Kanye West's "Christian" - "Sunday Service" - Jesus is King Album, Chick Fil-A & the Real Lord's Day

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Found this interesting position online (posting in full)

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"Kanye West's "Christian" - "Sunday Service" - Jesus is King Album, Chick Fil-A & the Real Lord's Day


Kanye West, known for being one who said that he was "God", and even having a label of Yeezus, which was supposedly in relation to Jay-Z's name of Jay-HOV (all of which are completely blasphemous, as the real names in the scripture are Jesus and JEHOVAH), has reportedly become "christian" and even has a new album, Jesus is King, in which the 4th song, speaks about Chick Fil-A and "Sunday" as the Lord's day.

"... Kanye West has a new song called "Closed on Sunday" that references Chick-fil-A.

"Closed on Sunday, you my Chick-fil-A," the song begins.

Chick-fil-A closes all of its locations on Sunday because of founder Truett Cathy's Christian faith. ...

... "Closed on Sunday" is the fourth track on "Jesus Is King," West's new album that was released on Friday. Prior to Friday, the song was in rotation during West's listening parties for his new songs. ...”

“… The song goes on to preach against Instagram ("Hold the selfies, put the 'Gram away") and the importance of faith ("Follow Jesus, listen and obey"). West ends the song with a cry of "Chick-fil-A!"

Chick-fil-A declined to comment on the song. But, the fast-food shout-out seems fitting for the gospel-influenced album. Every location of the fast-food chain is closed on Sunday. ...

... West has also made financial investments into the fast-food industry. ..." - Kanye West has a new song called 'Closed on Sunday' that heavily references Chick-fil-A - Kanye West has a new song called 'Closed on Sunday' that heavily references Chick-fil-A

One, it is just silliness (and terrible bad as a piece of music), and has nothing to do with holiness, nor the sacredness of God or JEHOVAH Elohiym's, and thus Jesus' doctrine or Gospel.

What is interesting, is that Kanye West, in April 25, 2018, tweeted about Donald J Trump:

"... You don’t have to agree with trump but the mob can’t make me not love him. We are both dragon energy. He is my brother. ..." - Metro CO UK - What is the Kanye West Donald Trump connection? | Metro News

Seriously speaking, and with all humility, Kanye West is (speaking from outside perspective) without knowledge about which day is the Lord's day.

It is not the first day of the week ('Sunday'), but the 7th day (the Sabbath of the LORD thy God; Genesis 2 vs 1-3; Exodus 20 vs 8-11, etc).

Kanye West is being used by the entertainment ('enter' to come into, 'tain' - to be held captive, 'ment' - continuous, or the act of ongoing or being) industry to promote Sunday sacredness, which is not found once in all of Holy scripture (KJB).

If you would like to see why this is, turn to Daniel 3, "all kinds of musick", in association with Babylonian, false worship, and likewise turn to Ezekiel 8 vs 16, in that those who professed to worship God, were really turning their back to God's Law of Ten Commandments and worshipping the Sun (and today it is Sunday), so that people might bow down to an idol (and child) of the Papacy, Sunday.

A national Sunday law is coming soon from America to the globe, see Revelation 14 vs 6-12.


This is no joke, or one can simply watch the following:


What is the Lord's day? Let the Bible speak:

The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord.

Genesis 2:1-3,4 - 'the seventh day', 'God', 'day', 'the LORD God' [… God [the LORD] … day …]

Exodus 16:23 - "the LORD", "to morrow [the seventh day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD' [... the LORD ... [day] ...]

Exodus 16:25 - 'to day [the seventh day]; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 20:8-11 - 'the sabbath day', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God', 'sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day ...]

Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD ... the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 35:2,3 - 'the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD', 'the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

Leviticus 23:3 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD'

Deuteronomy 5:12,14 – 'the LORD', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God' [… the LORD … day …]

Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD'

Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath [day] from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant) [... the LORD ... sabbath [day] ...]

Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sabbath ... my [the LORD's] holy day ... the holy [day] of the Lord' [... [the LORD's] ... day]

Isaiah 66:22,23 – 'the LORD', 'one sabbath [day] to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD' [… the LORD … [day] …]

Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith the LORD... on the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]' [... the ... Lord ... [day]]

Revelation 1:10 - 'the Lord's day'

There is no such thing as 'Sunday sacredness' in all of Scripture, except as a Mark of the Beast (Daniel 7:25).

iu


Anyone may see the original hand typed here - Link

Large photocopy Link here

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Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity (Lord’s Day Alliance of the U.S., April, 2015). - Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity

Have questions? Be sincere. Be honest. Be truthful. What is repentance? Want a real blessing, then read Acts 3 vs 26, for sin is the transgression of God's sacred Law, 1 John 3 vs 4.

iu


We would even love to hear from Kanye West and family, personally, that he too might not be deceived, or deceiving."

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That is the whole of it. Comments welcome.
 

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Found this interesting position online (posting in full)

Begin quotation:

"Kanye West's "Christian" - "Sunday Service" - Jesus is King Album, Chick Fil-A & the Real Lord's Day


Kanye West, known for being one who said that he was "God", and even having a label of Yeezus, which was supposedly in relation to Jay-Z's name of Jay-HOV (all of which are completely blasphemous, as the real names in the scripture are Jesus and JEHOVAH), has reportedly become "christian" and even has a new album, Jesus is King, in which the 4th song, speaks about Chick Fil-A and "Sunday" as the Lord's day.

"... Kanye West has a new song called "Closed on Sunday" that references Chick-fil-A.

"Closed on Sunday, you my Chick-fil-A," the song begins.

Chick-fil-A closes all of its locations on Sunday because of founder Truett Cathy's Christian faith. ...

