the arrangements God has with men and it will involve the personal reign of Jesus Christ over the earth. At last, the King is here! Men have long said, "If only Jesus were here in person, things would be different." Now He is here!

A. The covenant with men, Matthew 25:31-46, (the judgment of the living nations who enter the kingdom and millennial reign) Revelation 20:1-6.

Satan bound for 1,000 years so he cannot deceive the nations.

Christ will reign from Jerusalem on the throne of David.

The first resurrection (all dead believers including Israel and the Church).

Glorified and unglorified people will be together on the earth.

War will end, Isaiah 2:1-5.

The former curse will be lifted, Isaiah 11:1-9.

These are only a few of the blessings involved in the covenant made during the kingdom age.

B. The FAILURE of men, Revelation 20:7-9.

Satan is released for a little while at the end of this time. Once again men are deceived by him, and they gather themselves to do battle against Jesus the King and His saints. It makes no difference if Jesus is here or not. Men are yet the same. With Satan again loose to lead rebellion against God, that rebellion comes.

C. The JUDGMENT of God, Revelation 20:9-15.

God's dealings in judgment result in fire that destroys Satan’s armies, and the Great White Throne Judgment, which is the final judgment before the eternal state and the New Jerusalem.

D. Grace and salvation —There is no indication that there will be any other method of salvation during the Kingdom than has characterized all time. The Risen King and Sacrificial Lamb will be here. Jesus is the only Way, the Truth and the Life, John 14:6."

above from:
Appendix: An Introduction To Dispensational Teaching | Bible.org
The items in your list are not assignments, therefore they cannot be dispensations. Easy as that. You're still not listening.

Look, I was raised to believe just like you are posting, so I know where you're coming from. But it is not the Bible. You haven't given me a single verse to counter my several verses I posted above where I prove that a dispensation is an assignment.
 
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again the "day of atonement" did atone for sin. That does not mean they removed sin, but it covered them, it atoned for sin, and they could be forgiven "And he shall do with the bull as he did with the bull as a sin offering; thus he shall do with it. So the priest shall make atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them. (Leviticus 4:20)" So sacrifice did forgive sin, albeit temporarily. So my response is this.....why do levitical sacrifice at all? Why not just say a messiah will come and be a sacrifice. And if you believe in him you are saved?

Why do it? Because God wanted it! Al I can say with bibliocal authority is that He ordered it and it was a type and shadow and ocvered sin and allowed for forgiveness experientially. but it never removed sin. Anything else is musings that are right anywhere form 0 to 100% and I could not guess as to how much.

God has doen many things and never gave us the reasons He opted to do them.
 
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I am hoping you'll look deeper into what I originally posted where I proved from scripture that the term dispensation in scripture NEVER refers to what you are trying to say, which is the same as what I was taught growing up.

In scripture, a dispensation is an ASSIGNMENT

that has an authority and ONE person under that authority that is receiving the instructions that comprise the dispensation. Never does one person's dispensation apply to anyone else nor to mankind as a whole.

(Notice there I limited myself to "in scripture", meaning nothing more than a dispensation could be delivered to a team of servants or employees, but you only have examples in scripture where the dispensation is assigned to ONE person.)
Well I do not know what you mean by an assignment. So yu ou need to define how you use that term so I do not misunderstand.

Also there was one dispensation that was given to one person to govern all mankind- The Noahic.

The rainbow is still valid. The prohibition against eating blood, and capital punishment for murder are all still valid.

Once again we can clearly see and divide Scriptures in how God governed mankind under a dispensation/economy/stewardship/ and I think assignment. Dispensational hermeneutics keeps a believer from wrongly dividing the word of truth and applying for example something God had for Israel alone in the OT and giving it to the church.

Created to worship gasve you an excellent breakdown of the dispensations, the covenants associated with each dispensation and so on.
 
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Why didn't you deal with Jeremiah 18:6-10? God said that whenever he speaks a word to Israel regarding planting them as a kingdom and they do evil that he will REPENT of the good he said he would do. This means that you must take this word with you into Jeremiah 31.

Because the Repenting God would do are things He said in the past not the future. But in Chapter 31 God says He will do something in the futrure despite Israels failure. Do not throw out basic grammar when you read the Bible.
 
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Because the Repenting God would do are things He said in the past not the future. But in Chapter 31 God says He will do something in the futrure despite Israels failure. Do not throw out basic grammar when you read the Bible.
God said that WHENEVER he speaks about planting them as a kingdom and they do evil and do not repent that he will REPENT of the good he said he would do. Chapter 31 says nothing about God doing it "despite Israel's failure." The covenant was made to the WHOLE houses Judah and of Israel, not just the last generation of them before Christ comes. The fact that they have been dispossessed for the last 2,000 years totally disproves your "unconditional" theory.

Even Peter said that the restoration of the kingdom was CONDITIONAL upon their repentance.

19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins MAY be wiped out, that the times of refreshing MAY come from the Lord, 20 and that he MAY send the Christ, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the times come for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Repent... that your sins MAY be wiped out... that the the times of refreshing MAY come... that he MAY send Jesus....
 
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