Has hatred isolated the dems from their base?

LostMarbels · Feb 26, 2020

What I find when looking into Democrats that leave the party are a few commonalities. They are absolutely appalled at the hatred and vitriol they receive from even asking questions that do not fit the narrative. 'Vitriol' actualy seems to be a common theme. Another point is the identity politics. They are sick of it. The third big point is finding out that conservatives are actualy more accepting, and tolerant than their own party.

If you look into this topic, what you find is that the constant hatred coming from the Democratic party has left many individuals unable to condone it. Or remain in a party with so much constant negativity. It wore them down. And once they decide to actualy walk away from the party, the hatred toward them is palpable. They lose family, friends, jobs, and some of the even lose their ability to feel safe.

I also find that no ethnicity, race, sexuality, religion or social class is beyond scorn. No matter how much is said about peace and acceptance, if you cross the line you will fall prey to this vitrial.

The main reason I bring this up, is because we need a course correction in america. This thread is an attempt in fostering some tolerance. We need to stop all this hatred. Maybe hearing it from someone that you can identify with can help. None of us are absolute monsters, and we need to start realising that.

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Eight elected officials announce party switch, join Mississippi Republican Party

8 Elected Officials Switch Party from Democrat to Republican

Speedwell · Feb 26, 2020

LostMarbels said:
What I find when looking into Democrats that leave the party are a few commonalities. They are absolutely appalled at the hatred and vitriol they receive from even asking questions that do not fit the narrative. 'Vitriol' actualy seems to be a common theme. Another point is the identity politics. They are sick of it. The third big point is finding out that conservatives are actualy more accepting, and tolerant than their own party.

If you look into this topic, what you find is that the constant hatred coming from the Democratic party has left many individuals unable to condone it. Or remain in a party with so much constant negativity. It wore them down. And once they decide to actualy walk away from the party, the hatred toward them is palpable. They lose family, friends, jobs, and some of the even lose their ability to feel safe.

I also find that no ethnicity, race, sexuality, religion or social class is beyond scorn. No matter how much is said about peace and acceptance, if you cross the line you will fall prey to this vitrial.

The main reason I bring this up, is because we need a course correction in america. This thread is an attempt in fostering some tolerance. We need to stop all this hatred. Maybe hearing it from someone that you can identify with can help. None of us are absolute monsters, and we need to start realising that.

It's a two-way street, LostMarbels. I used to be a Republican and still have leanings that way--I would have voted for McCain over Obama if he had not picked that awful woman from Alaska to be his VP--but the "Southern Strategy" introduced a strain of religious bigotry into the Republican Party which I found intolerable.

Desk trauma · Feb 26, 2020

Oh look, walkaway part two electric boogaloo.

iluvatar5150 · Feb 26, 2020

Everybody always thinks the grass is greener <over there>. A quick look at how the Republicans have treated the NeverTrumpers or even RINO's ought to disabuse anybody of that notion.

LostMarbels said:
Eight elected officials announce party switch, join Mississippi Republican Party

8 Elected Officials Switch Party from Democrat to Republican

Imagine that - Dixiecrats becoming Republicans. Also, at least one guy in there just took office in January, so it would seem that he wasn't quite so "independent" in the first place.

Covington Co. elected officials sworn into office

chevyontheriver · Feb 26, 2020

Speedwell said:
It's a two-way street, LostMarbels. I used to be a Republican and still have leanings that way--I would have voted for McCain over Obama if he had not picked that awful woman from Alaska to be his VP--but the "Southern Strategy" introduced a strain of religious bigotry into the Republican Party which I found intolerable.

I walked away from the Democrats about 20 years ago. At the time, in my state, they were making it very clear that they didn't want pro-life people in their party. Never mind my grandfather was a county chair for the party way way back, or any of that. They tried to exclude me at every turn, everything was uphill, and I finally walked away. I joined the other side.

And actually that was a pretty good run. They were a much more tolerant party, and for a very short time I was seated on the state central committee and went to state conventions. At the last of those I confronted Trumpism and although most of us at the convention were for other people than Trump, I began to see a shrinking universe for me in that party as the party became a subsidiary of Trump. So I walked away again.

Never Trump. I couldn't vote for him. No Democrat either. They have gotten even worse, if that is possible.

So now I'm looking at the American Solidarity Party. Centrist, pro-life, they seem a good deal for someone who doesn't fit with the party of Tweedle Dum or of Tweedle Dee.

#WalkAway. I didn't even know it was a thing. But I've done it. Twice.

athenken · Feb 26, 2020

If anything hatred is showing us what their true base is. And it is solidifying it. Though, since the remaining people in their base will be insufficient to win them the White House, much less allow them to maintain a majority in the House.

LostMarbels · Feb 26, 2020

Speedwell said:
It's a two-way street, LostMarbels. I used to be a Republican and still have leanings that way--I would have voted for McCain over Obama if he had not picked that awful woman from Alaska to be his VP--but the "Southern Strategy" introduced a strain of religious bigotry into the Republican Party which I found intolerable.

Im sorry but there is something fundamentally wrong when a party cannot even reconise they are causing self harm. The continued attacks are just galvanizing the oppositions base. Here in Florida, Bernie has the Cubans, and Venezuelans I know flipping out, leaving. Eating one's own doesn't help, and Biden is running for the senate.

I honestly think the dems have completely removed themselves from their base in the pursuit of all things Trump. And lost touch with their own identity.

