Trumps cuts to the CDC and abolishing the health czar.

GreatLakes4Ever · Jan 31, 2020

Albion said:
I understand that there is a problem. There are many ways to address it. I merely want you to realize that Socialized Medicine is not the silver bullet that its supporters think it must be.

So...it might work for you. How about everyone else?

When we start talking about Democrats and Republicans, Congress and the President, they have to account for the effects of such a change on everyone.

Other countries are not carbon copies of our country, though. For example, the Scandinavian countries were always held up as shining examples of National Health Systems. No more. And the UK's health program is going broke.

Please tell us one.

essentialsaltes · Feb 26, 2020

Feb 2018

CDC to cut by 80 percent efforts to prevent global disease outbreak

Four years after the United States pledged to help the world fight infectious-disease epidemics such as Ebola, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is dramatically downsizing its epidemic prevention activities in 39 out of 49 countries because money is running out, U.S. government officials said.

The CDC programs, part of a global health security initiative, train front-line workers in outbreak detection and work to strengthen laboratory and emergency response systems in countries where disease risks are greatest. The goal is to stop future outbreaks at their source.

Despite statements from President Trump and senior administration officials affirming the importance of controlling outbreaks, officials and global infectious-disease experts are not anticipating that the administration will budget additional resources.

Countries where the CDC is planning to scale back include some of the world’s hot spots for emerging infectious disease, such as China, Pakistan, Haiti, Rwanda and Congo.

The coalition also warned that complacency after outbreaks have been contained leads to funding cuts, followed by ever more costly outbreaks. The Ebola outbreak cost U.S. taxpayers $5.4 billion in emergency supplemental funding, forced several U.S. cities to spend millions in containment, disrupted global business and required the deployment of the U.S. military to address the threat.

This last datum helps put the $2.5 billion request from Trump in perspective.

Lazarus Long · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
I understand that there is a problem. There are many ways to address it. I merely want you to realize that Socialized Medicine is not the silver bullet that its supporters think it must be.

And yet it works perfectly well in the developed countries of the world.

Albion said:
When we start talking about Democrats and Republicans,

And therein lies the great American dilemma, the rest of the world treats their citizens as citizens and not political party members.

Lazarus Long · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
Yes, and I know Canadians and Brits who wish they had the American system because at least they could get (as we here can) the help they need...and get it almost immediately. That's not the case where they live.

They would number in their single digits, wow. But of course they can also board their Lear Jet and scoot over and pay whatever they have to if that were the case. That is hilarious.

rambot · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
Statistically, conservatives give more to charity than other people do.

Religious conservatives do. Secular conservatives BY FAR the least. So the correlation is religiousity NOT politics.

Nice try

And as America grows more secular.....

rambot · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
Yes, and I know Canadians and Brits who wish they had the American system because at least they could get (as we here can) the help they need...and get it almost immediately. That's not the case where they live.

Even with Canadians who've been critical of our system I've never heard a Canadian day I wish we had American style health care. Not one
Ever.
My mom was just diagnosed with cancer. She would have had to wait 4-7 months for the CT scan but she was in a financial position to afford a private one. She would have likely been dead had she done so.

Even she, when she thought she was going to die, said through tears "it's just so unfair...just because I can afford it".

Because healthcare is a matter of justice. And the us system has 0 justice.

Albion · Feb 27, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
And yet it works perfectly well in the developed countries of the world.

No, it doesn't. But the people in our country have been serving up that same disinformation for as long as I can remember.

Albion · Feb 27, 2020

rambot said:
Religious conservatives do. Secular conservatives BY FAR the least. So the correlation is religiousity NOT politics.

Nice try

And what percent of our conservatives are non-religious? It virtually defies the terminology.

So, nice try yourself.

Lazarus Long · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
No, it doesn't. But the people in our country have been serving up that same disinformation for as long as I can remember.

There is a difference.
Right wingers are obsessed with selfishness and left lefwingers care more about everybody.
See Donald.

Lazarus Long · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
No, it doesn't. But the people in our country have been serving up that same disinformation for as long as I can remember.

It works regardless of conservative propaganda. Look at the world.

Lazarus Long · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
And what percent of our conservatives are non-religious?

More than you hope.

Albion · Feb 27, 2020

rambot said:
Even with Canadians who've been critical of our system I've never heard a Canadian day I wish we had American style health care. Not one
Ever.

Of course I have no idea whether you ever talk to or listen to anyone outside of your ideological comfort zone, but I have spoken with Canadians who told me that they had to leave Canada and travel to another country to get the medical care that the Canadian system would, yes, provide them...except not before months and months had passed and they had died.

That is something that is virtually unheard of in the USA, whether a person can afford it or not.

rambot · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
Of course I have no idea whether you ever talk to or listen to anyone outside of your ideological comfort zone, but I have spoken with Canadians who told me that they had to leave Canada and travel to another country to get the medical care that the Canadian system would, yes, provide them...except not before months and months had passed and they had died.

That is something that is virtually unheard of in the USA, whether a person can afford it or not.

If you've been speaking to dead Canadians I would suggest you are not providing good evidence for your position.

Albion · Feb 27, 2020

rambot said:
If you've been speaking to dead Canadians I would suggest you are not providing good evidence for your position.

Not as funny as you thought it would be.

Aryeh Jay · Feb 27, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
There is a difference.
Right wingers are obsessed with selfishness and left lefwingers care more about everybody.
See Donald.

Yes, see Donald. He was Left wing for over 40 years. It’s funny how facts can get in the way of agendas.

Lazarus Long · Feb 27, 2020

Aryeh Jay said:
Yes, see Donald. He was Left wing for over 40 years. It’s funny how facts can get in the way of agendas.

Ahahahahaha.
Tell his illegal underpaid workers that.
Ahahahahaha

Lazarus Long · Feb 27, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
Your claim is that the poorest American can receive a heart transplant as soon as s/he needs it? You are lying
But that is what happens with "conservative Christians"

No response Albion? WOW.

summerville · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
No. Once established, it of course continues to function and people are treated. But that doesn't describe everything about it or make it a wonderful alternative to private insurance with some degree of government support.

If you want a quick view of how your medical treatment/history/experience will be if and when Socialized Medicine comes in, ask a veteran how well the VA functions for him. Then think of it being somewhat worse than that.

In other countries, it's always cheap and available if the problem is small. But if you are projected to die in three months unless some operation is performed, and the waiting list at the government hospital is six months, THEN you travel to the USA to get your treatment. And this is to say nothing of the tripling of our national debt that will occur in order to make Socialized Medicine a la Senator Sanders and Senator Warren a reality. The people who complain bitterly that the national debt has increased about 1 trillion dollars under President Trump never seem to blink at the prospect--or the consequences--of it going up 30 to 60 trillion dollars if those two candidates were to have their way.

Single payer/private delivery isn't socialized medicine. The VA is.. In the VA system the government owns the hospitals and clinics and employs doctors and staff.

Medicare for all would save money in the face of escalating healthcare costs.

wing2000 · Feb 27, 2020

Albion said:
...and national boundaries, too, right?

...as if a virus cares about national boundaries...

Albion · Feb 27, 2020

summerville said:
Single payer/private delivery isn't socialized medicine. The VA is.. In the VA system the government owns the hospitals and clinics and employs doctors and staff.

And that is what "Medicare for all" will be. No private insurance allowed, but you can show up at 7 AM, get in line in the hallway, and maybe the Physician's Assistant will be able to see you sometime in the afternoon.

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