Socialism will send America into a season of wealth.

SkyWriting · Feb 28, 2020

Albion said:
Shouldn't that be a request for any evidence that Jesus was a Socialist? That was the claim that launched this thread.

What's The Difference Between Socialism And Communism?
Everything Jesus ever had to say about Money: Part 1 (Matthew)
Everything Jesus ever had to say about Money: Part 2 (Mark)
http://www.bob-buehler.com/2011/01/everything-jesus-ever-had-to-say-about-money-part-3-luke/

Athanasius377 · Feb 28, 2020

Socialist Steps On Another Rake Insisting That 79 Previous Attempts Weren't REAL Stepping On A Rake

Albion · Feb 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
He was 100% political. But not for an earthly kingdom.

LOL. Well, if we start making words mean whatever we want them to mean...and we tell ourselves that selecting one or several online definitions of whatever it is we're after will substitute for serious and in-depth study...there's no telling what we can come up with, is there?

QvQ · Feb 28, 2020

Albion said:
You're right, of course. Jesus was not political. In addition, there was no Socialism until recent history. All the claims that admirers of modern Socialism make about earlier movements leave out parts of what makes Socialism what it is.

Jesus never told anyone to take his neighbors goods and redistribute those goods to whoever needed them. Jesus did not condone theft by any name
Tribal economic systems 1) a man makes an arrowhead, he trades that for a piece of meat according to the value each places on that item 2) A man makes an arrowhead, he gives it to the tribal elders to distribute according to need. A man hunts meat, he give it to the elders to distribute.
1) Free Market Capitalism 2) Socialism.
Black markets are the True economics in Socialism because the value is set by the market no matter what the system. I was in Russian during Perestroika. The stores were empty but anything and everything could be and was bartered on the street. Socialism appropriates goods and services using force to get the goods to distribute according to need. That is involuntary Tithing.
Goods and services taken at the point of a King's sword, even if used for "charity" or the good of all is theft.

friend of · Feb 28, 2020

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat...

redleghunter · Feb 28, 2020

Albion said:
LOL. Well, if we start making words mean whatever we want them to mean...and we tell ourselves that selecting one or several online definitions of whatever it is we're after will substitute for serious and in-depth study...there's no telling what we can come up with, is there?

Indeed.

Hammster · Feb 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
I think we all know that one:

16 So they brought it, and He asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they answered. 17 Then Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” And they marveled at Him.

That tells us to pay taxes. That’s not socialism.

St_Worm2 · Feb 28, 2020

Biblical "Socialism" :scratch:

The Lord commanded land owners to provide for the poor/needy (see the two OT passages below), but if the poor/needy wanted something to eat, they had to work.

Leviticus 19
9 When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest.
10 Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 24
20 When you beat the olives from your trees, do not go over the branches a second time. Leave what remains for the alien, the fatherless and the widow.
21 When you harvest the grapes in your vineyard, do not go over the vines again. Leave what remains for the alien, the fatherless and the widow.

--David
p.s. - and things didn't change in the NT.

2 Thessalonians 3
10 If a man will not work, he shall not eat.
.

Maria Billingsley · Feb 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Jesus was fond of sinners and encouraged people to build up their neighbors.
Who is could be a better socialist than Jesus? Jesus spoke about self-management
of money more often than faith and prayer combined. Any ideas why?

Jesus Christ of Nazareth came for one reason "to save the world from sin". One can put labels on our Lord however He remains God in the Flesh our Lord and Savior. We can "use" Him and His love for humanity to push many flesh driven agendas or we can spread Christ's teaching of LOVE. If it is not loving then it is not from Him.

Aussie Pete · Feb 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Jesus was fond of sinners and encouraged people to build up their neighbors.
Who is could be a better socialist than Jesus? Jesus spoke about self-management
of money more often than faith and prayer combined. Any ideas why?

He warned about the love of money being the root of all evil. You don't know what Lord spoke about mostly. The gospels are just a small sliver of the life and work of Christ. It is true that God revealed what He wanted to be recorded and promoted.

Socialism is the opposite of self management. It takes what you work for and gives it to people who may or may not deserve it. Someone else makes that choice for you.

I have most personal experience of this. My kids have benefited from taxpayer largess and it is utterly unjustified!

Jesus loved sinners but had no illusions about their wicked ways. Socialism is based on a false premise that people are fundamentally good. Utter rubbish. George Orwell saw socialism first hand and wrote "Animal Farm" and "1984". He wrote "Animal Farm" just after WW2 ended. It's a brilliant take down of socialism. The socialist experiment is a failure everywhere. It has to be imposed by brutal force or it will unwind.

topher694 · Feb 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Who is could be a better socialist than Jesus? Jesus spoke about self-management
of money more often than faith and prayer combined. Any ideas why?

Waaaaay off.

Jesus spoke of money/wealth so much because it is the #1 thing that can steal our heart from God. He was not endorsing a political or financial system.

Hazelelponi · Feb 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Jesus was fond of sinners and encouraged people to build up their neighbors.
Who is could be a better socialist than Jesus? Jesus spoke about self-management
of money more often than faith and prayer combined. Any ideas why?

I believe it's possible your not looking at the mindset Jesus was speaking to.

For instance, the Jews were the original prosperity gospel preachers. They read the old testament to be a promise of earthly blessings for their righteousness, therefore Jesus was dispelling the belief that wealth was an indication of how righteous a man is..

He was turning that on its head and showing them that the righteousness of a man is seen by mans loving God above anything else, not in earthly blessings.. righteousness is a heart thing most of the Jewish elites lacked.

Today, God's Kingdom is not of this world, we are to live in the world, without being of the world. This doesn't entitle us to a non-believers material goods or his money to redistribute to anyone.

