What Can Separate Us From The Love Of God?

FineLinen said:

NOTHING!

1. Not death.
   
   
2. Not life.
   
   
3. Not angels.
   
   
4. Not powers.
   
   
5. Not the present/ not the future.
   
   
6. No power.

ouden= NOTHING

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers

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2nd Peter (3:15-16)
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Good Day,

I am with Augustine on this:

Augustine (354-430): "Perish the thought, however, that Dr. Christ should lose in those whom he foreknew and predestined; because they are the ones he also called; and those he called are the ones he also justified; while those he justified are the ones he also glorified. Curb your vices, quench your lusts, let the devil and his angels be tormented with frustration; if God is for us, who can be against us"? (Rom 8:29-31). John E. Rotelle, O.S.A., ed., WSA, Part 3, Vol. 6, trans. Edmund Hill, O.P., Sermons, Sermon 229E.3 (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), p. 283.

I believe the passage in OP is suggesting that nothing, absolutely nothing, could ever separate us from God's Love if we are his sheep. There is much comfort to be had in this passage especially for those who are struggling in the faith.

FineLinen said:

NOTHING!

1. Not death.
   
   
2. Not life.
   
   
3. Not angels.
   
   
4. Not powers.
   
   
5. Not the present/ not the future.
   
   
6. No power.

ouden= NOTHING

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers

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Well finally there is something we agree on! When a person in this life gets born again there is nothing that can destroy our relationship with god. sin can block our fellowship but not our relationship!

But for the unbeliever who dies in their unbelief:

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

John 3:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 King James Version (KJV)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Revelation 20:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

For these terrible things that await those who refuse ot receive Christ or do not hear the gospel, that is why we need to heed these two verses:

Matthew 28:19-20 King James Version (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Romans 10:12-15 King James Version (KJV)
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!


God has ordained the preaching of the good news of Jesus to each and every member of the body! woe unto us if we do not obey our part in that call!

visionary said:

God is a gentleman, and if you make up your mind that you do not want to be convicted of sin, nor have God in your life, He will leave. That will be the ultimate separation from God. God will love you but will also honor your request. That is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

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Just like that whole bunch of times, Israel didn't want him to convict them of their sin, but he did anyway, in a totally gentlemanly way.

FineLinen said:

Nothing separates His sheep from His goats!

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Actually He does...

"Before Him all the nations will be gathered, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats."

FineLinen said:

NOTHING!

1. Not death.
   
   
2. Not life.
   
   
3. Not angels.
   
   
4. Not powers.
   
   
5. Not the present/ not the future.
   
   
6. No power.

ouden= NOTHING

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers

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Only ourselves, which is the only reason why hell is a possibility.

FineLinen said:

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FineLinen said:

Nonsense!
All four hell's are consummated in the Lake of Theos radiating with theion and theioo!
Nothing = nothing.
Ouden = nothing.
Nothing separates us from His love.

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That is correct nothing can separate "us" i.e. "God's elect," NOT all mankind.
Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to by quoting selective verses out-of-context.

FineLinen said:

NOTHING!

1. Not death.
   
   
2. Not life.
   
   
3. Not angels.
   
   
4. Not powers.
   
   
5. Not the present/ not the future.
   
   
6. No power.

ouden= NOTHING

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers

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I regularly find great comfort in this passage.

FineLinen said:

Nonsense!

All four hell's are consummated in the Lake of Theos radiating with theion and theioo!

Nothing = nothing.

Ouden = nothing.

Nothing separates us from His love.

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Nothing separates those who love Him from His love. That said, you espouse a non-Christian novel theology if universalism is your thought. Sin has already exiled us from Eden into a place somewhere between heaven and hell, with countless victims suffering unspeakable atrocities/evil down through the centuries.

FineLinen said:

NOTHING!

1. Not death.
   
   
2. Not life.
   
   
3. Not angels.
   
   
4. Not powers.
   
   
5. Not the present/ not the future.
   
   
6. No power.

ouden= NOTHING

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers

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SIN separates us from God....

ISAIAH 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

The word used here (בדל bâdal) conveys the idea of division, usually by a curtain or a wall Exodus 26:33; Ezekiel 42:20. Thus the 'firmament' (רקיע râqı̂ya‛, "expanse") is said to have "divided" or "separated" (מבדיל mabedı̂yl) the waters from the waters Genesis 1:6. The idea here is, that their sins were like a partition between them and God, so that there was no contact between them and him.

This is in line with...

PROVERBS 28:9[9] He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

May you receive Gods Word and be blessed..

Universalism was defeated and condemned at the 5th Ecumenical Council in 553 A.D. / Thread

CHURCH FATHERS: Second Council of Constantinople (A.D. 553)




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