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I have a question for those of you who don’t mind answering. What do you make of Enoch’s prophecy of the 12 shepherds of Israel answers Netanyahu being the last? With the election deadlock that has been going on. As well as Rabbi Kaduri’s prophecy stating “the messiah will appear when there are elections but no government.” Is there any truth behind these or are they merely fictional?
 
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Not much. Enoch isn't considered scripture by Christians or Jews. Profitable to read perhaps, but not reliable for prophesy, IMO.
 
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Not much. Enoch isn't considered scripture by Christians or Jews. Profitable to read perhaps, but not reliable for prophesy, IMO.

Just curious then, if not profitable for prophetic revelation then why does St.Jude quote it in his epistle?

St.Jude(1:14): "Now of these Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying: Behold, the Lord cometh with thousands of his saints:"
 
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Just curious then, if not profitable for prophetic revelation then why does St.Jude quote it in his epistle?

St.Jude(1:14): "Now of these Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying: Behold, the Lord cometh with thousands of his saints:"

St. Jude is saying that Enoch prophesied, but we do not know the the book we have is the actual text written by Enoch nor is St. Jude saying that the text we do have is the prophesy he is talking about.

It might be, it might also not be. We have to trust that the Holy Spirit included the correct books as scripture, and the ones that are left out are so for a reason.
 
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St. Jude is saying that Enoch prophesied, but we do not know the the book we have is the actual text written by Enoch nor is St. Jude saying that the text we do have is the prophesy he is talking about.

It might be, it might also not be. We have to trust that the Holy Spirit included the correct books as scripture, and the ones that are left out are so for a reason.

Amen. So you agree then that the Church that decided to include St.Jude did so by the guidance of the Holy Spirit?
 
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Just curious then, if not profitable for prophetic revelation then why does St.Jude quote it in his epistle?

St.Jude(1:14): "Now of these Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying: Behold, the Lord cometh with thousands of his saints:"







Did Jude quote from the book of Enoch, is this a reliable book?


Enoch was a important person mentioned in Genesis 5:24. Enoch was the 7th from Adam, the son of Jared (Gen. 5:18) and the father of Methuselah (5:21; Luke 3:37). After the birth of Methuselah at 65, he lived 300 more years. Gen 5:23-24 “So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.”

What is the meaning of God took him? Heb. 11:5 “By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, "and was not found, because God had taken him"; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

He was transported into heaven without dying. With Enoch was conveyed the teaching of both heaven and immortality.

The book of Enoch is non-Biblical and pseudepigraphical (what we have today is not written by Enoch).

The Book of Enoch: “Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.”

Jude he quotes from a prophecy of Enoch; Jude 1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints.” Jude’s reference the Book of Enoch is not exact, which does seem to be contrary to the conclusion he quoted from the book of Enoch..

The concept of ten thousand saints is not unique. In Deut. 33:2 And he said: "The LORD came from Sinai, and dawned on them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran, and He came with ten thousands of saints; from His right hand came a fiery law for them.”

The word for saints here is actually qodesh in Hebrew- meaning holy ones; hagiais muriasin, literally, "in or among holy myriads." The saints (holy ones) can mean angels or faithful human beings, or both.
 
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Yes, I do.
What Church was this that authoritatively decided what books would belong to the Canon of Sacred Script for the Christian Faithful?
What Church ruled out numerous spurious epistles, so called "gospels of Mary Magdalene, Thomas, Judas, etc.?
Which Church did this?
 
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What Church was this that authoritatively decided what books would belong to the Canon of Sacred Script for the Christian Faithful?
What Church ruled out numerous spurious epistles, so called "gospels of Mary Magdalene, Thomas, Judas, etc.?
Which Church did this?
I know where the conversation is going, but it is Off Topic to continue it in this thread.
 
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I know where the conversation is going, but it is Off Topic to continue it in this thread.

Lol. Very well. Peace of Jesus Christ to you.
I was Baptized in the Lutheran Church on November 1st 1998 ( All Saints Day ). I was 7 years, 7 months, and 28 days old. I was born on 03/03/1991. Raised in Protestantism in general though. Our Family attended just about a different denomination every Lord's Day. Out of all the Protestant groups I could have potentially been Baptized in I am so glad that our Lord saw fit to at least let me receive Baptism in the most Catholic of the Protestant groups: Lutheranism.
 
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Hello,
I have a question for those of you who don’t mind answering. What do you make of Enoch’s prophecy of the 12 shepherds of Israel answers Netanyahu being the last? With the election deadlock that has been going on. As well as Rabbi Kaduri’s prophecy stating “the messiah will appear when there are elections but no government.” Is there any truth behind these or are they merely fictional?
Ancient Book of Enoch | Part 16 - 70 Shepherds | Ken Johnson
 
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