gentiles to keep from profaning the Sabbath -- even in the OT Sabbath made for mankind

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"He is not a Jew who is one outwardly" -- in Romans 2.

"27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

True statement, similar to saying; Going to church regularly does not make you a Christian.

Agreed. No wonder then that we have this New Covenant statement

Jer 31:31-33
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

"what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Paul says it is only the wicked that "do not submit to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:4-11

And asks the question "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW" Rom 3:31



BTW - Paul requires that Timothy be circumcised.


Circumcision is a sign that says "I will keep the law". Gal 5:1-6 confirms that righteousness by faith trumps righteousness by the law (circumcision).

1. Gal 1 says there are not two gospels
2. Gal 3:8 says that ONE Gospel was preached to Abraham
3. Heb 4:1 says that one Gospel was preached to OT Jews.
4. Matt 17 - Moses and Elijah stand in glory with Christ before the cross.
5. That ONE Gospel is "saved by grace through faith" - Eph 2:7-10
6. ALL the giants of faith in Heb 11 are from the OT

The problem in Gal 5 is not "having Jews circumcised" it is -- having gentiles circumcised because no OT or NT text required it. It was a "made up man made tradition" seen in Acts 15:1-2.

Making stuff up... going against scripture - inventing things like a spiritual requirement for gentiles to be circumcised when neither OT nor NT required it... is condemned in Gal 5 as a man-made-works religion because it is not based on the Word of God. Some folks today would argue that failure to oppose the Word of God -- is to reject the Gospel. Matthew 5 Christ said - that is fiction.
 
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Mark 2:27 says Sabbath is specifically made "for mankind"
Ex 20:11 says it began in Genesis 2 when it was sanctified for holy use.
Genesis 2:1-3 says the same.

Ex 20:8-11
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


Gen 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.



Keep reading... it is not rocks that Keep the Sabbath holy - it is mankind

Mark 2:27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man (mankind), and not man (mankind) made for the Sabbath.

Both the Sabbath and mankind "made" in that 7 day week of Genesis 1-2:3


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"man does not live by bread alone" -- Matthew 4... another reference to "mankind"

444 ánthrōposman, also the generic term for "mankind"; the human race; people, including women and men (Mt 4:19, 12:12, etc.).

(That was easy)
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Isaiah 56;6-8 exists at the same time that the book of Exodus exists and all of it is the Word of God. including where God specifically singles out gentiles for Sabbath keeping blessings and in Isaiah 66:23 reminds us that the Sabbath is for "all mankind" just as in Mark 2:7.

"Mankind does not live by bread alone but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God" is not a statement about "just Jews" or "just men and not women" as we all know.

Obviously



On the contrary - I quote that part of the Bible you don't quote - as you just demonstrated again for us in your response to that post of mine filled with Bible texts you don't quote at all - even as I quote the full 4th commandment and the full 7th day of creation week.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective readers.

And that means "the New Covenant" is quoted by me as well.

Jer 31:31-33
31"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33"This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

No wonder the Sabbath is a sign -- given to all mankind in Eden "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 where for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship" Isaiah 66:23

Well as you read more of it - you will probably get used to seeing scripture posted.




Yes it is, so it is no wonder that scripture says - that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23



Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 already says that.

Mark 2:27 confirms - with the making of both the Sabbath and mankind seen in Genesis 1-2 and Mark 2:27 addressing both as well.

So by "noticing" that God linked the Sabbath commandment in Ex 20:8-11 and God's 7 days of creation, we simply demonstrate good attention to detail so unwelcome to some - they won't even quote it.

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Gen 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

By not actually quoting those texts we can get to "you blur the line between God resting at creation and man .."

so then -- dismissing all the "inconvenient scripture" above - we get...

Israelites have never entered into God's rest.

Do you include Moses and Elijah in Matthew 17 - standing in glory with Christ -- in that sweeping assumption above?

Gal 3:8 "the gospel was preached to Abraham"

Heb 11
Moses "25 choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward."

Heb 11
7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

Talking about dismissing scriptures. You're linking a false teaching by your partial quotes.

wishful thinking?

