Who Changed Shabbat?

HARK! said:

Do you have a source on that? I'd like to read it.

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HARK! said:

Don't let anyone pass judgement on you as you keep them. Breaking sabbath was a capital offense in Israel.



Faulty translation.

(CLV) 1Co 16:2
On one of the sabbaths let each of you lay aside by himself in store that in which he should be prospered, that no collections may be occurring then, whenever I may come.



No chapter nor verse. Sorry if I don't just take your word for it.



No chapter nor verse. Sorry if I don't just take your word for it.

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HARK! said:

Anglican- Isaac Williams- Plain Sermons on the Catechism "And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it."

Protestant- Canon Eyton,- The Ten Commandments "There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday .... into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters .... The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday."

Episcopal - 'The Bible commandment says on the seventh day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday." Philip Carrington, Toronto Daily Star, October 26, 1949.

Baptist - Harold Lindsell, former editor of Christianity , said, 'There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day." Christianity Today, November 5, 1976.

Baptist Dr. Edward T. Hiscox,-a paper read before a New York ministers' conference, Nov. 13, 1893, reported in New York Examiner, Nov. 16, 1893. "There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week .... Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament absolutely not. ......."To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' intercourse with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question . . . never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated........ "Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history . . . . But what a pity it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!"

William Owen Carver- The Lord's Day in Our Day "There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance."

Dr. R. W. Dale(Congregationalist)- The Ten Commandments " . . . it is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath - - . . the Sabbath was founded on a specific Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday .... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday."

Congregationalist Timothy Dwight- Theology: Explained and Defended (1823)- " . . . the Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive Church called the Sabbath."

First Day Observance, pp. 17, 19."The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change."

"The Sunday Problem"- United Lutheran Church (1923), "We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both."

Lutheran- Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church (1843)"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday."

John Theodore Mueller (a Lutheran) - Sabbath or Sunday- "But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect."

"Take the matter of Sunday. There are indications in the New Testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day, or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day." Methodist- Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate, July 2, 1942

Methodist, Clovis G. Chappell- Ten Rules For Living- 'The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first."

John Wesley- The Works of the Rev. John Wesley "But, the moral law contained in the ten commandments, and enforced by the prophets, he [Christ] did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which never can be broken .... Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other." (Wesley was a Methodist)

"The Sabbath instituted in the beginning and confirmed again and again by Moses and the Prophets, has never been abrogated. A part of the moral law, not a part or tittle of its sanctity has been taken away."- New York Herald 1874, on the Methodist Episcopal Bishops Pastoral 1874.

Another Methodist, Dwight L. Moody- Weighed and Wanting, The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God Wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?"

"It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as a day of rest from labour. They obeted the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week." - Professor James C. Moffat, DD., Professor of Church History at Princeton.; from The Church in Scotland, pp140.

Dr. Hefele, Concilliengesch 3, 512, sec. 362 about the Council of Liftinae, Belgium AD 745 (attended by Boniface)- "The third allocution of this council warns against the observance of the Sabbath, referring to the decree of the council of Laodicea"

Dr. Hefele, Concilliengesch 4, 346-352, sec 478 quoting Pope Nicholas I answer to a question from Bogaris the prince of Bulgaria- "One is to cease from work on Sunday, but not also on the Sabbath" /On the subject of the same letter- "The head of the Greek Church , offended at the interference of the papacy, declared the Pope ex-communicated"- Truth Triumphant pp 232

"They worked on Sunday, but kept Saturday in a sabbatical manner...These things Margaret abolished" - A History of Scotland from the Roman Occupation, speaking of Queen Margaret's (a Catholic) decree.

"During the first crusade, Pope Urban II decreed at the council of Clermont (AD 1095) that the Sabbath be set aside in hounour of the Virgin Mary."- History of the Sabbath p 672

"There is much evidence that the Sabbath prevailed in Wales universally until AD 1115, when the first Roman bishop was seated at St. David's. The old Welsh Sabbath-keeping churches did not even then altogether bow the knee to Rome, but fled to their hiding places." - Lewis, Seventh Day Baptists in Europe and America, Vol 1, p 29

Josephus , first century Historian, says : "There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come!" M'Clathie, Notes and Queries on China and Japan. (edited by Dennys),Vol.4, Nos. 7,8, p.100.