... "Closed on Sunday" is the fourth track on "Jesus Is King," West's new album that was released on Friday. Prior to Friday, the song was in rotation during West's listening parties for his new songs. ...”

“… The song goes on to preach against Instagram ("Hold the selfies, put the 'Gram away") and the importance of faith ("Follow Jesus, listen and obey"). West ends the song with a cry of "Chick-fil-A!"

Chick-fil-A declined to comment on the song. But, the fast-food shout-out seems fitting for the gospel-influenced album. Every location of the fast-food chain is closed on Sunday. ...

... West has also made financial investments into the fast-food industry. ..." - Kanye West has a new song called 'Closed on Sunday' that heavily references Chick-fil-A - Kanye West has a new song called 'Closed on Sunday' that heavily references Chick-fil-A

One, it is just silliness (and terrible bad as a piece of music), and has nothing to do with holiness, nor the sacredness of God or JEHOVAH Elohiym's, and thus Jesus' doctrine or Gospel.

What is interesting, is that Kanye West, in April 25, 2018, tweeted about Donald J Trump:

"... You don’t have to agree with trump but the mob can’t make me not love him. We are both dragon energy. He is my brother. ..." - Metro CO UK - What is the Kanye West Donald Trump connection? | Metro News

Seriously speaking, and with all humility, Kanye West is (speaking from outside perspective) without knowledge about which day is the Lord's day.

It is not the first day of the week ('Sunday'), but the 7th day (the Sabbath of the LORD thy God; Genesis 2 vs 1-3; Exodus 20 vs 8-11, etc).

Kanye West is being used by the entertainment ('enter' to come into, 'tain' - to be held captive, 'ment' - continuous, or the act of ongoing or being) industry to promote Sunday sacredness, which is not found once in all of Holy scripture (KJB).

If you would like to see why this is, turn to Daniel 3, "all kinds of musick", in association with Babylonian, false worship, and likewise turn to Ezekiel 8 vs 16, in that those who professed to worship God, were really turning their back to God's Law of Ten Commandments and worshipping the Sun (and today it is Sunday), so that people might bow down to an idol (and child) of the Papacy, Sunday.

A national Sunday law is coming soon from America to the globe, see Revelation 14 vs 6-12.


This is no joke, or one can simply watch the following:


What is the Lord's day? Let the Bible speak:

The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord.

Genesis 2:1-3,4 - 'the seventh day', 'God', 'day', 'the LORD God' [… God [the LORD] … day …]

Exodus 16:23 - "the LORD", "to morrow [the seventh day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD' [... the LORD ... [day] ...]

Exodus 16:25 - 'to day [the seventh day]; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 20:8-11 - 'the sabbath day', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God', 'sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day ...]

Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD ... the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 35:2,3 - 'the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD', 'the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

Leviticus 23:3 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD'

Deuteronomy 5:12,14 – 'the LORD', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God' [… the LORD … day …]

Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD'

Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath [day] from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant) [... the LORD ... sabbath [day] ...]

Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sabbath ... my [the LORD's] holy day ... the holy [day] of the Lord' [... [the LORD's] ... day]

Isaiah 66:22,23 – 'the LORD', 'one sabbath [day] to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD' [… the LORD … [day] …]

Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith the LORD... on the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]' [... the ... Lord ... [day]]

Revelation 1:10 - 'the Lord's day'

There is no such thing as 'Sunday sacredness' in all of Scripture, except as a Mark of the Beast (Daniel 7:25).

iu


Anyone may see the original hand typed here - Link

Large photocopy Link here

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Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity (Lord’s Day Alliance of the U.S., April, 2015). - Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity

Have questions? Be sincere. Be honest. Be truthful. What is repentance? Want a real blessing, then read Acts 3 vs 26, for sin is the transgression of God's sacred Law, 1 John 3 vs 4.

iu


We would even love to hear from Kanye West and family, personally, that he too might not be deceived, or deceiving."

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That is the whole of it. Comments welcome.
Any time a public figure becomes a Christian from a worldly background, many fake Christians line up in judgement and condemnation to express their doubt in the authenticity of the conversion.

I’ve seen many Kanye interviews post conversion and he seems very focused on the word of God, true gospel, and has a spirit of repentance for past sins.
 
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It continues:

"The context shows that the "day" spoken of, in each texts presented is "the LORD('s)". John as a physical Jew, who was following the Messiah (Jesus), thus a Christian, was on the Isle of Patmos, for what reason?

Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

It is even given in other places:

Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
What is this "word of God" and the "testimony/witness of Jesus"? We do not have to in any way guess, for John tells us in parallel fashion:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

This is found way back in the OT:

Deu_4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.​

So, when John references "the Lord's day", it is in the context of "the word of God", which are God's Commandments. Well, which commandment then? Again, we do not have to guess, for John tells us:

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
What specific commandment, was John citing? The 4th Commandment, specifically, Exodus 20:11,

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

The whole Commandment:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
That little word "of" is possessive. Thus when God speaks, by His own voice, the He (the LORD) has chosen a specific (definite article) "day", it is thus "the LORD('s) ... day", being His sabbath, the 7th day, from the foundation of the world in Genesis 2:1-3, where therein it is "God('s; the LORD's) ... day".

The "word of God" = God's commandments:

Isa_1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.​

and the "testimony of Jesus" is the Spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10), and as found all throughout scripture:

2Ki_17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.

Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psa_78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children

Pro_29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
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Isa_8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isa_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Lam_2:9 Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD.

Eze_7:26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.

Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Therefore, notice again the connection of the Apostle and prophet John, who receives a "vision", in connection with keeping God's commandments, and was resting specifically on "the LORD's day":

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,​

The Law (Lord's day) and the testimony (spirit of prophecy) again are witnessed therein.

Even in Isaiah 58:13, in many 'modern' translations, the phrase "the LORD's holy day" appear - Isaiah 58:13 - Bible Gateway

"Holy" is merely the adjective.