By partially quoting Gal 3:8, you intentionally omit that the gospel preached to Abraham was the saying " In thee shall all nations shall be blessed".

By ignoring the context of Gal 3:8 you are attempting a "two gospel" solution when clearly Gal 1:6-9 says there is only ONE Gospel - and that that one Gospel was "preached to Abraham" in Gal 3:8.

Christ Himself said "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"

Peter said that the OT saints were shown "the sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow". 1 Peter 1:11

Bible details matter.

Ha, your so-called inconvenient scriptures are a debunked theory.

Nope. they are scriptures.... never debunked because there is no "bunk" in them. As we all know.

The point remains.
 
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Paul was not a gentile Hark. My question was: "Show me in the new covenant where gentiles are to keep the feasts"

(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.
 
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Everyone think they can show their love for God by keeping the law (ten commandments )...no one have ever been able to keep this law Except Jesus Christ the Messiah...All those who think they can keep the law is to break it and make a mockery of the Law...because their actions are far from what the law is required...

As John said..anyone who hate his brother committed murder...so some people act outwardly in good manner but their hearts are full of hatred to others, and that is what the Law cannot do to us, it cannot change or cleansed us from our sins which making us do all those nasty things to others...
But Only by Faith which is by believing in Jesus Christ then we can show or do good works to others...
And that is where true love comes from...comes from your faith or believing in our Lord and Messiah...

To Love God is to Believe in His Son....
To love God is to obey his commandments:

Exodus 20:5-6 NIV
I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

1 John 5:3 NIV
In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome

obeying his commandments = loving God

disobeying his commandments = hating God
 
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Paul was not a gentile Hark. My question was: "Show me in the new covenant where gentiles are to keep the feasts". Surely you knew your answer is false. Some versions say he was going to the feast. None that I referenced described what feast and some versions don't even mention he was going to a feast. You referenced the CLV, does it mention feast?
Show a new covenant made with Gentiles first.

No new covenant made with Gentiles was prophesied, foretold or taught.
 
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(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.

Priests had a certain privilege - and could enter the sanctuary.
They were required to perform duties officiating in the sanctuary on a rotation basis.

Not at all true of gentiles.

But the "one law" regarding the moral law of God - was the same for both.
 
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Priests had a certain privilege - and could enter the sanctuary.
They were required to perform duties officiating in the sanctuary on a rotation basis.

Not at all true of gentiles.

But the "one law" regarding the moral law of God - was the same for both.

There are exclusive laws for both men and women too; but they apply to both native, and those grafted in, accordingly.

It's one Torah for all of Israel.
 
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To love God is to obey his commandments:

Exodus 20:5-6 NIV


1 John 5:3 NIV


obeying his commandments = loving God

disobeying his commandments = hating God
Obedience comes from Faith Only..

Romans 16:26.."but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all Gentiles might come to obedience that comes from Faith..."...

Our Faith comes from Jesus Christ Not ourselves, Hebrews 12:2 whereas

the Law is based not on Faith but whoever is trying to live according to it...
 
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Agreed. No wonder then that we have this New Covenant statement

Jer 31:31-33
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

"what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Paul says it is only the wicked that "do not submit to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:4-11

And asks the question "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW" Rom 3:31



BTW - Paul requires that Timothy be circumcised.




1. Gal 1 says there are not two gospels
2. Gal 3:8 says that ONE Gospel was preached to Abraham
3. Heb 4:1 says that one Gospel was preached to OT Jews.
4. Matt 17 - Moses and Elijah stand in glory with Christ before the cross.
5. That ONE Gospel is "saved by grace through faith" - Eph 2:7-10
6. ALL the giants of faith in Heb 11 are from the OT

The problem in Gal 5 is not "having Jews circumcised" it is -- having gentiles circumcised because no OT or NT text required it. It was a "made up man made tradition" seen in Acts 15:1-2.

