Does religion cause war?

createdtoworship said:

Nobody commented on the fact that 4% of wars are caused by religion while 80% of the nobel peace prizes are caused by christianity.

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Jonathan Walkerin said:

This is the claim you need to prove. Let`s try once again.

That 80% of Nobel Prize winners are Christians does not meant that "Nobel peace prizes are caused

by Christianity " any more than

that since 96% + Nobel Prize winners are males then it means that Nobel Peace Prizes are caused by testicles.

See the logic ? Or lack of ?

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Moreover...... If one claims the Christianity, a religion, is the cause of the nobel peace prizes, solely because the receiver was a Christian..... It should follow that the Religion of the Leader who starts the Wars, are the Causes of the Wars they start....

Therefore, if we follow this logic, the only wars not caused by religion, are the ones started by Atheists. This could, almost, reverse the results of the pie charts.....

createdtoworship said:

I mean if I just said that black people have the highest IQ's in the world, and you were black. You should feel good. Right? But if you are another skin color you may be offended. But being offended reveals you are not black.

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This logic is only true for those, not born of God. For those filled with love, would not desire to be told that they are better than someone else.....In Fact, they esteem others higher than themselves.

And they would, because of the bible, questions the motives of one giving such praises:

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."

The motivations of warfare are interesting. Christianity has caused some wars or at least deeply influenced the direction of warfare. The Crusades, the reconquista, the Teutonic wars, the clashes between Muslims and Christians historically. Yet I'm of the opinion that to reduce it religion alone motivating factor is a talking point. It's not really religion alone. Was the persecution of the Knights Templar by Philip IV of France because he really thought they were heretics and blasphemers or because he wanted their land?

I hate the logic also that reduces the religious issues to nothing, as if it were totally bad and wicked that the thirty years war was fought over an issue such as religion, but it's okay that the first/second world war was fought over competing interests and powers. In other words, it's okay to fight war for secular purposes but never for the sake of the religion we ought to hold most dear? Which of the wars of religion was more destructive and inhumane when compared to our modern forms of it?

Does religion cause war?

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The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
In a since this has been repeating itself
over and over for the last 2000 years.

The key of David , Jesus unlocks seals.

1st seal - White Horse-false religion,
False Prophets - Revelation 6:1-2
Matthew 24:3-5, Mark 13 and Luke 21

2nd Seal - Red Horse- War
Revelation 6:3-4 Matthew 24:6-7,

3rd Seal - Black Horse- Famine
Revelation 6:5-6, Matthew 24:7

4th Seal - Pale Horse- Pestilence
Revelation 6:7-8, Matthew 24:7-8

the link between the second, third and
fourth horsemen representing war,
famine and pestilence (Jeremiah 21:9;
27:13; 29:17-18; 32:24; 34:17; 38:2;
42:16-17; 44:13).

The first horse is the most dangerous.

createdtoworship said:

"All religion does is cause war!"
"What have Christians done for the sciences and humanities?"

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This graph is a simplification of the data. Some debate remains as to if the 7% figure should be lower considering a lot of movements are contained in the number. The percentage drops to 3% after the Islamic wars are deducted.​

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I believe that sin causes war. If both parties were living Christian lives there would be no war. Sometimes the very bad needs to be eliminated.

I hate to say this, but sometimes just getting involved in the church politics lets one know what wars are made of.

And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. - Genesis 11:6

People cause wars, religions are just tools for causing wars and creating division.

Yes religion has caused wars throughout the history of civilization. The Thirty Years War is one great example.

createdtoworship said:

"All religion does is cause war!"
"What have Christians done for the sciences and humanities?"

Enjoy this graphic.
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This graph is a simplification of the data. Some debate remains as to if the 7% figure should be lower considering a lot of movements are contained in the number. The percentage drops to 3% after the Islamic wars are deducted.​

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Anyone can make a graph and manipulate statistics, but war is usually, in fact, about stealing resources, land, power; religion is the excuse to cover up real motives.

createdtoworship said:

"All religion does is cause war!"
"What have Christians done for the sciences and humanities?"

Enjoy this graphic.
View attachment 272420

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This graph is a simplification of the data. Some debate remains as to if the 7% figure should be lower considering a lot of movements are contained in the number. The percentage drops to 3% after the Islamic wars are deducted.​

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Any cause or people in authority will always look to justify a war in a moral sense, we are right, they are wrong and so deserve the battle we are bringing them.

Every empire always starts with, we are the best. And wrapped up in the justification and identity is normally their faith and God, god. Why would soldiers die for a cause they did not believe in?