It always speaks of the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD, His holy day.

Line upon line, and no need for a single non-scriptural source to re-define by the man of sin's tradition."
 
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Further still:

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Revelation 1:10:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Rev 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

Rev 1:10 I wasG1096 inG1722 the SpiritG4151 onG1722 theG3588 Lord'sG2960 day,G2250 andG2532 heardG191 behindG3694 meG3450 a greatG3173 voice,G5456 asG5613 of a trumpet,G4536

Rev 1:10 εγενομηνG1096 V-2ADI-1S ενG1722 PREP πνευματιG4151 N-DSN ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF κυριακηG2960 A-DSF ημεραG2250 N-DSF καιG2532 CONJ ηκουσαG191 V-AAI-1S οπισωG3694 ADV μουG1473 P-1GS φωνηνG5456 N-ASF μεγαληνG3173 A-ASF ωςG5613 ADV σαλπιγγοςG4536 N-GSF​

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfilment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23..

This is not as the phrase "day of the Lord" (ἡμέρα κυρίου) which is written in the genitive masculine case (see 2 Peter 3:10, etc, and also so called septuaginta uses).

In Latin, we see it similarly used in Exodus 20 (Latin is without the definite article, as Latin does not use definite articles):

Rev 1:10 fui in spiritu in dominica die et audivi post me vocem magnam tamquam tubae

Exo 20:8 memento ut diem sabbati sanctifices
Exo 20:9 sex diebus operaberis et facies omnia opera tua
Exo 20:10 septimo autem die sabbati Domini Dei tui non facies omne opus tu et filius tuus et filia tua servus tuus et ancilla tua iumentum tuum et advena qui est intra portas tuas
Exo 20:11 sex enim diebus fecit Dominus caelum et terram et mare et omnia quae in eis sunt et requievit in die septimo idcirco benedixit Dominus diei sabbati et sanctificavit eum
Which is akin to Genesis' "God's day":

Gen 2:1 igitur perfecti sunt caeli et terra et omnis ornatus eorum
Gen 2:2 conplevitque Deus die septimo opus suum quod fecerat et requievit die septimo ab universo opere quod patrarat
Gen 2:3 et benedixit diei septimo et sanctificavit illum quia in ipso cessaverat ab omni opere suo quod creavit Deus ut faceret
Whereas the differing apocalyptic day, "the day of the Lord" in Latin is "dies Domini" as in Zephaniah 1:14:

Zep 1:14 iuxta est dies Domini magnus iuxta et velox nimis vox diei Domini amara tribulabitur ibi fortis
In Isaiah 58:13, we read of a "day" that "the Lord" specifically calls "my day":

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:​

In many translations of Isaiah 58:13 we read that the 7th day, the sabbath of the Lord, is said to be "the Lord's holy day", with the word holy being another adjective, while the "Lord's" is possessive. - /Isaiah 58:13 - Bible Gateway

Thus when reading Isaiah 58:13 with simple pronoun substitution, it would read "... the ... [Lord's] day ...", just as it does in Exodus 20:8-11.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

In Genesis we see why this day is uniquely "Gods'", or "the Lord's" day, for in it God rested. This is the reason Jesus could say:

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.​

For in that He created in Genesis, and rested, Colossians 1:16.

Further, we can see some honest persons, among the many commentators that like to simply assume their apriori into the text, or to place future definition back into the text, from non-scriptural materials.

Peter Pett's commentary makes this accurate note:

"... Sunday is not called ‘the Lord’s day’ (he kyriake hemera) anywhere in Scripture ..." .

Dr. Thomas Constable likewise states the same truth:

"... The New Testament writers never called Sunday the Lord"s day elsewhere in Scripture. ..." .

Richard Chenevix Trench has stated on record, and accurately that:


"... “Some have assumed, from this passage, that ἡμέρα κυριακή was a designation of Sunday already familiar among Christians. This, however, seems a mistake ..." .
Likewise, Foy E Wallace states:

"... It is not a reference to the first day of the week ..." ."​
 
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Moreover:

"Another thing I have found, is that people attempt to define "the Lord's day" by the so-called "ECF" (easily confused fellows; of the 1-4th century AD, etc), instead of going back to the real "fathers"; the Patriarchs and Prophets of Scripture themselves, like John, James and Peter and Paul, and even further back unto Abraham, Moses, David, and those like them, and have those "fathers" tell us, as mouthpieces for God. I find them in the inspired and preserved words of God, and I do not find people like spurious Ignatius, imaginary Didache, self-refuting pseudo Barnabas, etc.

They would place those persons in afteryears above the definition that Jesus gave.

Spurious and Imaginary?

Yes, Spurious, Imaginary, etc:

The writings so often cited to try to define "the Lord's day" outside of scripture, and long after John passed from the scene, are often forged (like Ignatius) and also abused, of which any may see that here - Sunday Fraud: Church "Fathers" on the Lord's Day

The Bible says:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.​

God even warned all that they would "think" to "change times and laws" (of which the 4th Commandment, the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD is both time and law) of the Most High God:

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.​

Notice some of the fraud:

Here is the long form of the citation, since there are several conflicting:

"... For if we still live according to the Jewish law, and the circumcision of the flesh, we deny that we have received grace.—ch. 8.

But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits which have no sense in them. And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week].—ch. 9.

It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with the tongue, and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end. For where there is Christianity there cannot be Judaism.—ch. 10.