Making stuff up... going against scripture - inventing things like a spiritual requirement for gentiles to be circumcised when neither OT nor NT required it... is condemned in Gal 5 as a man-made-works religion because it is not based on the Word of God. Some folks today would argue that failure to oppose the Word of God -- is to reject the Gospel. Matthew 5 Christ said - that is fiction.
You are looking and follow the letter written on stones (10 commandments ), the same letter which those whom God given to was not able to follow it way back in Sinai...That why God made a new covenant because "they " (those in Sinai failed to follow )...and now you trying to follow their ways and not following the new way of getting righteous...which is by believing in the One who fulfilled the law and prophets so we can be right with God...

The letter kills..written law (10 commandments )...why? Because it doesn't change or take that sin out of us...this is very important, because sin makes us transgress the law...and can only done by Christ...the main reason why He came down from heaven....

But, the Spirit (Spirit of Christ ) gives life..why? Because God and Christ live within and eternal life flows from them...

All those who follow the letter are like Pharisees they like people to see them on the outside...ie go to Sabbath on 7th day, eating certain foods which only nourishes the physical body not the most important spiritual body or soul etc, and they claim because they do those things they are following God..but the reality is their hearts are far from following God...if our hearts is full of hatred, envy, jealousy, slanderous, gossip, lying or any other unloving attitudes towards others, then your acted like a law breaker who claim to follow the law...
 
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Obedience comes from Faith Only..

Romans 16:26.."but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all Gentiles might come to obedience that comes from Faith..."...

Our Faith comes from Jesus Christ Not ourselves, Hebrews 12:2 whereas

the Law is based not on Faith but whoever is trying to live according to it...
I agree that obedience comes from faith - if we believe God, we will obey his commandments. Hebrews 11 describes how the champions of faith showed their faith via works.

the Israelites did not believe in God, thus they disobeyed his commandments, and were scattered around the world.
 
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"He is not a Jew who is one outwardly" -- in Romans 2.

"27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

True statement, similar to saying; Going to church regularly does not make you a Christian.

Agreed. No wonder then that we have this New Covenant statement

Jer 31:31-33
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

"what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Paul says it is only the wicked that "do not submit to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:4-11

And asks the question "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW" Rom 3:31



BTW - Paul requires that Timothy be circumcised.


Circumcision is a sign that says "I will keep the law". Gal 5:1-6 confirms that righteousness by faith trumps righteousness by the law (circumcision).

1. Gal 1 says there are not two gospels
2. Gal 3:8 says that ONE Gospel was preached to Abraham
3. Heb 4:1 says that one Gospel was preached to OT Jews.
4. Matt 17 - Moses and Elijah stand in glory with Christ before the cross.
5. That ONE Gospel is "saved by grace through faith" - Eph 2:7-10
6. ALL the giants of faith in Heb 11 are from the OT

The problem in Gal 5 is not "having Jews circumcised" it is -- having gentiles circumcised because no OT or NT text required it. It was a "made up man made tradition" seen in Acts 15:1-2.

Making stuff up... going against scripture - inventing things like a spiritual requirement for gentiles to be circumcised when neither OT nor NT required it... is condemned in Gal 5 as a man-made-works religion because it is not based on the Word of God. Some folks today would argue that failure to oppose the Word of God -- is to reject the Gospel. Matthew 5 Christ said - that is fiction.

You are looking and follow the letter written on stones (10 commandments ),

1. Shall we be condemned because we choose to not take God's name in vain in obedience to God's Commandments?

2. Is Christ to be condemned in Matthew 19 for daring to quote God's Commandments written on stone?

3. Is the Baptist Confession of Faith to be condemned for freely admitting that the Ten Commandments that are written on stone by God Himself - are included in the moral law of God under the New Covenant.

4. Did Jeremiah know that the LAW of God included the Commands God Himself wrote on stone when Jeremiah wrote Jer 31:31-33?

5. Should the Westminster Confession of Faith be condemned for daring to admit that the Ten Commandments that are written on stone by God Himself - are included in the moral law of God under the New Covenant.?


We know that the Spirit of God authored all of it and that the Holy Spirit gives life.So then shall we falsely accuse others of not having the work of the Holy Spirit in their life -- simply because they choose to not take God's name in vain in obedience to the commands that God himself wrote on stone?

I think we all know the answers to this.
 