"It was the practice generally of the Easterne Churches; and some churches of the west..For in the church of Millaine [Milan];.. it seemes the Saturday was held in farre esteeme ..Not that the Easterne churches, or any of the rest which observed that day, were inclined to Iudaisme [Judaism]; but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Iesus [Jesus] Christ the Lord of the Sabbath." , Dr. Heylyn's- History of the Sabbath Part 2, pp. 73,74, London: 1636

"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;..therefore the Christians for a long time together, did keep their conventions on the Sabbath, in which some portion of the Law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." The Whole Works of Jeremey Taylor, Vol. IX, p416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol.XII, p.416)

"The gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath." Gieseler's Church History, Vol.1, ch.2, par.30, p.93.

"The first matter concerned a keeping holy of Saturday. It had come to the earth of the archbishop that people in different places of the kingdom had ventured the keeping holy of Saturday. It is strictly forbidden- it is stated- in the Church-Law, for any one to keep or adopt holy-days. outside of those which the pope,archbishop, or bishops appoint." - speaking of the Church Council held at Bergen, Norway in the year 1435, The History of the Norwegian Church under Catholicism, R. Keyser, Vol II, p 488. Oslo: 1858.

"It will surely be far safer to observe the seventh day, according to express commandment of God, than on the authority of mere human conjecture to adopt the first."- Jihn Milton, Sab. Lit. pp 46-54.

"Thus we see Dan. 7 , 25, fulfilled, the little horn changing 'times and laws'. Therefore it appears to me that all who keep the first day for the Sabbath are Pope's Sunday-keepers and God's Sabbath-breakers."- American Elder T.M. Preble, Feb 13 1845.


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Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men

Deus Vult! said:

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St.Paul to the Colossians (2:16)
"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

"Don't let anyone pass judgement on you as you keep them. Breaking sabbath was a capital offense in Israel." - No commentary among any Christians say this. Not even now among protestants do they conclude this. I could go into any of the mainstream protestant interpretations of this verse and I suspect all of them would agree with the Catholic and Orthodox interpretation. Or maybe I should have given you the very next verse after Col (2:16) which is this:

"17 These are only a shadow of what was coming: the reality is the body of Christ."

But anyway here go references on the shared interpretation of the majority of Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestants:



Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
"Or of the sabbath [days],"
"or "sabbaths"; meaning the jubilee sabbath, which was one year in fifty; and the sabbath of the land, which was one year in seven; and the seventh day sabbath, and some copies read in the singular number, "or of the sabbath"; which were all peculiar to the Jews, were never binding on the Gentiles, and to which believers in Christ, be they who they will, are by no means obliged; nor ought they to observe them, the one any more than the other; and should they be imposed upon them, they ought to reject them; and should they be judged, censured, and condemned, for so doing, they ought not to mind it."
Colossians 2:16 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

Benson Commentary
"Or the new moon, or the sabbath days" — The weekly Jewish sabbaths; which are but a lifeless shadow emblematical of good things to come — Intended to lead men’s minds to spiritual and evangelical blessings. But the body — Of those shadows; is of Christ — The substance of them is exhibited in the gospel of Christ, in whom they all centre; and having the latter, we need not be solicitous about the former. “The whole of the ceremonial law of Moses being abrogated by Christ, (Colossians 2:14,) Christians are under no obligation to observe any of the Jewish holydays, not even the seventh-day sabbath. Wherefore, if any teacher made the observance of the seventh day a necessary duty, the Colossians were to resist him. But though the brethren in the first age paid no regard to the Jewish seventh-day sabbath, they set apart the first day of the week for public worship, and for commemorating the death and resurrection of their Master, by eating his supper on that day; also for the private exercises of devotion. This they did, either by the precept or by the example of the apostles, and not by virtue of any injunction in the law of Moses. Besides, they did not sanctify the first day of the week in the Jewish manner, by a total abstinence from bodily labour of every kind. That practice was condemned by the council of Laodicea, as Judaizing.” — Macknight.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
2:8-17 "...The setting apart a portion of our time for the worship and service of God, is a moral and unchangeable duty, but had no necessary dependence upon the seventh day of the week, the sabbath of the Jews. The first day of the week, or the Lord's day, is the time kept holy by Christians, in remembrance of Christ's resurrection. All the Jewish rites were shadows of gospel blessings."

Geneva Study Bible
{15} "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(15) The conclusion: in which also he means certain types, as the difference of days, and meats, and proves by a new argument, that we are not bound to them: that is, because those things were shadows of Christ to come, but now we possess him who was exhibited to us."