These things [I address to you], my beloved, not that I know any of you to be in such a state; but, as less than any of you, I desire to guard you beforehand, that ye fall not upon the hooks of vain doctrine, but that you may rather attain to a full assurance in Christ . . . .—ch. 11. ..." - ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Let's examine the longer form first, with which the reader will immediately notice a severe problem. The very quote that is supposed to prove that "Christians . . . never [worshipped] on the Sabbath" actually commands "every" Christian to "keep the Sabbath"! Moreover, since the quote also forbids Judaizing, it follows that the writer of the long form of this epistle believed that Sabbath keeping transcended Judiaism. In other words, a Christian could tell people that they needed to keep the Sabbath without being guilty of Judaizing!

The words "and after the observance of the Sabbath" were intentionally deleted from the quote. Another example of fraud?

Now to the other shorter form. The epistles of Ignatius are spurious or forgeries - Link or Link.

Amazing, having to rely upon spurious writings, pseudo-works, which are forgeries.

The original Greek (Didache 14:1) does not have the word for "day" anywhere in that sentence and secondly, neither is the word "Sunday" present.

"... 1. Κατὰ κυριακὴν δὲ κυρίου συναχθέντες κλάσατε ἄρτον καὶ εὐχαριστήσατε, προεξομολογησάμενοι τὰ παραπτώματα ὑμῶν, ὅπως καθαρὰ ἡ θυσία ὑμῶν ᾐ. ..." - The Twelve Apostles-Didache

Where is the word for "day" (hemera)? Where is the word for "Sunday"? Where is the word "first"?

It literally reads, "κυριακὴν δὲ κυρίου" (Lord of Lord).

The translation that most propose to prove Sunday sacredness or that it is the 'Lord's day' is imaginary.

So far, we have spurious and imaginary.

Then they attempt Pseudo Barnabas:

According to pseudo-Barnabas (ought we to really trust a letter that claims to be from another, didn't Paul warn about such letters being circulated? 2 Thessalonians 2:2), we are too wicked (Christians are too wicked???) at present to keep the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD, and will not be able to keep it until we are sanctified when Christ returns (so we are going to keep Sabbath again in the New Heavens and New Earth, that doesn't sound like people use this quote for). Because we are too wicked to keep the Sabbath now, we must keep Sunday instead. What good does this reasoning do for the cause of Sunday sacredness or holiness if we are too wicked?

Pseudo Barnabas also teaches the earth ends in the 7,000th year from creation. Do they accept this also?, No, as they believe in the false philosophy of evolutionism and long-agism.

Any may also see the forgery of Justin Martyr here - Doctrine - Sabbath - William H Shea - The Justin Martyr Forgery About Sabbath And Sunday The First Day Of The Week : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive "
 
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Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.​

Where did this take place in history, and by whom? Well, we do not have to guess, as the one's who did so, are very open about doing so:

For instance:

Latin:


"... Similiter et feriae a fando dicuntur, ob quam causam Silvester papa primus apud Romanos constituit ut dierum nomina quae antea secundum nomina deorum suorum vocabant, id est, Solis, Lunae, Martis, Mercurii, Veneris, Saturni, feria deinceps vocarent, id est, prima feria, secunda feria, tertia feria, quarta feria, quinta feria, sexta feria, quia in principio Genesis scriptum est quod Deus per singulos dies dixerit : prima, Fiat Lux; secunda, Fiat firmamentum; tertia, Producat terra herbam virentem, similiter, etc. Sabbatum autem antiquo legis vocabulo vocare praecepit, et primam feriam diem Dominicam, eo quod Dominus in illa resurrexit. Statuit autem idem papa ut otium sabbati magis in diem Dominicam transferretur, ut ea die a terrenis operibus ad laudandum Deum vacaremus, justa illud quod scriptum est : Vacate et videte, quoniam ego sum Deus (Psal. XLV). ..." - Beati Rabani Mauri, Fuldensis Abbatis et Moguntini Archiepiscopi, de Clericorum Institutione, ad Heistulphum Archiepiscopum; Libri Tres. (Anno 819.) Ad Fratres Fuldenses Epigramma Ejusdem; Liber Secundus, Caput XLVI. Column 361 (Left; PDF page 35) - http://www.documentacatholicaomnia....eistulphum_Archiepiscopum_Libri_Tres,_MLT.pdf

Translated English:

"... Pope Sylvester first among the Romans ordered that the names of the days [of the week], which they previously called after the name of their gods, that is, [the day] of the Sun, [the day] of the Moon, [the day] of Mars, [the day] of Mercury, [the day] of Jupiter, [the day] of Venus, [the day] of Saturn, they should call feriae thereafter, that is the first feria, the second feria, the third feria, the fourth feria, the fifth feria, the sixth feria, because that in the beginning of Genesis it is written that God said concerning each day: on the first, "Let there be light:; on the second, "Let there be a firmament"; on the third, "Let the earth bring forth verdure"; etc. But he [Sylvester] ordered [them] to call the Sabbath by the ancient term of the law, [to call] the first feria the "Lord's day," because on it the Lord rose [from the dead], Moreover, the same pope decreed that the rest of the Sabbath should be transferred rather to the [counterfeit] Lord's day [Sunday], in order that on that day we should rest from worldly works for the praise of God.7 ..." - Exactly Which Pope Changed The Sabbath To Sunday?

Further:

“...yet we find St. Cæsarius of Arles in the sixth century teaching that the holy Doctors of the Church had decreed that the whole glory of the Jewish Sabbath had been transferred to the Sunday, and that Christians must keep the Sunday holy in the same way as the Jews had been commanded to keep holy the Sabbath Day. … From the eight century the law began to be formulated as it exists at the present day, and the local councils forbade servile work, public buying and selling, pleading in the law courts, and the public and solemn taking of oaths. There is a large body of civil legislation on the Sunday rest side by side with the ecclesiastical. ...” [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; Sunday] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sunday

Council of Trent:

“...But the [Roman Catholic] Church of God has in her wisdom ordained that the celebration of the Sabbath should be transferred to [counterfeit] “the Lord's day:” …” [The Catechism of the Council of Trent; On The Third Commandment; pg 267] - The catechism of the Council of Trent

... and many more such citations.

