Bernie Sanders Train Rolls Through Nevada

Robin Mauro · Feb 25, 2020

Hammster said:
My hope is that when he’s thoroughly defeated in November that it will put an end to this Socialist nonsense.

Democratic socialism is not nonsense; it is all about fairness and our taxes going for the common good, rather than to the rich, through tax breaks, bail outs, corporate welfare... And it in no way eliminates capitalism, it just makes it more fair. And God is all about fairness, justice, love...
Propping up the rich is not Biblical at all.

Hammster · Feb 25, 2020

Robin Mauro said:
Democratic socialism is not nonsense; it is all about fairness and our taxes going for the common good, rather than to the rich, through tax breaks, bail outs, corporate welfare... And it in no way eliminates capitalism, it just makes it more fair. And God is all about fairness, justice, love...
Propping up the rich is not Biblical at all.

Socialism doesn’t work. Never has. Never will.

Robin Mauro · Feb 25, 2020

Robin Mauro said:
Go Bernie!

Jacksbratt, I guess you didn't get the memo; you are not allowed to use the funny icon on this website to make fun of someone's post

Robin Mauro · Feb 25, 2020

Hammster said:
Socialism doesn’t work. Never has. Never will.

That is the Faux news line. Please, actually listen to what Bernie has to say. It is democratic socialism. What we have now is the rich and powerful using capitaism to benefit themselves only. It is not right, and it is not Biblical. It hurts the masses and the planet which we all depend on.
"The love of money is the root of all evil."

Hammster · Feb 25, 2020

Robin Mauro said:
That is the Faux news line. Please, actually listen to what Bernie has to say. It is democratic socialism. What we have now is the rich and powerful using capitaism to benefit themselves only. It is not right, and it is not Biblical. It hurts the masses and the planet which we all depend on.
"The love of money is the root of all evil."

If you’re going to attempt to quote scripture, at least quote it right.

ArmenianJohn · Feb 25, 2020

Hammster said:
And I explained why you are wrong. Acts 2 and 4 do not involve the government.

It doesn't matter. Acts shows that this model of socialism was good for the Early Church. As a Christian, I will seek to instill my Christian values in the government in which I have a voice/vote. Just as I may oppose abortion and seek for the government to restrict it I will also seek to have our government do what's most in line with God's Will.

There are a lot of things which the Bible teaches is right and good yet doesn't say it's for the government to impose upon people. The Bible doesn't say anything should be supported by the government yet we still choose to have our government do whatever we can that's most in line with God's Word. I can say the same about murder - Bible doesn't say government should outlaw murder or make laws against it, but it does say it's wrong and we Christians do support it being government-instilled because it's our morality.

ArmenianJohn · Feb 25, 2020

Robin Mauro said:
It [corporate welfare/socialism in place of humanitarian socialism] is antithetical to everything the Bible teaches about loving each other, fairness, justice, etc.

Thank you, Robin - this line of yours quoted above says it the best though.

ArmenianJohn · Feb 25, 2020

Yekcidmij said:
....so... he is a socialist according to you. You even use the very term. I'm not sure why you think attaching "Democratic" as an adjective to the noun "socialist" somehow means the noun loses it's meaning in a sentence.

You're the one who wants to play semantics. We are all socialists, if you want to get to the bottom of it. We all use socialized police/fire/emergency services. We have socialist trash collection, socialist "public" services", socialist schools.

Or do you want to say those things are not socialist? Do you want to pick and choose which socialist things you will call "socialist" and which ones you won't? That's all you're doing and that's just game-plying, semantics.

Yes, adding "Democratic" to "Socialist" changes things. You know the explanation but you choose to not accept it. That's fine, but you can't just make up your own definitions for yourself and then expect me or others to follow them.

Yekcidmij said:
Do you think LBJ or FDR were apologists for Stalin or Castro's methods?

Well, if Stalin or Castro supported some form of what we call "Social Security" then FDR clearly was an apologist for at least that method of social service (i.e. socialism). How would you like to twist that one, now?