Colossians 2:16 Sermons: Therefore do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day,
"The sabbath of the Jews was typical, and therefore was abolished in Christ, and therefore, as well as for other reasons, the Lord's day, which took its place from the beginning of the gospel dispensation, was changed from the last to the first day of the week. The sabbath day was so long and so deeply associated with the stated feasts, the sabbatical year, and the jubilee year of Judaism, that it partook of their typical character, and thus passed away with the other institutions of Judaism. But this was not the original aspect of the sabbath, which had nothing in it typical of redemption, for it began while there was no sin and no need of salvation. Thus, just as baptism is the Lord's circumcision according to ver. 11, the Lord's day is the sabbath of Christian times."

Haydock’s Catholic Bible Commentary
Ver. 16. *Let no man, therefore, judge you in meat or in drink. *That is, for not abstaining from meats, called unclean, for drinking out of a cup without a cover, (see Numbers xix.) or for not keeping the Jewish festivals. For these were but shadows, types and figures of future things to be fulfilled in the new law of Christ: but the body is of Christ, (ver. 17.) i.e. was the body, the truth, the substance signified by these shadows and types. (Witham) — He means with regard to the Jewish observations of the distinction of clean and unclean meats; and of their festivals, new moons, and sabbaths; as being no longer obligatory. (Challoner) — Modern dogmatizers wilfully or ignorantly misapply this text of the apostle, to disprove the fasts and festivals observed in the Catholic Church; but it is evident, as St. Augustine observes, that the apostle is here condemning the legal distinction of clean and unclean meats, and the feasts of the new moon, to which false brethren wanted to subject the Colossians. (St. Augustine, ep. 59. ad Paulin. in solut. quæs. 7.)


[2:16] Festival or new moon or sabbath: yearly, monthly, and weekly observances determined by religious powers associated with a calendar set by the heavenly bodies, sun, moon, and stars (cf. Col 2:8).

*This one is funny above from the USCCB. They take it for granted that St.Paul's message that none should be judged to not keep these feasts would be easily grasped and only comment on what was meant by "new moon or Sabbath".


"Faulty translation.

(CLV) 1Co 16:2
On one of the sabbaths let each of you lay aside by himself in store that in which he should be prospered, that no collections may be occurring then, whenever I may come." - I have the Greek text of 1 Cor 16:2, it does not say "on one of the sabbaths". It says this:
NASB Lexicon
NASB © Greek Strong's Origin
*On the first μίαν
(mian) 1520: one a primary number
day of every κατὰ
(kata) 2596: down, against, according to preposition of uncertain origin
week σαββάτου
(sabbatou) 4521: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week) of Hebrew origin shabbath
each one ἕκαστος
(ekastos) 1538: each, every a prim. word
of you is to put τιθέτω
(tithetō) 5087: to place, lay, set from a prim. root the-
aside παρ’
(par) 3844: from beside, by the side of, by, beside a prim. preposition
and save, θησαυρίζων
(thēsaurizōn) 2343: to lay up, store up from thésauros
as he may prosper, εὐοδῶται
(euodōtai) 2137: to have a prosperous journey from eu and hodos
so ἵνα
(ina) 2443: in order that, that, so that a prim. conjunction denoting purpose, definition or result
that no μὴ
(mē) 3361: not, that...not, lest (used for qualified negation) a prim. particle
collections λογεῖαι
(logeiai) 3048: a collection from logeuó (to collect)
be made γίνωνται
(ginōntai) 1096: to come into being, to happen, to become from a prim. root gen-
when ὅταν
(otan) 3752: whenever from hote and an
I come. ἔλθω
(elthō) 2064: to come, go a prim. verb

Granted that it does reference the Sabbath, we must understand that St.Paul is referring to the end of the Sabbath at dawn which would be the first day, Sunday. Thus St.Paul says explicitly: "on the first day of every Sabbath" These are all the mainstream translations of the Greek text:

New American Standard Bible
On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

King James Bible
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
On the first day of the week, each of you is to set something aside and save in keeping with how he prospers, so that no collections will need to be made when I come.

International Standard Version
After the Sabbath ends, each of you should set aside and save something from your surplus in proportion to what you have, so that no collections will have to be made when I arrive.

NET Bible
On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside some income and save it to the extent that God has blessed you, so that a collection will not have to be made when I come.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Every Sunday each of you should set aside some of your money and save it. Then money won't have to be collected when I come.

King James 2000 Bible
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

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Acts of the Apostles
**Acts 20:7
"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he

Apocalypse of St.John ( Revelation )
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet..."
**Revelation 1:10
This one from Revelation will be a hard one for you to get around.

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pasifika said:

Love of God cannot achieve within you by following the 10 commandments but by faith in Jesus Christ because God's love is in Jesus not in the letter or the stone where the 10 commandments was written...