Isn't it of interest that the Beast in Daniel 7, with Ten Horns, has another "little horn" that uproots three of the Ten? Horns in scripture, are associated with Kings, this is true, but looking a bit deeper, it is also associated with authority, power, rulership, commandments, law.

There are Ten Commandments.

Isn't it interesting that the very same persons which claim to have changed God's law, did so to three of the Ten Commandments, as seen here (Commandments 2 (Exodus 20:4-6), 4 (Exodus 20:8-11) and 10 (Exodus 20:17), as given in scripture):

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Ten Commandments

Just look at the clear difference between the Left Side (Scripture) and the Far Right (traditional).
 
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KJVO Baptist, BroParrish cannot address King James Texts on the subject of the Lord's day, and bans user after altering post and deleting the content and leaving no trace that it was done:

King James Bible Forums | KJV Only Forums | KJV Baptist Forum | Independent Fundamental Baptist Forum | 1611 KJV Forum • View topic - Kanye West's "Sunday Service" - & the real Lord's day

KJVO Baptist, ProParrish cannot address King James Texts on the subject of diet, and erases the whole post:

King James Bible Forums | KJV Only Forums | KJV Baptist Forum | Independent Fundamental Baptist Forum | 1611 KJV Forum • View topic - Acts 11 did Peter still think certain foods were unclean?

That is exactly what sister White said would happen:

"... As the controversy extends into new fields and the minds of the people are called to God's downtrodden law, Satan is astir. The power attending the message will only madden those who oppose it. The clergy will put forth almost superhuman efforts to shut away the light lest it should shine upon their flocks. By every means at their command they will endeavor to suppress the discussion of these vital questions. The church appeals to the strong arm of civil power, and, in this work, papists and Protestants unite. As the movement for Sunday enforcement becomes more bold and decided, the law will be invoked against commandment keepers. They will be threatened with fines and imprisonment, and some will be offered positions of influence, and other rewards and advantages, as inducements to renounce their faith. But their steadfast answer is: "Show us from the word of God our error"--the same plea that was made by Luther under similar circumstances. Those who are arraigned before the courts make a strong vindication of the truth, and some who hear them are led to take their stand to keep all the commandments of God. Thus light will be brought before thousands who otherwise would know nothing of these truths. {GC 607.1} ..." - The Great Controversy (1911), page 607.1

It is truly sad to see that those who claim to follow the Bible, and the Bible only, cannot from that same Bible they hold, defend their position, without using threats of violence, without using force, without abusing their authority, and erasing and burying the argument of another. What a sad circumstance that is, for it is the same spirit that burned John Huss' materials and then him, and is the same spirit that tried to bury Jesus' words and then kill him. Therefore, I invite that same individual, BroParrish, to come here, and defend their argument on even playing field, where they cannot erase the argument they cannot defend against. If they do not - it really shows what spirit they are of, and what their real position is, not Bible, but "tradition", and are as verily Papist as the Romanist, but are closet baptist Papists.
 
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Another Baptist Board (closet Papists), just completely erases the Lord's day challenge that was also posted on their forum and had been there for several days:

Other Christian Denominations

Here is there final word to the author of that thread that is now burned to ashes (as John Huss and his work was):

"This post approaches the error of declaring anyone who worships on Sunday is guilty of "the mark of the beast". As such it has been deleted. This is a Christian forum, not a Seventh Day Adventist Forum. Please keep this in mind." - JonC

Of course, none of what they stated is true (except that it was not a Seventh-day Adventist forum; and their subsequent deletion), but now you cannot know that, unless you had witnessed the OP and exchanges from the beginning, which had over three hundred views and was just "Featured". It began just like this thread, with similar responses, and there was no logical argumentation, or scripture for that matter, that was given to oppose the OP and presented material. Read what sister White said again. She is spot on, and it will only get worse.

The same challenge is now extended to all those Moderators at BaptistBoard to come here, and to defend their non-scriptural and traditional papist position.

When cowardice (fear) reigns, there can only be terrorism as its policy.
 
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What is the Lord's day? Let the Bible speak:

The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord.

Genesis 2:1-3,4 - 'the seventh day', 'God', 'day', 'the LORD God' [… God [the LORD] … day …]

Exodus 16:23 - "the LORD", "to morrow [the seventh day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD' [... the LORD ... [day] ...]

Exodus 16:25 - 'to day [the seventh day]; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 20:8-11 - 'the sabbath day', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God', 'sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day ...]

Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD ... the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 35:2,3 - 'the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD', 'the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

Leviticus 23:3 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD'

Deuteronomy 5:12,14 – 'the LORD', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God' [… the LORD … day …]

Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD'

Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath [day] from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant) [... the LORD ... sabbath [day] ...]

Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sabbath ... my [the LORD's] holy day ... the holy [day] of the Lord' [... [the LORD's] ... day]

Isaiah 66:22,23 – 'the LORD', 'one sabbath [day] to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD' [… the LORD … [day] …]

Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith the LORD... on the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]' [... the ... Lord ... [day]]

Revelation 1:10 - 'the Lord's day'

There is no such thing as 'Sunday sacredness' in all of Scripture, except as a Mark of the Beast (Daniel 7:25).
Hmm, the silence, is speaking volumes.
 