Yekcidmij said:
I mean, if you produce evidence that FDR or LBJ carried water for Castro or Stalin or promoted their propaganda or self-identified as socialists, I'll be happy to point out the same problem with them as well if it makes you feel better. This thread isn't really about FDR or LBJ, but if it helps you...

FDR and LBJ carried water for Castro and Stalin as much as Bernie has. The fact is that none of them carried water for anyone. Water is piped through a modern plumbing system in the times of all those men. There is no need to carry water.

This thread is about FDR and LBJ and other presidents who were very socialist in their policies. Bernie is just another in that line and that is the topic of this thread.

Bernie train gonna roll through again tonight TOOOT TOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!! ALLLLLL ABOARD!!!!

You gonna miss the train and be stuck at the station?

Jermayn · Feb 25, 2020

ArmenianJohn said:
He doesn't "[carry] water for Castro, USSR [sic] and Venezuela", that's nothing more than a smear. He's a Democratic Socialist, not "a socialist". There's a difference. He is like FDR or LBJ - were they "socialists"?

Jermayn · Feb 25, 2020

ArmenianJohn said:
No, he didn't "bern" himself. He said nothing wrong. Folks like you and the ones at FOX News who wrote that article just look for anything you can try to twist to slander someone.

Why don't you do the right thing and support Bernie in this election? You can't stop it, might as well join it.

I think you're being a little overconfident. There's no way Bernie is defeating Trump in a general election. Establishment Democrats know this and will prevent his nomination, but even if they did think he could win against Trump, they still don't want anything to do with him because his "vision" for America is insane, even by their standards.

Archivist · Feb 25, 2020

Bernie Sanders Train Rolls Through Nevada

I didn't realize that Bernie had been traveling by train in Nevada.

Yekcidmij · Feb 25, 2020

ArmenianJohn said:
You're the one who wants to play semantics. We are all socialists, if you want to get to the bottom of it.

Speaking of equivocation.

We all use socialized police/fire/emergency services. We have socialist trash collection, socialist "public" services", socialist schools. Or do you want to say those things are not socialist?

Again you equivocate so you can help push Castro and USSR propaganda. It's anything but convincing.

I guess I'm a socialist too since my family operates in a socialist manner. Heck, for the kids it's a dictatorship, so I guess I'm pro-tyranny in your book too. My friends and I are pretty socialist and democratic to the extreme. No, this is obviously equivocation. You assume scale invariance where the inner workings of families or local services scale to state control of production. What you describe with local services is a form of decentralization and localism, which is quite the opposite of what Sanders promotes (and defends in the cases of Cuba, Venezuela, and the USSR) in nationalism, state control, and centralization. It's quite said you can't see your fallacy. You assume socialism at scale is the same as socialism localized and small, as if a kibbutz with 200 people would be the same as a kibbutz with 333 million people. This is quite a ridiculous assumption on it's face.

FDR and LBJ carried water for Castro and Stalin as much as Bernie has.

Feel free to provide evidence for the claim. Like I said, I'll point out the problem with them as well, so I'm not sure what you think this will accomplish.

This thread is about FDR and LBJ and other presidents who were very socialist in their policies.

Did LBJ or FDR self-identify with the socialist brands of the USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela? Did they serve as apologists for those regimes? I mean, provide evidence if you have it. I'll say the same about them, so it won't accomplish anything for you.

You gonna miss the train and be stuck at the station?

Here it comes:

Hammster · Feb 25, 2020

ArmenianJohn said:
It doesn't matter. Acts shows that this model of socialism was good for the Early Church. As a Christian, I will seek to instill my Christian values in the government in which I have a voice/vote. Just as I may oppose abortion and seek for the government to restrict it I will also seek to have our government do what's most in line with God's Will.

