Whatever Happened to the Ten Commandments?

Dave L said:

The Two Great Commandments is the Holy Law. Do you need to be told not to steal?

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(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be
your master, because you are not under the law,
but under grace.

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under
the law but under grace? By no means!

Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

HARK! said:

I only know of two; but I do my best to keep them all.

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In order of their composition the three versions of the Ten Commandments contained in the Bible are Exodus 34:1-28, Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 5:1-21. The earliest version is quite different from the other two.

Dave L said:

Then you need to live according to the New Covenant that replaced the Ten Commandments according to God's word.

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Where does the Most High or the Redeemer actually say any parts of the 10 commandments are replaced?

The Redeemer says we get new commandments... I would like to know where He said they replaced former ones.

From His mouth, please - since He is the Arbiter of the Law.

Dave L said:

Paul said he lived without the law to those without the law. And according to the law to those with the law to reach them. But he was being hunted down for teaching against the law.

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People were hunting Paul because he was teaching against the Law? Incredible.

As much as people say I hate Paul on these forums, I have never said he actually advocated breaking any Law of the Most High. Where does he teach against the Law, and how is that "kosher" with being an obedient servant of the Most High?

The death of the testator (Jesus) ushered in the NC

Dave L said:

“But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:8–10 (KJV 1900)

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Are you claiming that this reference to "the law" is limited to the Ten Commandments?
The term "the law" is ALWAYS in reference to the WHOLE law, as I understand it.
The only other use of the term is in reference to the books of the Law. (capital L)
And get rid of that hideous translation. - lol

1 Timothy 1:8-10 NIV
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

Dave L said:

makes the Ten Commandments in their base understanding unnecessary. When Jesus fulfilled them, he took them out of the way nailing them to his cross.

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So basically you've said that Jesus did not come to abolish the law he came instead to abolish it, right?

Dave L said:

“But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:8–10 (KJV 1900)

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That's because the righteous KEEP IT!

Dave L said:

Whatever is not of faith is sin. And the Law is of works.

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faith without works is dead

JacksBratt said:

Christ gave us a new commandment.. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind and Love your neighbor as yourself.

After Christ stated this... He said:
Matthew 22:40 English Standard Version (ESV)
40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Tell me, which of the 10 commandments can be broken without breaking the new one Christ gave?

All of them are wrapped up in the new one.

The 10 commandments never went anywhere. They are written in stone, after all.

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Neither of those commandments are new. They are from the Law of God. Christ was confirming what Moses already taught.

The 10 commandments are written on the heart in the new covenant.

GingerBeer said:

So basically you've said that Jesus did not come to abolish the law he came instead to abolish it, right?

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The confusion is real.

Dave L said:

Paul said it, not me.

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Paul... Paul said that if you keep the commandments, you are sinning... Really?


Can you show me the scripture?

Dkh587 said:

Neither of those commandments are new. They are from the Law of God. Christ was confirming what Moses already taught.

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Please read post #49.

Where I respond:

John 13:34 King James Version (KJV)

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

That's why I stated as such.

Dkh587 said:

The confusion is real.

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Obviously, that is why so many Christians say that the law is abolished.

I guess it is possible that the bible is just too confusing to be clear on the matter of the law. But if that is so then there is a whole lot of bible words devoted to a confusing matter.

Dave L said:

But good people do not need law. That's why the born again have the Two Great Commandments for believers instead.

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Yes you're right, good people don't need law..laws are ways to make us live or follow a desired way depending on the purpose of the law. But when we reach the desired stage in which the law is trying to get us to then we don't need the law to keep telling us how to get to that stage because we already there....

So, in the bible..the purpose of the law for mankind is to live righteous and to obtain that Righteousness (God's Righteousness )..
But when we received that Righteousness then there is no need of the law...because we are declare and received Righteousness (This Righteousness is in the Son)...just like God, so are we His children...

If we have the Spirit of the Son, then we obtained God's Righteousness...Galatians 5:22...tells the outward signs when man received the Spirit in them...