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WOW! WR, Ellen's writings have you right under her thumb. I admire your enthusiasm even though you are completely going down the wrong road. I believe the Holy Writ and the history it covers. From the words of the Holy Writ we find one nation out of all nations on Earth that the Sabbath was ever given. If it is/was so very important as your prophet wrote then why would God keep it from all the other nations? Why Did He only give it to Israel? He knew that they would not spread their beliefs to nations beyond their borders. He knew they would fail to keep the Sabbath and the Word would become flesh in order to save mankind. Jesus coming and dying for Judah and Israel's sins also ended the covenant God gave them at Sinai. That defunct covenant contained the Sabbath requirement. Gentile nations were never under the requirement. No no one is under it. Our rest is in Jesus and that rest is today.

Sunday rest was never in God's plan. There is no such requirement from God. We are not to forsake assembling ourselves together in corporate worship. For Ellen White to write that we will go to Hell if we don't keep the defunct Sabbath Is a blatant lie. In fact, no one accept Jesus has ever really kept the requirements associated with the keeping of the Sabbath. No matter how hard you try, in reality you fail. I know because I really tried for many years and failed every week. If you are really honest you will have to agree with me.
 
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WOW! WR, Ellen's writings have you right under her thumb.
Ad hominem.

This reply is without evidence contrary to the position of the OP. The OP evidence stands un-refuted by scripture at present.

I admire your enthusiasm even though you are completely going down the wrong road.
Personal belief.

This reply is without evidence contrary to the position of the OP. The OP evidence stands un-refuted by scripture at present.

I believe the Holy Writ and the history it covers.
Then you ought take the position of the OP, as at present, it is un-refuted in evidence.

From the words of the Holy Writ we find one nation out of all nations on Earth that the Sabbath was ever given.
Mark 2:27, the sabbath was given to 'the man', when it was 'made' (Genesis 1-2). The only 'man' around was Adam the first, and thus all mankind in him, thus all nations were blessed. Secondly, Jesus, is Adam the last, for whom the Sabbath was "made" "for" (Colossians 1:16), and thus all nations in Him would be blessed.

Thirdly, Israel after the flesh of old, was to be a 'light' to the Gentiles, and take God's Law to all nations, as written in Deuteronomy 4. We see this in the day of Solomon, even with the Queen of 7 coming to him, and taking it back with her. Jesus continually stated this position in the NT texts (Matthew 5:14).

Therefore, the position you take, is incorrect, based upon the evidence provided. Moreover, the OP is focused primarily upon the scriptural identification of the Lord's day, irrespective of who it was given to. This is your final error in this point. You have yet provided no contrary evidence to the OP's position. It stands unrefuted to present.

If it is/was so very important as your prophet wrote then why would God keep it from all the other nations?
The question has a built in logic fail. It incorrectly assumes God did as you simply assert therein. God did no such thing.

Why Did He only give it to Israel?
Again, the question has a built in logic fail. Moses', wife, Zipporah, was neither Jew, nor Israelite and she was to keep God's commandments, as like the many others not of the seed of Jacob. The mixed multitude were also present. Again, Mark 2:27, Colossians 1:16, and Deuteronomy 4, among other texts show that Israel after the flesh was not the only ones who knew about God's law. Your question incorrectly assumes that the sabbath of God was only first known at, or around, Mt. Sinai.

Consider 1 Corinthians 10:

1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.​

God tested Israel after the flesh by His Law, now moreso, we too, for they were but the type, and we the anti-type:

Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?​

Same God, yesterday, today and forever.

The OP, in regards the identification of the Lord's day stands unrefuted. What we have here is a non-sequitur question built upon an incorrect apriori.

He knew that they would not spread their beliefs to nations beyond their borders.
Not true. See Solomon as just one example. Then see:

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.​

The OP stands unrefuted.

He knew they would fail to keep the Sabbath
All mankind (except Jesus) failed, in all of God's law - see Romans, James. For failing in one point, all was transgressed. It is a fallacy in logic to think that because all failed, except one, that the standard was not for all.

A test in a classroom, where all fail but one (who happens to ace the thing), does not mean that the test is not for all.

The OP stands unrefuted.

and the Word would become flesh in order to save mankind.
Promised since Genesis 3:15. The Sabbath itself was made before this promise, and for the Saviour specifically, Colossians 1:16; Mark 2:27.

The OP stands unrefuted.

Jesus coming and dying for Judah and Israel's sins
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, not just for Judah and Israel after the flesh (1 John 2:2). Part of those sins, is transgression of the 4th commandment, as per 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, 7:7; James 2:9.

The OP stands unrefuted.
 
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also ended the covenant God gave them at Sinai.
Not in question. Your error is that you think that the Ten Commandments are the 'old covenant', when the context of Exodus 19, states otherwise, especially when compared to Hebrews 8:6-13, and Romans 3:31.

It is a logical error to attempt to argue covenants, when the topic of the OP in the identification of the Lord's day is independent of such.

The OP stands unrefuted.

That defunct covenant contained the Sabbath requirement.
This is your error. The 'old covenant' was in their faulty promises (Hebrews 8:6-8), which set their children's teeth on edge (Jeremiah 31).

Even if granted your position (it is not so granted), that does not refute the position of the OP in the identification of the Lord's day according to scripture.

The OP stands unrefuted.

Gentile nations were never under the requirement.
Already shown otherwise above.

The OP stands unrefuted.

No no one is under it.
You would have to define "it" here, as I do not desire to assume your argument for you.

Our rest is in Jesus and that rest is today.
Scripture states that Jesus would "give" rest, and this is found in Matthew 11:28, which cites, Exodus 33:14, in its proper context, being the Ten Commandments (Exodus 34) with the presence of God.

Jesus keeps the sabbath in the power of the Holy Ghost, Luke 4, being part of the gospel itself, Isaiah 56:1-8; John 10:16; Isaiah 61 & 66.

Hebrews 4, is the entire argument by Paul, for the sabbath keeping, the 7th day, through faith, unlike those of old, who didn't enter into it, because of the lack in faith.

The OP stands unrefuted.

