IFA says Bernie Sanders is a threat to religious freedom in america...

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"The potential for Senator Bernie Sanders to be as a Presidential candidate for a major party, and also therefore to be elected President, is the most serious threat to religious freedom in our nation from the Executive branch we may have ever had. To be sure, I don’t know if God has a plan to continue advancing Bernie supernaturally in order to accomplish His purposes. Either way this is a major matter for prayer. I am surprised how many younger Christians are unaware of his religious views and are actively supporting him. Christians may disagree on policy but Bernie’s views on whether Christians can actively follow Jesus’ claims to exclusivity should be a matter that unites us all.

During a Senate confirmation hearing meeting in 2017, Senator Sanders said Russell Vought, a nominee for Deputy Director of the Office of Management and Budget, was unqualified because Mr. Vought believes Jesus was the only way to God. The Senator’s view was that because Mr. Vought thought Mohammad’s teachings were not an equal way to God, he should not serve in the U.S. government. Sanders’ closing statement is: “This nominee is not what this country is supposed to be about.” (Watch the interchange below.)

This is an extremely dangerous and unconstitutional opinion. The core faith tenet of Christianity is that Jesus is the way, truth, and life, and that no one gets to the Father but through Him (Jesus’ own words in John 14:6). Bernie Sanders basically declared all Christians who adhere to historical, biblical Christianity as unfit to serve in our government. Nothing could be more in opposition to the real life history of our nation’s founders and the grand majority of our nation’s previous governmental leaders than this. Bernie Sander’s views in this matter make him unlike any other major candidate for President in our nation’s history and potentially pose the most serious threat to our First Amendment rights this nation has ever seen from the Executive Branch. It is this one singular view above all others that makes him unfit for office as a Senator or President. He counts on his own right to espouse his openly socialist political policy positions. His desire to strip First Amendment rights of those he disagrees with actually threatens his own right to free speech regarding his socialist views."


above quote from IFA prayer alerts:
HOW BERNIE SANDERS THREATENS RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN AMERICA | Intercessors for America
 

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As believers we need to be able to express love and acceptance while disagreeing about conviction.
America is about equal opportunity not equal agreement.
Religious conviction is a value system that to exist denies others. What some confuse is there own bigotry over faith, which Bernie is showing. As to why, is a deeper question,but needs answering.
 
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As believers we need to be able to express love and acceptance while disagreeing about conviction.
America is about equal opportunity not equal agreement.
Religious conviction is a value system that to exist denies others. What some confuse is there own bigotry over faith, which Bernie is showing. As to why, is a deeper question,but needs answering.
I don't like how Bernie digs into a candidates christian thesis at a christian college, and tells Him He is too christian to be considered. That is way wrong. Religion does not disqualify for any job, that is discrimination under any other job title. You cannot discriminate on basis of religion, color, sex and a host of other things.
 
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Same old. All the people complaining about this think that freedom of religion means Christian priviledges, dominance and acceptance as the only real religion.

That is not what it means. Freedon of religion means freedom to believe in Allah, Zeus, Satan, Spaghetti monster and the like. Or not to believe.

Which is why people try to keep state and religion separated so you will not have to hear hymn to zeus when you start your gym class in public school, nor hear sermons for spaghetti monster on pasta day, nor yes hear daily prayers to Jesus either if you are not so inclined.
 
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Same old. All the people complaining about this think that freedom of religion means Christian priviledges, dominance and acceptance as the only real religion.

That is not what it means. Freedon of religion means freedom to believe in Allah, Zeus, Satan, Spaghetti monster and the like. Or not to believe.

Which is why people try to keep state and religion separated so you will not have to hear hymn to zeus when you start your gym class in public school, nor hear sermons for spaghetti monster on pasta day, nor yes hear daily prayers to Jesus either if you are not so inclined.
sir the OP is about a congressman stating that another person is not qualified simply based on his christianity, that is a lack of freedom. It is prejudice based on religion, which is illegal.
 
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sir the OP is about a congressman stating that another person is not qualified simply based on his christianity, that is a lack of freedom.

The issue was the person`s s belief that people of other religions seemed to be sadly mistaken, probably going to hell and he had published text to that effect.

Would you like to hear from a Muslim government official that Christianity was bunk ? Probably no ?

Why should others be expected to just take his personal prejudices of their religions ?

I will answer that. Because some people think that freedom of religion means that Christianians - even in government offices - can treat others with prejudice, with disdain, because they feel they are right and those others are clearly wrong.

If the person in question is not supremely qualified for this post why get the bigots in that are clearly against anything that the first amandment stands for ?

Being unable to push your religious prejudices to others in government office is not "lack of freedom"

We do not have to take that bull from satanists, nor scientologists, nor Hindus so it is only fair they do not have to take it from Christians right ? Fair and equal ?
 
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The issue was the person`s s belief that people of other religions seemed to be sadly mistaken, probably going to hell and he had published text to that effect.
so now believing in the bible disqualifies us for all public office. what about the first ammendment?

again EVERY other employer would be fined from the government for this discrimination:

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  • treating applicants or employees differently based on their religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – in any aspect of employment, including recruitment, hiring, assignments, discipline, promotion, and benefits (disparate treatment);
  • subjecting employees to harassment because of their religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – or because of the religious practices or beliefs of people with whom they associate (e.g., relatives, friends, etc.);
  • denying a requested reasonable accommodation of an applicant’s or employee’s sincerely held religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – if an accommodation will not impose more than a de minimis cost or burden on business operations; 1 and,
  • retaliating against an applicant or employee who has engaged in protected activity, including participation (e.g., filing an EEO charge or testifying as a witness in someone else’s EEO matter), or opposition to religious discrimination (e.g., complaining to human resources department about alleged religious discrimination)."
above quote from:
Questions and Answers about Religious Discrimination in the Workplace
 
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so now believing in the bible disqualifies us for all public office. what about the first ammendment?
Nothing in @Jonathan Walkerin 's posts suggest this - unless you have been careless in your reading of them. The issue is that Sanders appeared to have thought that Vought's specifc variety of Christian belief was likely to make him prejudicial in one or more ways to those who were not Christian; that approving his nomination would have enabled such prejudicial behaviour.

