Do you think that the story of Adam and Eve literally happened?

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Show me the verse in the bible that specifically states God created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days.
What is says is this "For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;"
 
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Show me the verse in the bible that specifically states God created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days.

Exodus 20:11
"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

Exodus 31:17
"It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labour, and was refreshed."

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.


3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.


6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.


9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.


11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.


14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.


20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.


24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.


26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,a]">[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”


27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”


29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.


31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Genesis 2
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

 
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Show me the verse in the bible that specifically states God created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days.

From your post 325 "Whenever you do say "God created the heavens and Earth in six days" you are actually quoting the Koran which says that."

Your point is dependent on a significant difference between two words that basically mean the same thing here, and the Koran is irrelevant. You have not exposed a translation mistake YECs make, it is a simple matter of interpreting two words which basically mean the same thing as two words which basically mean the same thing.

"In Genesis 1:26 it is recorded that God said: “Let us make (asah) man in Our image, according to Our likeness.” Then we are told in the very next verse that He “created (bara) man in His own image.” How can one assert (logically) that in these two verses “make” and “create” refer to different creations? Near the beginning of the next chapter, we read: “Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created (bara) and made (asah). This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created (bara), in the day that the Lord God made (asah) the earth and the heavens” (Genesis 2:3-4). Clearly, these words are used interchangeably in the creation account and throughout the rest of the Bible when referring to what God did “in the beginning” (cf. Psalm 148:1-5; Nehemiah 9:6; Exodus 20:11; Genesis 1:21,25)."

Did God "Create" or "Make" the World?
 
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From your post 325 "Whenever you do say "God created the heavens and Earth in six days" you are actually quoting the Koran which says that."

Your point is dependent on a significant difference between two words that basically mean the same thing here, and the Koran is irrelevant. You have not exposed a translation mistake YECs make, it is a simple matter of interpreting two words which basically mean the same thing as two words which basically mean the same thing.

"In Genesis 1:26 it is recorded that God said: “Let us make (asah) man in Our image, according to Our likeness.” Then we are told in the very next verse that He “created (bara) man in His own image.” How can one assert (logically) that in these two verses “make” and “create” refer to different creations? Near the beginning of the next chapter, we read: “Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created (bara) and made (asah). This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created (bara), in the day that the Lord God made (asah) the earth and the heavens” (Genesis 2:3-4). Clearly, these words are used interchangeably in the creation account and throughout the rest of the Bible when referring to what God did “in the beginning” (cf. Psalm 148:1-5; Nehemiah 9:6; Exodus 20:11; Genesis 1:21,25)."

Did God "Create" or "Make" the World?

Or one can logically conclude that the process of creating man involved both creation and making. For example, the process of creating a car involves creating the various parts of the car and then assembling those parts together. If you totally dismiss the writers use of two different words then you are dismissing the meaning of using two different words.
 
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Or one can logically conclude that the process of creating man involved both creation and making. For example, the process of creating a car involves creating the various parts of the car and then assembling those parts together. If you totally dismiss the writers use of two different words of two different words you are dismissing the meaning of using two different words.

The two words do not happen to have significantly different meaning.
 
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The two words do not happen to have significantly different meaning.

I guess they don't for you but they always have for me. It is a subtle but important distinction for which people even aside of the scriptural relevance, will pay huge sums of money for. The definition of a creation is something new and imaginative brought into existence. Think of a work of art like the Mona Lisa by Da Vinci. He created the painting and it fetches millions of dollars at an auction. Make a copy of it even by a talented painter in their own right and it is barely worth the oils it is painted with. A creation is unique whereas a copy made is not.

The difference in the usage of the words lies in the meaning of create to mean producing something new or original by using one’s talents, imagination or skill. This is usually in the form of something that would be considered artwork. For example: She created this masterpiece oil painting. Although ‘made’ could be used, it does not convey the same nuance of specialness or newness that ‘create’ does. This usage is the result of the etymology, or where the word came from. It came from the late Middle English and had the sense of forming something out of nothing, especially from a divine or supernatural being. This is in the sense we commonly use the related words ‘creation’ and ‘creature’ meaning things we believe that were brought into existence by God, or ‘created’.
Read more: Difference Between Create And Made | Difference Between Difference Between Create And Made | Difference Between

So the reason I point out the error "God created the heavens and Earth in six days" is because God's own words never said He did. He distinctly said He made the heavens and earth in six days. I personally believe that God is well aware of the difference in the meanings of the words and He used the exact words to fit how He did it and how long it took Him.