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Show a new covenant made with Gentiles first.

No new covenant made with Gentiles was prophesied, foretold or taught.
I guess you then believe Gentiles are without a covenant with God, is that correct? The covenant made with Noah is open ended as is the Abrahamic covenant. Both those covenants give Gentiles a code to live by if it is true that Gentiles are not included in the new covenant. So, I submit to you that we are not lawless because we are not under the now defunct Sinai covenant. We Gentiles have the blessed hope that was promised to Israel and Judah. Your smug post is well noted.


Luke 16:16“The Law and the Prophets were fulfilled with John. Since then, the good news about the kingdom of God is being proclaimed, and EVERYBODY enters it enthusiastically."
The fact is that it is Jesus who gave us, mankind the new covenant. He is the one that told the disciples to "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to EVERY creature." 28 ‘Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.’ Matt 11 I take those words from Jesus to mean that I, too, share in the covenant promises. I, too, have the privilege to abide in Him who God sent to save ALL MANKIND. I, too, have the same promises made to me as are made to Judah and Israel. Even though Jeremiah didn't include Gentiles in the prophecy Jesus made it very clear that He came to save ALL MANKIND. I don't have to become a Jew to inherit the Kingdom like you try to force down our throats. Your narrow minded views are an abhorrence to the One who gave His life that ALL might live.
 
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I agree that obedience comes from faith - if we believe God, we will obey his commandments. Hebrews 11 describes how the champions of faith showed their faith via works.

the Israelites did not believe in God, thus they disobeyed his commandments, and were scattered around the world.

Thanks for posting that -- :)
 
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I agree that obedience comes from faith - if we believe God, we will obey his commandments. Hebrews 11 describes how the champions of faith showed their faith via works.

the Israelites did not believe in God, thus they disobeyed his commandments, and were scattered around the world.
Really??? According to Heb11, what "works", law or commandments did Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Sarah keep before the law was given? You cant just make stuff up sir.
 
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Isaiah 56 - blessing on those who choose not to profane the things of God - specifically God's Sabbath.

Isaiah 56:6
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

NASB: “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

NKJV: “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

Why does God want gentiles to keep from profaning the Sabbath?

"the Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27
"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Ex 20:11 the Sabbath was made holy in Genesis 2:1-2 - for mankind

Acts 13 gentiles that hear the gospel insist that it be preached to them "the NEXT Sabbath"

Acts 18:4 "Every Sabbath" both Jews and gentiles - hear the gospel preached.

Do you keep these commandments as well?

Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:27 “Men and women among you who act as mediums or who consult the spirits of the dead must be put to death by stoning. They are guilty of a capital offense.”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

Leviticus 24:16 Anyone who blasphemes the Name of the LORD must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any native-born Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the Name of the LORD must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
 
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I guess you then believe Gentiles are without a covenant with God, is that correct? The covenant made with Noah is open ended as is the Abrahamic covenant. Both those covenants give Gentiles a code to live by if it is true that Gentiles are not included in the new covenant. So, I submit to you that we are not lawless because we are not under the now defunct Sinai covenant. We Gentiles have the blessed hope that was promised to Israel and Judah. Your smug post is well noted.


Luke 16:16“The Law and the Prophets were fulfilled with John. Since then, the good news about the kingdom of God is being proclaimed, and EVERYBODY enters it enthusiastically."
The fact is that it is Jesus who gave us, mankind the new covenant. He is the one that told the disciples to "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to EVERY creature." 28 ‘Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.’ Matt 11 I take those words from Jesus to mean that I, too, share in the covenant promises. I, too, have the privilege to abide in Him who God sent to save ALL MANKIND. I, too, have the same promises made to me as are made to Judah and Israel. Even though Jeremiah didn't include Gentiles in the prophecy Jesus made it very clear that He came to save ALL MANKIND. I don't have to become a Jew to inherit the Kingdom like you try to force down our throats. Your narrow minded views are an abhorrence to the One who gave His life that ALL might live.
You asked to show a “new covenant” with Gentiles needing to obey God’s laws, yet you acknowledge that the new covenant is not made with the Gentiles, thus you automatically disqualify your request, because there is no new covenant made with Gentiles - there is just the new covenant made with Israel only, with God writing his laws on their hearts instead of stone like the original covenant - Jeremiah 31:31-33

God has made previous covenants with Gentiles, such as Noah and Abraham, but the new covenant is not with Gentiles.

anybody saying they are part of the new covenant, but rejects God’s law is not part of the new covenant at all. That is contrary to what the new covenant is all about.
 
