Ease & disease

grasping the after wind said:

That's an extreme statement for an agnostic. From what I can tell every religion is based upon some form of hard factual evidence. While some of science is based strictly upon an imaginary thing and speculation about that imaginary thing.

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I have never come across any evidence which supports any religion, particularly Christianity with which I am most familiar , having been unfortunate enough to be one as a young person.

pleinmont said:

Some crazy people rely on religion to make them well or their children well, and refuse medical treatment, some have died as a result. In the case of refusing treatment for your children that should be illegal. Here in the UK I believe they are taken to court if they object to their child being treated medically for a serious condition.

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Crazy people don't need to use religion to find quacks with treatments that don't work. All of the people I know that have died all relied upon medical treatments that ended up not curing them. Would I be justified in saying crazy people rely on medicine to make them or their children well and refuse to pray, some have died as a result so in the case of refusing prayer for children that should be made illegal?

pleinmont said:

I have never come across any evidence which supports any religion, particularly Christianity with which I am most familiar , having been unfortunate enough to be one as a young person.

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And I have never come across any evidence that supports a thing with no width, height or depth yet I was taught that such a thing is the basis of all geometry. Additionally do you think you have in your short time of life have encountered every possible bit of evidence that might possibly exist on every subject?

pleinmont said:

But surely you shouldn't need religion to help you do that?

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I think we need all the help we can get. The Holy Spirit is our "helper", inspiring us to make good decisions in everything.

grasping the after wind said:

Crazy people don't need to use religion to find quacks with treatments that don't work. All of the people I know that have died all relied upon medical treatments that ended up not curing them.

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It gets worse.
Hospitals—the Most Dangerous Places in the World

grasping the after wind said:

That's an extreme statement for an agnostic. From what I can tell every religion is based upon some form of hard factual evidence. While some of science is based strictly upon an imaginary thing and speculation about that imaginary thing.

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From what I can tell science is based upon some form of hard factual evidence. While every religion is based strictly upon an imaginary thing and speculation about that imaginary thing.

OldWiseGuy said:

I think we need all the help we can get. The Holy Spirit is our "helper", inspiring us to make good decisions in everything.

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Not the so called 'spirit filled' Christians I have come across, their lives were a mess.

Lazarus Long said:

From what I can tell science is based upon some form of hard factual evidence. While every religion is based strictly upon an imaginary thing and speculation about that imaginary thing.

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What factual evidence are you referring to?

grasping the after wind said:

What factual evidence are you referring to?

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The factual evidence that you are utilizing right now.

Lazarus Long said:

The factual evidence that you are utilizing right now.

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I'm not utilizing any factual evidence. I am making a ton of assumptions and proceeding to function based upon on those.

grasping the after wind said:

I'm not utilizing any factual evidence. I am making a ton of assumptions and proceeding to function based upon on those.

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On what device are you communicating your assertions? Computers and the internet are based on scientific FACTS.
Not imagination.

Lazarus Long said:

On what device are you communicating your assertions? Computers and the internet are based on scientific FACTS.

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Scientific facts are nice but to even begin to enter into the process of finding a scientific fact one must assume so many things. Science is based upon those assumptions which must be accepted on faith before one can consider anything as being factual evidence.

grasping the after wind said:

Scientific facts are nice but to even begin to enter into the process of finding a scientific fact one must assume so many things. Science is based upon those assumptions which must be accepted on faith before one can consider anything as being factual evidence.

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Yeah well stop using science then, otherwise you are a hypocrite, but I guess! Imaginery stuff is so much more fun.

pleinmont said:

Not the so called 'spirit filled' Christians I have come across, their lives were a mess.

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The spirit doesn't change you overnight. God saves some pretty messed up people, myself included.

OldWiseGuy said:

It gets worse.
Hospitals—the Most Dangerous Places in the World

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Yeah, bad things happen in hospitals. A lot of nasty bacteria live there. But if you fell off a ladder and suffered a compound femoral fracture—with a jagged fragment of your femur protruding out of your thigh—would you stay at home and pray for healing?

jayem said:

Yeah, bad things happen in hospitals. A lot of nasty bacteria live there. But if you fell off a ladder and suffered a compound femoral fracture—with a jagged fragment of your femur protruding out of your thigh—would you stay at home and pray for healing?

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I'd go to a hospital, and pray I didn't catch a staff/staph disease.

Lazarus Long said:

Yeah well stop using science then, otherwise you are a hypocrite, but I guess! Imaginery stuff is so much more fun.

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Why would using science be hypocritical? As for imaginary stuff, are you speaking of the geometric point or perhaps negative numbers? They can both be fun I guess but they are more useful than fun.

OldWiseGuy said:

I'd go to a hospital, and pray I didn't catch a staff/staph disease.

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I think we agree. Hospitals can be dangerous. But if you need that level of care, there's no alternative.