Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
This just goes beyond idiocy. Some of the oil was miracle and some was hoax but combined they create bigger miracle ? Does that sound like a miracle ?

Imagine if he throw the bottle of oil to the Atlantic. Every fish that dies would be resurrected, the miracle spreading would engulf the planet vaporising water would rain the blessing to everywhere on the planet everyone would get resurrected( probably with gold teeth) and all shall fall to their knees and praise pastor Taylor and The Lord or CharismaticLady if she chooses to use on of her divine vials to transform the planet.

Divine homeopathy. Praise the Lord. How could this be a hoax. The tsunami is coming. We leave the realm of reason and enter idiocracy.

So you can resurrect about ten people or animals. That is so awesome. Do get a press present it should be a great occasion. Save one vial to throw in the ocean to save everyone of course.

Or shall you try one in secret for some dead bird, figure out the stuff does not actually do anything, then compose some brown matter reason why the miracle is not working for you then store the precious vials forever with some faint notion they will start working at later date ?

Thank you for your sarcasm!

The General of the armies of Assyria did a smilar thing with King Hezekiah of the Kingdom of Judah and the Prophet Isaiah and King Hezekiah prayed in a different manner due to the sarcasm that was spoken against the followers of the God of Abraham at that time in history!

The result was one of the most astounding miracles in all of the Jewish Bible.

1 Kings 19

15 And Hezekiah prayed before Jehovah, and said, O Jehovah, the God of Israel, that sittest [above] the cherubim, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

16 Incline thine ear, O Jehovah, and hear; open thine eyes, O Jehovah, and see; and hear the words of Sennacherib, wherewith he hath sent him to defy the living God.

17 Of a truth, Jehovah, the kings of Assyria have laid waste the nations and their lands, 18 and have cast their gods into the fire; for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone; therefore they have destroyed them.

19 Now therefore, O Jehovah our God, save thou us, I beseech thee, out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou Jehovah art God alone.

20 Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, Whereas thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria, I have heard [thee].

21 This is the word that Jehovah hath spoken concerning him: The virgin daughter of Zion hath despised thee and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.

22 Whom hast thou defied and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice and lifted up thine eyes on high? [even] against the Holy One of Israel.

23 By thy messengers thou hast defied the Lord, and hast said, With the multitude of my chariots am I come up to the height of the mountains, to the innermost parts of Lebanon; and I will cut down the tall cedars thereof, and the choice fir-trees thereof; and I will enter into his farthest lodging-place, the forest of his fruitful field.

24 I have digged and drunk strange waters, and with the sole of my feet will I dry up all the rivers of Egypt.

25 Hast thou not heard how I have done it long ago, and formed it of ancient times? now have I brought it to pass, that it should be thine to lay waste fortified cities into ruinous heaps.

26 Therefore their inhabitants were of small power, they were dismayed and confounded; they were as the grass of the field, and as the green herb, as the grass on the housetops, and as grain blasted before it is grown up.

27 But I know thy sitting down, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy raging against me.

28 Because of thy raging against me, and because thine arrogancy is come up into mine ears, therefore will I put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.

29 And this shall be the sign unto thee: Ye shall eat this year that which groweth of itself, and in the second year that which springeth of the same; and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruit thereof.

30 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.

31 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and out of mount Zion they that shall escape: the zeal of Jehovah shall perform this.

32 Therefore thus saith Jehovah concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come unto this city, nor shoot an arrow there, neither shall he come before it with shield, nor cast up a mound against it.

33 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and he shall not come unto this city, saith Jehovah.

34 For I will defend this city to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of Jehovah went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when men arose early in the morning, behold, these were all dead bodies.

36 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Ararat. And Esar-haddon his son reigned in his stead.

Jonathan Walkerin · Feb 21, 2020

DennisTate said:
The result was one of the most astounding miracles in all of the Jewish Bible.

As opposed to a nickel for miracle huckster like Pastor Taylor that even you are beginning to understand is a conman and a fraud ?

Fraud tsunami is not coming. It is already here. And people like you are the reason for it.

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
As opposed to a nickel for miracle huckster like Pastor Taylor that even you are beginning to understand is a conman and a fraud ?

Fraud tsunami is not coming. It is already here. And people like you are the reason for it.

Actually..... in spite of his many, many, many flaws Mr. Jerry Pearce set it up so that no guilt is on Pastor Johnny Taylor at all. Mr. Jerry Pearce pleads guilty that he was the one who made the error of attempting to assist God with the miracles by buying a similar looking oil to the original miracle oil.

Mr. Jerry Pearce did not even allow Pastor Johnny Taylor to handle the distribution of the oil at any time so.......... he deserves some credit for that at least!

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
From what I read, Jerry didn't contaminate the Bible oil by adding any of the mineral oil to is, and I have to believe him. I just wish he had returned it instead of throwing it away.