GoldenBoy89 · Feb 26, 2020

I actually think the average Democrat isn’t as outraged as they probably should be for the real threat this country is actually facing with this president.

paul1149 · Feb 26, 2020

Here's the original #walkaway video, which I find compelling. There were others before it, not called #walkaway per se, that are also excellent, such as Dave Rubin's Why I Left the Left.

And here's a very compelling testimony of a Democrat of 20 years who attended the Trump rally in NH a couple of weeks ago, something she never imagined she would do, and what she experienced. Most definitely worth a read, if you haven't seen it already.

After Attending a Trump Rally, I Realized Democrats Are Not Ready For 2020

LostMarbels · Feb 26, 2020

GoldenBoy89 said:
I actually think the average Democrat isn’t as outraged as they probably should be for the real threat this country is actually facing with this president.

So what is the plan? Who is steering and in what direction?

LostMarbels · Feb 26, 2020

paul1149 said:
Here's the original #walkaway video, which I find compelling. There were others before it, not called #walkaway per se, that are also excellent, such as Dave Rubin's Why I Left the Left.

I will check out the Dave Rubin's one.

I absolutely love this women here. Watched her a couple of times.

Albion · Feb 26, 2020

Speedwell said:
...but the "Southern Strategy" introduced a strain of religious bigotry into the Republican Party which I found intolerable.

I've tried, but I can't make sense of that perception. Or maybe it's just the way it was worded.

If some Republicans vote according to their religious consciences and some Democrats vote as they do because they don't want religion to have any place in public life, why aren't those simply examples of the hundreds of factors, preferences, and fears that the average person takes into account when voting?

There's no way any of us can control such things in our system of free elections nor should we. And I surely would not support the worst candidate merely to spite my neighbor.

Speedwell · Feb 26, 2020

Albion said:
I've tried, but I can't make sense of that perception. Or maybe it's just the way it was worded.

Once upon a time the Republican Party was hospitable to all Christians and even persons of other religions. What changed, if it was not the introduction of predominately Evangelical Southern Democrats?

LostMarbels · Feb 26, 2020

Speedwell said:
Once upon a time the Republican Party was hospitable to all Christians and even persons of other religions. What changed, if it was not the introduction of predominately Evangelical Southern Democrats?

I think we are far more tolerant than has been portrayed.

Albion · Feb 26, 2020

Speedwell said:
Once upon a time the Republican Party was hospitable to all Christians and even persons of other religions.

It still is.

And there was a time when the Democratic Party was hospitable to all Christians.

The fact is that both parties want to attract every voting bloc that they think will help them win elections.

GACfan · Feb 26, 2020

Speedwell said:
It's a two-way street, LostMarbels. I used to be a Republican and still have leanings that way--I would have voted for McCain over Obama if he had not picked that awful woman from Alaska to be his VP--but the "Southern Strategy" introduced a strain of religious bigotry into the Republican Party which I found intolerable.

I left the Republican Party shortly after Trump was elected and I lean more left since he was elected too. I've been disgusted with the party since Trump ensnared it and transformed it into his image.

GreatLakes4Ever · Feb 26, 2020

LostMarbels said:
I think we are far more tolerant than has been portrayed.

You’re more tolerant than the Democrats just like the Goth kids in South Park, Colorado are more tolerant than the conformist zombie posers. You just have to dress like them and listen to the same music they do. Similarly you are tolerant of anyone who gives unflinching loyalty to Trump.

LostMarbels · Feb 26, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
You’re more tolerant than the Democrats just like the Goth kids in South Park, Colorado are more tolerant of than the conformist zombie posers. You just have to dress like them and listen to the same music they do. Similarly you are tolerant of anyone who gives unflinching loyalty to Trump.

Why is it so important to tear down Trump supporters? Can you allow me to live as I am without having to be judgemental even hurtful?

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Similarly you are tolerant of anyone who gives unflinching loyalty to Trump

Trump is not my world. As a matter of fact I rarely even think about him until Im am sitting in front of this computer. I do not understand this all encompassing mindset that everything must be about trump.

Why can't I be tolerant just because that's the kind of person I am.

whatbogsends · Feb 26, 2020

LostMarbels said:
Why is it so important to tear down Trump supporters? Can you allow me to live as I am without having to be judgemental even hurtful?

Trump is not my world. As a matter of fact I rarely even think about him until Im am sitting in front of this computer. I do not understand this all encompassing mindset that everything must be about trump.

Why can't I be tolerant just because that's the kind of person I am.

You're funny.

Your entire posting history is dedicating to tearing down the left.

Right here, you start a thread attacking the left and Democrats for hate, then get all upset when someone suggests that Trump supporters show hate as well.

GreatLakes4Ever · Feb 26, 2020

LostMarbels said:
Why is it so important to tear down Trump supporters? Can you allow me to live as I am without having to be judgemental even hurtful?

I wouldn’t say the Democratic Party is any better, I’m just pointing out that the Republican Party is tolerant of those that show unflinching loyalty to Trump. Those who are not are considered “human scum.” Donald J. Trump on Twitter

Trump is not my world. As a matter of fact I rarely even think about him until Im am sitting in front of this computer. I do not understand this all encompassing mindset that everything must be about trump.

Why can't I be tolerant just because that's the kind of person I am.

You used “we” when describing the tolerant party. When people make themselves a part of something I respect their wishes and speak likewise. If you had said “Republican Party” rather than “we” I would have done likewise.

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