We should take care that we are showing the love of Christ, and not acting like holier than thou theives. We are put on earth to share Christ with the lost, not be mini dictators.

Qwertyui0p · Feb 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Jesus was fond of sinners and encouraged people to build up their neighbors.
Who is could be a better socialist than Jesus? Jesus spoke about self-management
of money more often than faith and prayer combined. Any ideas why?

10 Ironclad Proofs That Jesus Was A Socialist

SkyWriting · Feb 28, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
This doesn't entitle us to a non-believers material goods or his money to redistribute to anyone.

Don't be silly. We have no say over who are believers and who are not.

She is trustworthy. Proverbs 31:11 says that “The heart of her husband trusts in her.”
She is diligent. Proverbs 31:13 says that she “works with willing hands” and verse 15 says that “she rises while it is still night.”
She is shrewd, or prudent. She makes the most out of available resources and prepares for difficult circumstances, as in Proverbs 31:21-22 which says “she is not afraid for her household when it snows” because “she makes herself coverings.”
She is generous. Proverbs 31:20 says “She opens her hand to the poor, and reaches out her hands to the needy.” Her generosity isn’t a personality quirk – it comes from her excellence at work. Because she makes a profit in her business she is able to give to the poor.
She is careful about what she says. Guarding the tongue is an important theme throughout the book of Proverbs, and in 31:26 it says that when the valiant woman speaks she “opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.”

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 10:27
And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Luke 6:31
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Matthew 19:19
Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Leviticus 19:16-18
You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor: I am the Lord. “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Galatians 6:10
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

Zechariah 8:16
These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace;

Romans 13:9
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:28
Do not say to your neighbor, “Go, and come again, tomorrow I will give it”—when you have it with you.

Zechariah 8:17
Do not devise evil in your hearts against one another, and love no false oath, for all these things I hate, declares the Lord.”

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Luke 10:29
But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

Leviticus 19:13
“You shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of a hired servant shall not remain with you all night until the morning.

Exodus 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Matthew 22:39
And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

Ephesians 4:25
Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.

Blade · Feb 28, 2020

cute but none of those verses have anything to do with socialism.

this is not the 1st time this has been a.. tried. Well to talk about Christ and socialism. No truth in it so.. God is not in it. John 3 16. The reason we are here. ALL of this is temporary.

And a.. Christ is through out the whole OT. And if we know the OT then.. this all sinks real fast.

SkyWriting · Feb 28, 2020

topher694 said:
Waaaaay off. Jesus spoke of money/wealth so much because it is the #1 thing that can steal our heart from God. He was not endorsing a political or financial system.

That covers both.
Thanks!

SkyWriting · Feb 28, 2020

Blade said:
cute but none of those verses have anything to do with socialism. this is not the 1st time this has been a.. tried. Well to talk about Christ and socialism. No truth in it so.. God is not in it. John 3 16. The reason we are here. ALL of this is temporary.

And a.. Christ is through out the whole OT. And if we know the OT then.. this all sinks real fast.

The new covenant is different than the obsolete one.
Christ "solved" the OT problem.

Hazelelponi · Feb 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Don't be silly. We have no say over who are believers and who are not.

She is trustworthy. Proverbs 31:11 says that “The heart of her husband trusts in her.”

She is diligent. Proverbs 31:13 says that she “works with willing hands” and verse 15 says that “she rises while it is still night.”

She is shrewd, or prudent. She makes the most out of available resources and prepares for difficult circumstances, as in Proverbs 31:21-22 which says “she is not afraid for her household when it snows” because “she makes herself coverings.”

She is generous. Proverbs 31:20 says “She opens her hand to the poor, and reaches out her hands to the needy.” Her generosity isn’t a personality quirk – it comes from her excellence at work. Because she makes a profit in her business she is able to give to the poor.

She is careful about what she says. Guarding the tongue is an important theme throughout the book of Proverbs, and in 31:26 it says that when the valiant woman speaks she “opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.”

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 10:27
And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Luke 6:31
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Matthew 19:19
Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Leviticus 19:16-18
You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor: I am the Lord. “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Galatians 6:10
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

Zechariah 8:16
These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace;

Romans 13:9
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:28
Do not say to your neighbor, “Go, and come again, tomorrow I will give it”—when you have it with you.

Zechariah 8:17
Do not devise evil in your hearts against one another, and love no false oath, for all these things I hate, declares the Lord.”

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Luke 10:29
But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

Leviticus 19:13
“You shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of a hired servant shall not remain with you all night until the morning.

Exodus 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Matthew 22:39
And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

Ephesians 4:25
Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.

I never said we had a choice of who gets to be believers and who isn't..

I'm pointing out socialism is stealing the wealth of non-believers in order to be "generous" with it.

Our generosity as Christians needs to come from what we ourselves have, not what your neighbor has.

SkyWriting · Feb 28, 2020

Albion said:
LOL. Well, if we start making words mean whatever we want them to mean...and we tell ourselves that selecting one or several online definitions of whatever it is we're after will substitute for serious and in-depth study...there's no telling what we can come up with, is there?

Socialism has defined meanings.
A bunch of scaredy cats afraid to admit they are wrong.

https://www.google.com/search?q=def...rome..69i57.5343j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

SkyWriting · Feb 28, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
I never said we had a choice of who gets to be believers and who isn't..

I'm pointing out socialism is stealing the wealth of non-believers in order to be "generous" with it.

Our generosity as Christians needs to come from what we ourselves have, not what your neighbor has.

So if your not identifying non-believers, then who is?
And how to you imagine they are making this distinction?

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