You may debate whether Sanders was correct in this view, but please don't cloud and misdirect the discussion by claiming it was about the nominee being a Christian. At best that is an error, at worst it is deceitful.
 
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so now believing in the bible disqualifies us for all public office. what about the first ammendment?

You can believe whatever you want as long as you do not bring those attitudes to your workplace where they affect others negatively. I believe there is a few Christians among the millions working for the government so not to worry.

treating applicants or employees differently based on their religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – in any aspect of employment, including recruitment, hiring, assignments, discipline, promotion, and benefits (disparate treatment);

DO you really believe that a guy who believes Muslims "do not understand God, are condemned and whatever" would treat those Muslims equally to Christians ? Really ? Remember lying is a sin.
 
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Nothing in @Jonathan Walkerin 's posts suggest this - unless you have been careless in your reading of them. The issue is that Sanders appeared to have thought that Vought's specifc variety of Christian belief was likely to make him prejudicial in one or more ways to those who were not Christian; that approving his nomination would have enabled such prejudicial behaviour.

You may debate whether Sanders was correct in this view, but please don't cloud and misdirect the discussion by claiming it was about the nominee being a Christian. At best that is an error, at worst it is deceitful.

but you simply cannot say that Bernie is not committing prejudice. Lets apply that to an employer, with all your observations and see how it works. So can an employer refuse to employ say a muslim who believes that only muslims are granted eternal life? I await your reply. Because after all this is " likely to make him prejudicial in one or more ways to those who were not" Muslim.
 
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You can believe whatever you want as long as you do not bring those attitudes to your workplace where they affect others negatively. I believe there is a few Christians among the millions working for the government so not to worry.



DO you really believe that a guy who believes Muslims "do not understand God, are condemned and whatever" would treat those Muslims equally to Christians ? Really ? Remember lying is a sin.
see my last post, I am replying to two posters now, so in order to not repeat, please read the other post, thanks.
 
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but you simply cannot say that Bernie is not committing prejudice. Lets apply that to an employer, with all your observations and see how it works. So can an employer refuse to employ say a muslim who believes that only muslims are granted eternal life? I await your reply. Because after all this is " likely to make him prejudicial in one or more ways to those who were not" Muslim.
Again, you are misrepresenting this. The correct and relevant question would be "can an employer refuse to employ a Muslim who has made clear through their public comments or actions that their beliefs would lead them to prejudicially treat anyone of another faith?"

There are plenty people of many faiths who will respect the beliefs of others and not act in a prejudicial way towards them. And there are those of whom this is not true. Do you think both should be treated equally in regard to employment? In other words, do you think we should knowingly hire individuals who are likely, based on their own actions or words, to be prejudicial to others?
 
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Again, you are misrepresenting this. The correct and relevant question would be "can an employer refuse to employ a Muslim who has made clear through their public comments or actions that their beliefs would lead them to prejudicially treat anyone of another faith?"
ok so are you saying that a muslim who simply "believes" another non muslim will not go to heaven, is unemployable because he can "hypothetically" commit prejudice?
 
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So can an employer refuse to employ say a muslim who believes that only muslims are granted eternal life? I await your reply.

Sure, if you have someone stupid enough to publicly state this while saying Christians are unbelievers, condemned and going to hell while trying to be selected for high government position I am quite positive he would be blocked from said position.

The applicant is free to disagree of course and take it to the courts.
 
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I don't like how Bernie digs into a candidates christian thesis at a christian college, and tells Him He is too christian to be considered. That is way wrong. Religion does not disqualify for any job, that is discrimination under any other job title. You cannot discriminate on basis of religion, color, sex and a host of other things.

Describing it like this, Bernie is actually being un-American.

Has the left become hedonistic with no boundaries or family values?
A lot of atheists believe guilt is man made, and following ones desires is the only focus.

Unfortunately in a polarised world, the right becomes the standard bearer of conformity and punishment, and the left of freedom and following the good of the people, or hedonism.

Once the ethic has become do what you want, following Jesus is the enemy.
 
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ok so are you saying that a muslim who simply "believes" another non muslim will not go to heaven, is unemployable because he can "hypothetically" commit prejudice?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

If the Muslim "believes" another non-Muslim will not go to heaven, there is absolutely no problem in employing them.

If the Muslim "believes" another non-Muslim will not go to heaven and has demonstrated through their words or action that may well act prejudicially to non-Muslims then there is a problem in employing them.

There are two parts to the problem: a belief and a negative action contingent on that belief. For the possibility of that negative action to be taken seriously the believer must have demonstrated through words or actions that their is such a risk, it is both credible and high.

Now do you get it?

Look. The thing to question here is whether or not Sanders assessment of the words/actions of Vought demonstrate there is a credible risk. I suspect they don't . I suspect Sanders is wrong. This is what you should be attacking, his assessment, not the ludicrous and easily refuted strawman argument youhave constructed.
 
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Describing it like this, Bernie is actually being un-American.

It truly feels like not giving consideration for Christian priviledges is considered "un - American" by the evangelicals.
 
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so now believing in the bible disqualifies us for all public office. what about the first ammendment?

In the early Church in Rome, not working for the state was a requirement of being baptised into the church. It was viewed as a divided loyalty, so people had to choose. There are plenty of obvious reasons for that rule.
 
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