So the truth is wars are sold as religious to make them look good and right.
Most ordinary hard working folk do not care about wars, just making money to feed, clothe and house their families.

People who hate religion or questions about the other, want to say without a sense of other, there would be no wars. Unfortunately most people live their lives without any sense of other, just who they are and manage to cause the chaos and conflict all by themselves. It is religion that attempts to bring order and explanation behind this chaos to make things predictable and known, with good outcomes.

It does not mean the outcomes are explained or resolved, but it is religion that wants to make sense of it.

createdtoworship said:

"All religion does is cause war!"
"What have Christians done for the sciences and humanities?"

Enjoy this graphic.
View attachment 272420

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This graph is a simplification of the data. Some debate remains as to if the 7% figure should be lower considering a lot of movements are contained in the number. The percentage drops to 3% after the Islamic wars are deducted.​

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IF... we understand our religion very much like a worker at an oil company might understand their loyalty to their company........ and if we approach other denominations like competing oil companies....... then our religion, (specifically our loyalty to our denomination), can set us on a path that is relatively warlike?!


I am of the belief that if I had read of an identical miracle to that prayed for Mrs. Marilyn Braxton back in 1988.... I might have refused to give her the appropriate amount of credit that I think she deserves now in 2020.... partly due to my tendency to be too emotionally involved with my denomination back in 1988?!

Did Mrs. Marilyn Braxton pray in an especially effective manner?

@createdtoworship

In the Old Testament, God commanded the Israelites to go to war.
While God or Jesus does not require us believers today under the New Covenant to go to war with other nations physically, we are in a spiritual battle for men's souls. Jesus will also return from down out of the clouds on a white horse and destroy all the remaining nations that will come up against Him. So God is not exactly against war. God's use of war is to bring in peace, protect His people, and to destroy evil.

As for the pie charts:

Well, seeing Jesus taught His people to be Non-resistant in the New Covenant, it is logical to assume that all wars since the ministry of Christ and His death, burial, and resurrection are a byproduct of the enemy camp, and not God. So based on the Bible, the pie chart is true. Well, that is if one believes in the New Covenant teaching on Non-Resistance. Yes, God can use armies, the police, etc. for His greater plan for good, and for administering justice, etc. but the Lord does not call His people (Christians) to physically fight today. Christians play a different role in God's plan than say soldiers, or policemen.

Anyways, you may enjoy this thread I created here:

Nonresistance as Taught in the New Testament is Moral and Good.

Thank you for the thread and the informative information.

May God bless you
(Even if we may not agree exactly on everything).

Going to say it right now since nobody else has;

If you break down religion, it's a set of ideals. Ideology is a crucial--if not the very foundation--of cultures. When wars are fought, it's either because of;

1. Politics

2. Power

3. Money

4. Ideology

Religion itself does not necessarily cause wars, though it does have a place in them. Ideology and culture play a much bigger part, but the issue is that religion stems from ideologies; not the other way around. Let's say, for example, somewhere along the lines far into the future religion is seemed as too 'divisive' or 'evil' to exist. Let's say that people decide it's easier to live in a nonreligious society. Do you know what that means? People who practice religion will almost certainly be either outcasted at best--thrown into jail for breaking the law or even killed, at a worse and more likely extreme. What do you get then?

An oppressive ideology.

When you do that, you become just as bad as the oppressive leaders of religion you claim to push back against. Even Atheists(though normally the ones falling under 'anti-theism' or 'militant atheists')can have borderline oppressive ideologies. I wonder what the world would be like if those kinds of people were in power, and if they'd respect each person's individual autonomy then?

createdtoworship said:

"All religion does is cause war!"
"What have Christians done for the sciences and humanities?"

Enjoy this graphic.
View attachment 272420

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This graph is a simplification of the data. Some debate remains as to if the 7% figure should be lower considering a lot of movements are contained in the number. The percentage drops to 3% after the Islamic wars are deducted.​

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What have Christians done for the sciences and humanities? Created the free world, that’s all.

createdtoworship said:

again less than 3% of wars are caused by non islamic religion while over 80% of nobel PEACE PRIZES are christian, read that again.

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Do you ever proof read whatever you write ? The above statement is saying that 97% of the wars are caused by Islamic religion.

createdtoworship said:

how do you figure?

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createdtoworship said:

again less than 3% of wars are caused by non islamic religion

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If less than 3% of the wars are caused by non islamic religion that means over 97% of the wars are caused by islamic religion.

I am sure you did not exactly mean that , but that is what you wrote.

How about writing less but being more logical , consistent and factual.