I am a firm believer in the idea of our error and sins eventually leading to something good and positive. At the minimum they humble us and Isaiah stated that we could not see heaven without humility. One productive angle that Mr. Jerry Pearce could go in is to help any remaining listeners to have more empathy for our grandfather Adam and our Grandmoter Eve because in my opinion Jerry and Johnny had a miracle that was beginning the restoration back to Eden and better..... but of course..... . Satan would ask God to stop the flow of the oil to see if Jerry would make the same error as King Saul made..... .and lack the patience to wait until God Himself began the flow again??????

In 1995 Pastor Rick Joyner had an absolutely fascinating visionary dream of heaven in which he met the Patriarch Adam. Interestingly enough..... .1995 would be roughly the end of the 6000 year period of time from Adam until then so we began to go into the night part of the Sabbath metaphorically around then.

I copied and pasted most of the message from Adam in the first few quotations here:

A message from Adam to all of humanity?! Does this sound legitimate to you???

Jonathan Walkerin · Feb 21, 2020

DennisTate said:
I am a firm believer in the idea of our error and sins eventually leading to something good and positive.

If you believe in dead hamsters walking around with gold teeth resurrected by miracle oil I would say this is a healthy attitude.....

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
If you believe in dead hamsters walking around with gold teeth resurrected by miracle oil I would say this is a healthy attitude.....

Yes... I have heard of animals being resurrected before.........
the prayers of children for their pets are very very powerful and this whole topic is actually worth spending some time to research.

Dr. Ken Ring found that one near death experience in six involves a meeting with a previously deceased pet. This is a topic that Christians should know a lot about because our kids and grandchildren will probably be asking us about this.

Near-Death Experiences with Pets
By Kevin R. Williams, B.Sc.

1. Jan Price and her Springer "Maggi"
2. Lynn and her Collie "Mimi" and Boxer "Sam"
3. Grace and her German Shepherd "Lucky"
4. Susan and all the Pets she had as a Child

In the Book of Revelation we are shown Messiah returning riding on a horse... and in the Psalms it says Messiah rides on a cherub.... so some angels - cherubs.... apparently can appear like an animal?????

Rev 19:11

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Psa 18:10

And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

Jonathan Walkerin · Feb 21, 2020

DennisTate said:
This is a topic that Christians should know a lot about because our kids and grandchildren will probably be asking us about this.

Way to mess up your kid if they start to believe miracle oil or prayers raise their dead pets.

Talk about child abuse.

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Way to mess up your kid if they start to believe miracle oil or prayers raise their dead pets.

Talk about child abuse.

I know that you have your reasons for thinking this.............
I know you are sincere..... and you are not completely incorrect because it is possible to
exaggerate the implications of the type of phenomena that this thread is about but.......
it is also possible to mess up our kids by wanting them to be far too much like
Richard Dawkins Ph. D or too much like Christian Skeptics who do not believe in hardly any of the miracles of the Jewish and - or Christian Bible.

I was an Atheist from the time I was about eight years old until I was about thirteen and I feel that being an Atheist is a far darker place to be in than to have perhaps somewhat too much belief or faith.

Do you want to see Intelligent Design taught in universities and schools?

A Realist · Feb 21, 2020

I'm just waiting for the Queen of Hearts and the Mad Hatter to show up. The Cheshire Cat won't be far behind.

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." -Alice

"We're all mad here." -Cheshire Cat

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

A Realist said:
I'm just waiting for the Queen of Hearts and the Mad Hatter to show up. The Cheshire Cat won't be far behind.

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." -Alice

"We're all mad here." -Cheshire Cat

Kim Clement Prophecy of America and a woman named Esther

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
I love animals, so I posted about the little dead hamster coming back to life. But there were other testimonies, of course. I obviously made the mistake of casting pearls before swine.

I believe that you wrote what you were supposed to write on that because the majority of the readers of this discussion may never comment...........
but they may learn something important from that idea.

There is a positive side to all of this......
the errors of King Saul of Israel and Judah taught King David and King Solomon.......

to avoid the specific errors that King Saul had fallen into.........

So the errors of Mr. Jerry Pearce can become like the errors of King Saul and whenever and however and wherever the oil being poured out miracle expands to.......... hopefully those who stewart the revival of that miracle will learn a lot of important things from what Mr. Jerry Pearce got wrong???????

I feel that this oil miracle will expand...... it seems even to be referred to in the Prophet Kim Clement prediction of a Queen Esther - Hadassah type being raised up in the middle of the Trump Presidency...... (at least that is how I took the word "middle" .... ).....

CaspianSails · Feb 22, 2020

I have not witnessed it and for me it is meaningless. What matters is Christ has provided a means of mankind to be redeemed again to its creator. Whether or not a Bible drips oil is not important to me and frankly I would err on the side of this being a hoax. God is a God of eternity and Christ taught time and again that His followers are focused on the Kingdom of God, His kingdom and not the kingdom of man. Those who follow Christ are focused on heavenly blessings and heavenly rewards not temporal blessings, rewards nor would they follow after sings. It is akin to saying Christ is here or there or somewhere. We will know Him when we see Him. The same truth applies here. Christ alone is the object of service for those who follow Him. Oil from a book, no thank you. You can have it. For me and my house, we will seek the things that will not burn or rust or pass away.