Sunday rest was never in God's plan.
Non-sequitur. The OP stands unrefuted.

There is no such requirement from God.
Take that as admission to the facts of the OP, which substantiates the OP, and thus the OP remains unrefuted, and now bolstered by your admission to its veracity.

We are not to forsake assembling ourselves together in corporate worship.
The context of that paraphrase, is the 7th day, and its greater counterpart.

For Ellen White to write that we will go to Hell if we don't keep the defunct Sabbath Is a blatant lie.
She never said that, as any may easily search all her materials. Provide the citation as you have given it please. If not, retract. What has been stated, is that when Sunday enforcement comes about by civil law, backed by police force, imprisonment and even death, then all must make their choice.

Even is sister White was a raving loon (she is not), that has nothing to do with the OP's position on the scriptural identification of the Lord's day in Revelation 1:10. It is again, non-sequitur, and even red-herring, and a bit of poisoning the well.

In fact, no one accept
'except'.

Jesus has ever really kept the requirements associated with the keeping of the Sabbath.
Yes and no. There are those individuals who in Christ Jesus, have, and even moreso, there is identified in scripture, an entire group of persons that are prophesied in Revelation 12:17, 14:6-12. I believe the following:

Php_4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Jud_1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.​

What do you believe about those texts?

Even if none but Jesus ever kept the Sabbath, that still does not negate the evidence put forward in the OP, in regards the identification of the Lord's day as the 7th day the sabbath of the Lord.

The OP stands unrefuted.

No matter how hard you try, in reality you fail.
Please do not state my position for me, for I do not hold to your strawman position. You may freely state your own failure as much as you like.

Even if I were to agree to your strawman position (I do not so agree), that would not refute the position of the OP in regards the identification of the Lord's day as the seventh day the sabbath.

The OP stands unrefuted.

I know because I really tried for many years and failed every week.
Your failure, is your failure, and not mine. Your failure to enter in, is not proof for mine. My successful experience is not your failed experience. Apples to oranges.

Your failure, is not evidence against the OP's position in the identification of the Lord's day as the seventh day the sabbath.

The OP stands unrefuted.

If you are really honest you will have to agree with me.
Do not so question my honesty or integrity, or assume my position for me through your incorrect apriori or failure in experience.

I am most earnest that my experience is not your failed experience. If you attempt to assume my position for me, and state something in its place, which is not my actual place, it is merely another strawman, disregarding my actual position, and simply attacking that position you made up in its rightful place.

Even if I were to grant you such an agreement (I do not so grant such), that does not change the unrefuted evidence of the OP in the identification of the Lord's day as the seventh day the sabbath.

The OP stands unrefuted.

The only way to refute it, is to provide evidence refuting the evidence in the OP. Your feelings, experience, strawman, non-sequiturs', covenants, are all irrelevant to that subject.
 
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Not in question. Your error is that you think that the Ten Commandments are the 'old covenant', when the context of Exodus 19, states otherwise, especially when compared to Hebrews 8:6-13, and Romans 3:31.
Please do not tell me what you think I think and maybe we can have a civil debate. The ten commandments and the part written by Moses are the words of the covenant. I like to refer to that covenant as the Sinai covenant. Hebrews refers to it as the old covenant. That covenant had, according to the Jewish scholars, 613 rules for one nation, Israel. Rom 3:31 is not telling us we are under the 613 rules. In fact Paul earlier tells us point blank that we are not under the law Rom 6:14. That fact proves we are not under the ritual law of Sabbath observance. Which makes your OP a non-sequitur.

2Cor 3:6-11 makes it very clear that we are not under the ten commandments.

6 He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.
7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. 11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!

Those verses add to the conclusion that your OP is useless. It has no value, so I need not go further in refuting your post to me. I would like to make clear that I didn't pull out of a hat that Ellen White wrote that we who do not "keep" the Sabbath of the Sinai covenant will not inherit eternal life. According to Ellen, the revered prophet of the SDA church, if I die tomorrow I will not inherit the Kingdom of God. She and her church has judged me to Hell. Her church means you too if you are a believer.

I wrote:
For Ellen White to write that we will go to Hell if we don't keep the defunct Sabbath Is a blatant lie.
You wrote:

She never said that, as any may easily search all her materials. Provide the citation as you have given it please. If not, retract. What has been stated, is that when Sunday enforcement comes about by civil law, backed by police force, imprisonment and even death, then all must make their choice.
Ellen wrote:
"God has set His seventh day Sabbath at the end of every six working days, that men may stop and reflect what they have gained during the week of preparation for the pure kingdom which admits no sin, no transgression. Those who know the truth should each week reckon with their souls to see whether the week that has ended has brought spiritual gain or loss. The mind as much as the body is to be withdrawn from worldly business. It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. To him who keeps the Sabbath aright, God says, I put my sign upon you as one who is obedient. Them that honor me I will honor." {Lt109-1899.35}

Satan is the sharpest critic that the world has ever known, and he works to hinder and pervert truth. He has induced men to strive to change the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Under his dictation the first day of the week has been adopted by the Christian world as the Sabbath. He has used his masterly mind to influence other men to adopt the same views that he himself entertains. But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH July 6, 1897, par. 4}

Bone up brother. You are not dealing with a novice.
 
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Yeah I once saw that too. It's quite difficult though to surrender your life fully to God, when your celebrity status, always has its big ugly head raised in your face.

It's easy to surrender when the world doesn't see your screw ups or hear your dirty little secrets. There's a lot of upstanding Christians who'd be denounced if the world knew them. They have the liberty of hiding.

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It's easy to surrender when the world doesn't see your screw ups or hear your dirty little secrets. There's a lot of upstanding Christians who'd be denounced if the world knew them. They have the liberty of hiding.