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Really??? According to Heb11, what "works", law or commandments did Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Sarah keep before the law was given? You cant just make stuff up sir.
Noah, for example trusted God and built an ark, that’s works.

Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac up on the altar - James 2:21-24

God explains to Isaac why he will multiply his offspring:

Genesis 26:4-5
And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

did you not know that faith/trust without works is dead?
 
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I agree that obedience comes from faith - if we believe God, we will obey his commandments. Hebrews 11 describes how the champions of faith showed their faith via works.

the Israelites did not believe in God, thus they disobeyed his commandments, and were scattered around the world.
All commandments are sum up in this one command "Love your neighbors as yourself" because if you love others, then you will not murder, not steal, not lying, not covet which are the from the law...
Therefore love is the fulfilment of the Law...Romans 13..
So instead of looking at the written law we look at Jesus because the written law fulfilled by Him...

The works that comes from Faith is Love (good works)...we can sum up in this one verse...Galatians 5:6.."For in Christ neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that count is Faith expressing itself through Love..

Law and Faith are mutually exclusive in attaining Righteousness...
 
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Agreed. No wonder then that we have this New Covenant statement

Jer 31:31-33
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

"what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Paul says it is only the wicked that "do not submit to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:4-11

And asks the question "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW" Rom 3:31



BTW - Paul requires that Timothy be circumcised.




1. Gal 1 says there are not two gospels
2. Gal 3:8 says that ONE Gospel was preached to Abraham
3. Heb 4:1 says that one Gospel was preached to OT Jews.
4. Matt 17 - Moses and Elijah stand in glory with Christ before the cross.
5. That ONE Gospel is "saved by grace through faith" - Eph 2:7-10
6. ALL the giants of faith in Heb 11 are from the OT

The problem in Gal 5 is not "having Jews circumcised" it is -- having gentiles circumcised because no OT or NT text required it. It was a "made up man made tradition" seen in Acts 15:1-2.

Making stuff up... going against scripture - inventing things like a spiritual requirement for gentiles to be circumcised when neither OT nor NT required it... is condemned in Gal 5 as a man-made-works religion because it is not based on the Word of God. Some folks today would argue that failure to oppose the Word of God -- is to reject the Gospel. Matthew 5 Christ said - that is fiction.



1. Shall we be condemned because we choose to not take God's name in vain in obedience to God's Commandments?

2. Is Christ to be condemned in Matthew 19 for daring to quote God's Commandments written on stone?

3. Is the Baptist Confession of Faith to be condemned for freely admitting that the Ten Commandments that are written on stone by God Himself - are included in the moral law of God under the New Covenant.

4. Did Jeremiah know that the LAW of God included the Commands God Himself wrote on stone when Jeremiah wrote Jer 31:31-33?

5. Should the Westminster Confession of Faith be condemned for daring to admit that the Ten Commandments that are written on stone by God Himself - are included in the moral law of God under the New Covenant.?


We know that the Spirit of God authored all of it and that the Holy Spirit gives life.So then shall we falsely accuse others of not having the work of the Holy Spirit in their life -- simply because they choose to not take God's name in vain in obedience to the commands that God himself wrote on stone?

I think we all know the answers to this.
If those who were the old covenant was made could not follow it how can you or anyone follow it? All those who rely on the law to be right with God are unwise...
Clearly Jeremiah 31, a new covenant not like the covenant with the ancestors of Israel those in Sinai where they broke this covenant...and you say to follow that same covenant even though God had Already made a new covenant so He can accept us...
 
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Really??? According to Heb11, what "works", law or commandments did Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Sarah keep before the law was given? You cant just make stuff up sir.
Very good post...you know your bible well
 
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