There are a lot of things which the Bible teaches is right and good yet doesn't say it's for the government to impose upon people. The Bible doesn't say anything should be supported by the government yet we still choose to have our government do whatever we can that's most in line with God's Word. I can say the same about murder - Bible doesn't say government should outlaw murder or make laws against it, but it does say it's wrong and we Christians do support it being government-instilled because it's our morality.

Lol. It doesn’t matter. What exactly doesn’t matter? That you are using scripture incorrectly to promote your views?

ArmenianJohn · Feb 25, 2020

Hammster said:
Lol. It doesn’t matter. What exactly doesn’t matter? That you are using scripture incorrectly to promote your views?

I explained what doesn't matter and why. If you're just ignoring what I've already explained why should I bother to answer and explain it again? Go re-read the post and if you're having trouble understanding it then let me know which part(s) you couldn't understand.

ArmenianJohn · Feb 25, 2020

Jermayn said:

Fake news - and a fake picture

ArmenianJohn · Feb 25, 2020

Jermayn said:
I think you're being a little overconfident. There's no way Bernie is defeating Trump in a general election. Establishment Democrats know this and will prevent his nomination, but even if they did think he could win against Trump, they still don't want anything to do with him because his "vision" for America is insane, even by their standards.

I think you're being a little overconfident. There is no way Trump can beat Bernie in a general election. In fact, at this point, Trump probably can't beat anyone other than Hillary and Hillary isn't going to be his opponent this time. Trump got so lucky to draw Hillary as his opponent last time, she's about the only person as sleazy as him which gave him a chance to snatch a cheap victory (i.e. one where he lost the popular vote by millions).

But enough about Trump, let's talk about Establishment Democrats since you brought them up. Establishment Democrats are stupid. They are bought and paid for just like Republicans. They would prefer to see Trump beat Sanders. Yes, Sanders is "insane" by their standards because they have the same standards as Trump and the Republicans, i.e. follow any dollar dangled in front of their greedy, money-worshiping little heads. To these insane, greedy devils a person who is sane and has humanity and compassion is "insane". To the world, Jesus Himself was crazy, insane, deserving of pure contempt.

Thanks for giving Bernie the ultimate compliment by saying he's "insane" by the standards of the Democratic Establishment (and, by extension, the Republicans and Trump). Best Bernie endorsement in this thread so far!

Hammster · Feb 25, 2020

ArmenianJohn said:
I explained what doesn't matter and why. If you're just ignoring what I've already explained why should I bother to answer and explain it again? Go re-read the post and if you're having trouble understanding it then let me know which part(s) you couldn't understand.

I understand that you are trying to shoehorn socialism into scripture. You are twisting what was said and intended. That’s easy to understand.

ArmenianJohn · Feb 26, 2020

Hammster said:
I understand that you are trying to shoehorn socialism into scripture. You are twisting what was said and intended. That’s easy to understand.

No need to "shoehorn" it into scripture - it's clearly already there as the model used by the Early Church.

If anything I'm "trying to shoehorn it" into government - I don't agree with that terminology but that would be more accurate for what you're trying to say. I believe that Biblical principles should be applied in our government wherever possible and this is one of them. The Bible never dictates or commands for any of its principles to be instituted in government. Rather, we have liberty to do as much as our governmental authorities permit and are to be subject to them.

Hammster · Feb 26, 2020

ArmenianJohn said:
No need to "shoehorn" it into scripture - it's clearly already there as the model used by the Early Church.

If anything I'm "trying to shoehorn it" into government - I don't agree with that terminology but that would be more accurate for what you're trying to say. I believe that Biblical principles should be applied in our government wherever possible and this is one of them. The Bible never dictates or commands for any of its principles to be instituted in government. Rather, we have liberty to do as much as our governmental authorities permit and are to be subject to them.

Once again, government involvement is nowhere present in Acts 2 or 4.

ArmenianJohn · Feb 26, 2020

Hammster said:
Once again, government involvement is nowhere present in Acts 2 or 4.

Once again, socialism is the societal model presented in Acts 2 and 4.

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