~bella

So true Bro. Only one wonders, who hasn't screwed up really? What haven't they done that others have done :scratch:?

Indeed, we also have the liberty of hiding, under the shadow of the Almighty. This is exactly where God wants us..
 
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Found this interesting position online (posting in full)

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"Kanye West's "Christian" - "Sunday Service" - Jesus is King Album, Chick Fil-A & the Real Lord's Day


Kanye West, known for being one who said that he was "God", and even having a label of Yeezus, which was supposedly in relation to Jay-Z's name of Jay-HOV (all of which are completely blasphemous, as the real names in the scripture are Jesus and JEHOVAH), has reportedly become "christian" and even has a new album, Jesus is King, in which the 4th song, speaks about Chick Fil-A and "Sunday" as the Lord's day.

"... Kanye West has a new song called "Closed on Sunday" that references Chick-fil-A.

"Closed on Sunday, you my Chick-fil-A," the song begins.

Chick-fil-A closes all of its locations on Sunday because of founder Truett Cathy's Christian faith. ...

... "Closed on Sunday" is the fourth track on "Jesus Is King," West's new album that was released on Friday. Prior to Friday, the song was in rotation during West's listening parties for his new songs. ...”

“… The song goes on to preach against Instagram ("Hold the selfies, put the 'Gram away") and the importance of faith ("Follow Jesus, listen and obey"). West ends the song with a cry of "Chick-fil-A!"

Chick-fil-A declined to comment on the song. But, the fast-food shout-out seems fitting for the gospel-influenced album. Every location of the fast-food chain is closed on Sunday. ...

... West has also made financial investments into the fast-food industry. ..." - Kanye West has a new song called 'Closed on Sunday' that heavily references Chick-fil-A - Kanye West has a new song called 'Closed on Sunday' that heavily references Chick-fil-A

One, it is just silliness (and terrible bad as a piece of music), and has nothing to do with holiness, nor the sacredness of God or JEHOVAH Elohiym's, and thus Jesus' doctrine or Gospel.

What is interesting, is that Kanye West, in April 25, 2018, tweeted about Donald J Trump:

"... You don’t have to agree with trump but the mob can’t make me not love him. We are both dragon energy. He is my brother. ..." - Metro CO UK - What is the Kanye West Donald Trump connection? | Metro News

Seriously speaking, and with all humility, Kanye West is (speaking from outside perspective) without knowledge about which day is the Lord's day.

It is not the first day of the week ('Sunday'), but the 7th day (the Sabbath of the LORD thy God; Genesis 2 vs 1-3; Exodus 20 vs 8-11, etc).

Kanye West is being used by the entertainment ('enter' to come into, 'tain' - to be held captive, 'ment' - continuous, or the act of ongoing or being) industry to promote Sunday sacredness, which is not found once in all of Holy scripture (KJB).

If you would like to see why this is, turn to Daniel 3, "all kinds of musick", in association with Babylonian, false worship, and likewise turn to Ezekiel 8 vs 16, in that those who professed to worship God, were really turning their back to God's Law of Ten Commandments and worshipping the Sun (and today it is Sunday), so that people might bow down to an idol (and child) of the Papacy, Sunday.

A national Sunday law is coming soon from America to the globe, see Revelation 14 vs 6-12.


This is no joke, or one can simply watch the following:


What is the Lord's day? Let the Bible speak:

The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord.

Genesis 2:1-3,4 - 'the seventh day', 'God', 'day', 'the LORD God' [… God [the LORD] … day …]

Exodus 16:23 - "the LORD", "to morrow [the seventh day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD' [... the LORD ... [day] ...]

Exodus 16:25 - 'to day [the seventh day]; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 20:8-11 - 'the sabbath day', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God', 'sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day ...]

Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD ... the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 35:2,3 - 'the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD', 'the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

Leviticus 23:3 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD'

Deuteronomy 5:12,14 – 'the LORD', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God' [… the LORD … day …]

Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD'

Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath [day] from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant) [... the LORD ... sabbath [day] ...]

Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sabbath ... my [the LORD's] holy day ... the holy [day] of the Lord' [... [the LORD's] ... day]

Isaiah 66:22,23 – 'the LORD', 'one sabbath [day] to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD' [… the LORD … [day] …]

Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith the LORD... on the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]' [... the ... Lord ... [day]]

Revelation 1:10 - 'the Lord's day'

There is no such thing as 'Sunday sacredness' in all of Scripture, except as a Mark of the Beast (Daniel 7:25).

iu


Anyone may see the original hand typed here - Link

Large photocopy Link here

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Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity (Lord’s Day Alliance of the U.S., April, 2015). - Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity

Have questions? Be sincere. Be honest. Be truthful. What is repentance? Want a real blessing, then read Acts 3 vs 26, for sin is the transgression of God's sacred Law, 1 John 3 vs 4.

iu


We would even love to hear from Kanye West and family, personally, that he too might not be deceived, or deceiving."

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That is the whole of it. Comments welcome.

Thank you. Good timing! Our topic on "the Lords day" just got closed yesterday THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY! It was asking the question, to prove from scripture alone that the man-made teaching and tradition that Sunday is "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is supported by the scriptures. Sadly people wanted to talk about anything else than scripture. I guess because there is no scripture that proves that "Sunday" or the first day of the week is the Lords day of Revelation 1:10. It is a reference to God's Sabbath day of God's 4th commandment and a reference to Jesus as the creator of Heaven and earth. Good to see you brother and welcome!

God bless :wave:
 
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Any time a public figure becomes a Christian from a worldly background, many fake Christians line up in judgement and condemnation to express their doubt in the authenticity of the conversion.

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Sorry this sounds like an oxymoron.

Calling someone a fake Christian that you do not know sounds like judgement and condemnation.

No one knows our hearts but Jesus, but we are told this:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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