Those who do not recognize the difference do so because of their need to put the creation of the heaven and earth of Gen 1:1 into the 6 days spoken of whereas plain reading without presuppositions like YEC, should readily point out that there is a break at Gen 1:2 describing the state of what He has already created as being waste and void.

2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,
Young's Literal translation


Do you really think our Creator creates "waste and void"? That would not be a good description for how I think God would create and probably one of the reasons that in verse 4, he only mentions the light as being good:
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good:

If He had created the heaven and Earth on day one, I think it would be safe to assume He would have called it good too as a part of the total as He does

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

as the heavens and Earth have at that point had 6 days of being rebuilt from the waste and void state it was in before day one. So that would be the other reason He wouldn't have called the heavens and earth good at the close of Day 1 as He only did work on the Light.

The heavens and Earth pre existing Day 1 is then the reason that God states He made them in 6 days, instead of having created them. It is an important distinction for those trying to harmonize physical evidence and the scriptures.
 
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I guess they don't for you but they always have for me. It is a subtle but important distinction for which people even aside of the scriptural relevance, will pay huge sums of money for. The definition of a creation is something new and imaginative brought into existence. Think of a work of art like the Mona Lisa by Da Vinci. He created the painting and it fetches millions of dollars at an auction. Make a copy of it even by a talented painter in their own right and it is barely worth the oils it is painted with. A creation is unique whereas a copy made is not.

The difference in the usage of the words lies in the meaning of create to mean producing something new or original by using one’s talents, imagination or skill. This is usually in the form of something that would be considered artwork. For example: She created this masterpiece oil painting. Although ‘made’ could be used, it does not convey the same nuance of specialness or newness that ‘create’ does. This usage is the result of the etymology, or where the word came from. It came from the late Middle English and had the sense of forming something out of nothing, especially from a divine or supernatural being. This is in the sense we commonly use the related words ‘creation’ and ‘creature’ meaning things we believe that were brought into existence by God, or ‘created’.
Read more: Difference Between Create And Made | Difference Between Difference Between Create And Made | Difference Between

So the reason I point out the error "God created the heavens and Earth in six days" is because God's own words never said He did. He distinctly said He made the heavens and earth in six days. I personally believe that God is well aware of the difference in the meanings of the words and He used the exact words to fit how He did it and how long it took Him.

Those who do not recognize the difference do so because of their need to put the creation of the heaven and earth of Gen 1:1 into the 6 days spoken of whereas plain reading without presuppositions like YEC, should readily point out that there is a break at Gen 1:2 describing the state of what He has already created as being waste and void.

2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,
Young's Literal translation


Do you really think our Creator creates "waste and void"? That would not be a good description for how I think God would create and probably one of the reasons that in verse 4, he only mentions the light as being good:
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good:

If He had created the heaven and Earth on day one, I think it would be safe to assume He would have called it good too as a part of the total as He does

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

as the heavens and Earth have at that point had 6 days of being rebuilt from the waste and void state it was in before day one. So that would be the other reason He wouldn't have called the heavens and earth good at the close of Day 1 as He only did work on the Light.

The heavens and Earth pre existing Day 1 is then the reason that God states He made them in 6 days, instead of having created them. It is an important distinction for those trying to harmonize physical evidence and the scriptures.

Not sure what you are trying to prove with the whole create/made word argument. Perhaps if create only showed up on verse 1 and every other verse throughout scripture said 'made' you might have a point about creation week being 'made' verses being 'created' but it isn't. Other scripture says God created, and even specifically names things that he made during creation week and some use create and made interchangeably.

Genesis 1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.


Genesis 2:4
This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Create and made are being used together in one verse interchangeably.


Genesis 5:1
This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.

Deuteronomy 4:32

32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it?


Psalms 148:5
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.