DennisTate · Feb 27, 2020

CaspianSails said:
I have not witnessed it and for me it is meaningless. What matters is Christ has provided a means of mankind to be redeemed again to its creator. Whether or not a Bible drips oil is not important to me and frankly I would err on the side of this being a hoax. God is a God of eternity and Christ taught time and again that His followers are focused on the Kingdom of God, His kingdom and not the kingdom of man. Those who follow Christ are focused on heavenly blessings and heavenly rewards not temporal blessings, rewards nor would they follow after sings. It is akin to saying Christ is here or there or somewhere. We will know Him when we see Him. The same truth applies here. Christ alone is the object of service for those who follow Him. Oil from a book, no thank you. You can have it. For me and my house, we will seek the things that will not burn or rust or pass away.

This is by far the best article that I ever read on this whole phenomena.

The Bible That Oozed Oil

After the music, it was time for testimonies. Audience members stood up to share why they had come, and what the oil meant to them. The crowd was mostly white, but not overwhelmingly so: Like many charismatic church services, it attracted a noticeably multiracial audience. (Dalton itself is just 40 percent white.) A middle-aged black woman said she had anointed her adult son, who has been in a coma for two years, and noticed a “change in his countenance.” A slight white man said he was heading to China soon and wanted to bring the oil with him. He alluded to the possibility that the oil could cure the coronavirus: “I look forward to bringing back a good report!” There were stories about the oil healing arthritis and dissolving tumors. Others said their vials of oil had spontaneously refilled. One woman said she had given it to a friend who traveled to North Korea and slathered three rocks there with oil, including one representing North Korea and one representing the United States. “Right after that was when Trump met with Kim Jong-un,” she said. The crowd murmured in awe.

FredVB · Jun 24, 2020

There are many questions this could raise. I wonder, if this is really happening, is God ruining the Bibles used for that? After all, pages in contact with oil will not be in useful shape. But indeed there is this emphasis on signs that the gospel is not really depending on now, it reminds me of the emphasis there was on gold dust already, it could be like that.

Is Heaven Dropping Gold Dust & Glitter? — Women of Grace

Charismatic Makes Up "Gold Dust" (Glitter) Claim

Carl Emerson · Jun 24, 2020

If a church is on a wrong track, then Satan will be in there, like a robbers dog, to confirm his work with false signs.

So the issue is not the oil.

The issue is can we trust that the church is functioning as Jesus intended.

If we can answer that question, then the oil issue will become very clear as to it's origin, whether from man, from Satan, or from God.

Are we seeing a massive wave of repentance through the service of this church?

Such a response would need to be coming from the inspired preaching of the Word, not some phenomena that could have any source. - dont forget that genuine signs and wonders follow the preaching of the word.

So if we saw a bible dripping oil AFTER thousands came to Jesus through the inspired preaching of the word the matter would deserve some attention.

Satan doesnt care what we do or believe as long as souls are NOT being saved.

Word and Spirit · Jun 24, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
If a church is on a wrong track, then Satan will be in there, like a robbers dog, to confirm his work with false signs.

So the issue is not the oil.

The issue is can we trust that the church is functioning as Jesus intended.

If we can answer that question, then the oil issue will become very clear as to it's origin, whether from man, from Satan, or from God.

Are we seeing a massive wave of repentance through the service of this church?

Such a response would need to be coming from the inspired preaching of the Word, not some phenomena that could have any source. - dont forget that genuine signs and wonders follow the preaching of the word.

So if we saw a bible dripping oil AFTER thousands came to Jesus through the inspired preaching of the word the matter would deserve some attention.

Satan doesnt care what we do or believe as long as souls are NOT being saved.

Carl, I heard Johnny's preaching, and it was very accurate teaching. I was impressed. I was saddened by what Jerry thought he had to do. It goes to show that just one sin can bring down a whole ministry. I feel sorry for Johnny.

Carl Emerson · Jun 24, 2020

What was the sin exactly?

Radagast · Jun 24, 2020

DennisTate said:
My impression is that the oil from the Bible began for real.......
but after Jerry heard so many astonishing testimonies........
and then the oil stops for a few days to test him..... and he
comes up with a great idea to help God. I suspect that he decided that
if the oil from the Bible would hit ordinary mineral oil..... that the ordinary mineral oil
would be made holy.... and would be nearly as good for anointing as the real oil was.

A simpler explanation would be that it was fake from day one.

Junia · Jul 12, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
I have seen the terminally ill healed...

me too. my mother, for one. I certainly believe in that kind of miracle.

Junia · Jul 12, 2020

I hate to limit God. I think we canot put God in a box- He can do all things. BUT....Why would He cause a Bible to drip with oil? Gold dust? feathers? why??

Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?

Do you have a problem with Jesus causing a Bible to drip oil?

No

Yes

I think that Jesus can do whatever he chooses to do anywhere He pleases!

Why would Jesus do such an awesome miracle in the USA???????

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