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guevaraj said:

Brother, I agree with you that God’s love for us is clearest in Jesus, but the love that God expected from us to Him and our neighbor was also clear to the Jews and written minimally in the ten commandments of Jesus before the incarnation.

The Lord gave me two stone tablets inscribed by the finger of God. On them were all the commandments the Lord proclaimed to you on the mountain out of the fire, on the day of the assembly. (Deuteronomy 9:10 NIV)​

Ten commandments given when Moses saw the “form” of Jesus, before the incarnation, write with His own “finger” His minimum commandments. He has certainly increased His demands in the new testament to make our “righteousness” greater than those who obeyed His ten commandments, but not lessen His ten commandments by one dot or comma. The new work of the Holy Spirit given after Jesus’ sacrifice with the new covenant is to put the written commandments of Jesus given in the Scriptures in our hearts.

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. (John 14:26 NIV)​

This new work of putting the law in our hearts, the Holy Spirit does by reminding us of what Jesus told us in the Scriptures: not only after His incarnation, but also before, when Israel heard His “voice” on the mountain and Moses saw His "form" writing the ten commandments with His own “finger”.

And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, (John 5:37 NIV)​

The words of Jesus above clearly declare Him as the giver of the ten commandments that the Jews value as God's most precious gift, before Jesus. Then Jesus asks us to keep His commandments, if we love Him; not to save ourselves, because we cannot be saved without His sacrifice, but to show our love to the One who gave His life for His friends.

If you love Me, keep My commandments. (John 14:15 KJV)​

United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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pasifika said:

If you want to show your love for God..then believe in the Son of God...that how you show your love to the Father...If you believe in someone it's shows that you accept everything about that person....so if you believe in the Son of God then you also believe in His Father...this how you show your love to Him...So your life is shaped by not any written words, but by that knowledge you have of the one whom you believed...

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guevaraj said:

Brother, happy Sabbath! The Jews knew from the ten commandments that to show our love for God, you "remember" the Sabbath, to keep it "holy". Israel is our example on how to "remember" the Sabbath in the time zone of Eden throughout the world. Jesus is the creator made flesh to recreate us by putting His law in our hearts by giving His life for His friends: the God of our fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Exodus 20:8-11 NIV)​

United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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pasifika said:

All those things are outward showing for people to praise them, but God looks into their hearts...

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guevaraj said:

Brother, happy Sabbath! Made known is what is hidden in the heart by our “actions”. It is easy to adopt “the error of the lawless” to forget the Sabbath. It is difficult to “remember” the Sabbath in a world that opposes the faithful to God's commandments.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12 KJV)​

Anyone who keeps the Sabbath is “paying” the high cost of losing the jobs they would prefer if the Sabbath was not an issue and is not yielding to the easy path that “cost” them “nothing”. Listen to David explain it, whom the Lord found: “a man after my own heart”.

But the king replied to Araunah, “No, I insist on paying you for it. I will not sacrifice to the Lord my God burnt offerings that cost me nothing.” So David bought the threshing floor and the oxen and paid fifty shekels of silver for them. (2 Samuel 24:24 NIV)​

David would not give the Lord anything that “cost” him “nothing”, knowing that God was willing to pay the highest price for our sins with the promise of the Redeemer, without the Lord yielding to the easiest path to let us die for our own sins.

Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. (Matthew 7:20 NLT)​

United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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pasifika said:

The Sabbath you trying keep is every 7th day, I know this Sabbath belong to God only...is the sign between God and the Israelites...Jesus was that sign of God in flesh where He rested on His 7th day Sabbath after the work He cAme to do...just as God ceased from the creation of this world and mankind in 6 days and He rested on the seventh day...
The seventh day Sabbath is that sign of God to the people...

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guevaraj said:

Brother, happy Sabbath! The Sabbath established on the seventh day of creation before sin enters the human race is expensive for sinners, only those who love Jesus will have the faith to keep the Sabbath holy. That is why it serves as a “sign” between God and us. Jesus is the "way", whose followers show the “sign” of their obedient relationship with Jesus by remembering the Sabbath, to keep it holy.

The Scriptures expose a "deception" emotionally linked to Jesus of the first day of the week as a replacement for the Sabbath, with the excuse that it celebrates Jesus' resurrection, when the Scriptures show that Jesus rose on the night of the seventh day in Israel. Jesus rose after the Eden-Sabbath remembered in Israel and before the first day at sunrise, as defined below is the first day from the first light to light again in the morning and every day until the Sabbath from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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