Isaiah 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, And see who has created these things, Who brings out their host by number; He calls them all by name, By the greatness of His might And the strength of His power; Not one is missing.

Colossians 1:16 -- For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

It doesn't matter what difference you see, scripture uses both words over the same act.
 
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The heavens and Earth pre existing Day 1 is then the reason that God states He made them in 6 days, instead of having created them. It is an important distinction for those trying to harmonize physical evidence and the scriptures.

It might well be important for your preferred understanding, but it is certainly not a necessary distinction. It also does not mean that any other interpretation is based on the Koran.
 
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Not sure what you are trying to prove with the whole create/made word argument. Perhaps if create only showed up on verse 1 and every other verse throughout scripture said 'made' you might have a point about creation week being 'made' verses being 'created' but it isn't. Other scripture says God created, and even specifically names things that he made during creation week and some use create and made interchangeably.

Quite simply, some parts are created and some are made. Some are a combination. The difference between the words create and made signify what had to be restored to its former condition and what was created brand new. Genesis 1 tells of the "generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created" (Gen 2:4) meaning that the text refers to more then one creative event. Genesis 1:1 is a complete creation at some point in the past which is obviously destroyed as per Genesis 1:2. The Earth, water and heavens already existed in waste and void form before Genesis 1:3 when God said Let there be light and called it the first day.
That is the plain reading of the first 5 verses of Genesis. The creation of the heaven and Earth in Genesis 1:1, is not a part of the first day. God then goes on to remake the creation in the following 6 days which is why God correctly states:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Only in Genesis 1:1 does it say He created heaven and earth but does not give a time period. To say He created it in 6 days is making a subtle change in what He does say.
 
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Well because Jesus love requires us not to insinuate that individual people are simply to blame for their own suffering because they did not ask for something else.
Where did Jesus say that? The whole of the Bible says you reap what you soe. I wouldn’t be surprised if 90% of our suffering is our own doing.
Not to mention belief in a literal Adam and Eve is certainly not required to receive healing, I know a healer who gets results very frequently, but no specific Bible interpretation is required for the recipients.
I didn’t say believing the events of Genesis as described are required for healing. Actually one doesn’t have to believe in God or belong to Him to heal or be healed.

If one doesn’t believe the words of those who knew Him, one will never understand God. One has rejected that knowledge outright preferring to be honored among man.
 
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Okay, but I saw objection, not attack.
Not worth discussing.
Personally I do not believe Christianity is a depth of faith contest, and I am not convinced anyone can judge a persons soul status, except Jesus can.
I don’t think anyone IS judging another persons soul. We are to discern who knows Him and who doesn’t.

Christianity is not a contest at all. But some know more than others.
Some are closer to God’s mind and heart than others. These precious ones are worth listening to. That’s my point. Those who decide parts of what God has already spoken is untrue are not worth listening to as they have rejected truth already at some points.
 
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I agree. However there's a common Christian (mis)understanding that evolution denies God. I think de facto the term theistic evolution is used to indicate a belief in evolution that is consistent with God.
I’ve heard many atheists say evolution gave them a rational reason to deny the existence of God. Atheists know evolution denys God.
 
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When He died on a cross, for others, not Himself. He forgives us.

Matthew 22:37-39
Forgiveness is not offered to just anyone. And He never said we never suffer from our choices. His death doesn’t relieve us of the results of our choices. In fact, we will all stand before God and give an answer as to the choices we made in this life.
 
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Where did Jesus say that? The whole of the Bible says you reap what you soe. I wouldn’t be surprised if 90% of our suffering is our own doing.

I didn’t say believing the events of Genesis as described are required for healing. Actually one doesn’t have to believe in God or belong to Him to heal or be healed.

If one doesn’t believe the words of those who knew Him, one will never understand God. One has rejected that knowledge outright preferring to be honored among man.

Its reap what you sow.. unlike sew with a needle and thread.
 
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Really? I have never heard that in my lifetime.
It’s nevertheless true. If you look into the testimony of atheists who were believers in God before becoming steeped in the teachings of evolutionary biology, they say that. I believe Richard Dawkins says evolution gave him an intellectually satisfying life without God or something similar.
 
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