Feminist: We can't have a feminist future without abolishing the family.

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Normally I would agree. I've read about wacky radical feminist beliefs for years now and for the most part....the never gain widespread normalization. I think the most ridiculous is the idea that sex with a man is always rape (even in the confines of marriage, even with consent, etc). Obviously that belief wasn't going to catch on.

Fringe beliefs can gain acceptance through simple repetition. Social media allows this to happen in a more pervasive way than ever. I remember long ago when the idea that a sexual assault can happen even if consent is given was considered a fringe idea with no real merit. Nowadays celebrities are going on apology tours for consensual sexual encounters they had years ago.

I don't count on people having common sense anymore.

Your right about that.

The Problems Our Generation Faces With The Fourth Wave Of Feminism

Once they are done building whatever they are after currently, who knows what's next.

I'm a woman and feminists to me are scary people...
 
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....I'm a woman and feminists to me are scary people...
Is this based on knowing actual feminists... or on reading alarmist anti feminist polemics that focus on extreme minority positions like the one in this OP?
 
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Is this based on knowing actual feminists... or on reading alarmist anti feminist polemics that focus on extreme minority positions like the one in this OP?

Nope it's from knowing them and speaking to them.
 
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Nope it's from knowing them and speaking to them.
Ah. Well you must have gotten unlucky and met mostly the extremist ones. Either that or your own views about the place of women is extremist in the other direction.
 
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Ah. Well you must have gotten unlucky and met mostly the extremist ones. Either that or your own views about the place of women is extremist in the other direction.

No I find my own views foster common sense.

If the women's rights movement is about women being able to choose their destiny, then women ought never be vilified for choosing in any manner they desire by those same women. (Note how women are treated by feminists when they choose to be stay at home moms, for instance.)

If women's rights holds a modicum of common sense, then a young woman deciding to get pass-out drunk in the middle of a frat party should be seen to be just as ignorant as leaving the keys in your ignition with your car doors unlocked while shopping, for example.

It does seem however, that common sense escapes many, and if one dares speak of any example of such they are vilified.

But all this is likely to be off-topic.
 
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No I find my own views foster common sense.

If the women's rights movement is about women being able to choose their destiny, then women ought never be vilified for choosing in any manner they desire by those same women. (Note how women are treated by feminists when they choose to be stay at home moms, for instance.)

If women's rights holds a modicum of common sense, then a young woman deciding to get pass-out drunk in the middle of a frat party should be seen to be just as ignorant as leaving the keys in your ignition with your car doors unlocked while shopping, for example.

It does seem however, that common sense escapes many, and if one dares speak of any example of such they are vilified.

But all this is likely to be off-topic.
The feminists you know typically vilify women for their own choice to be stay at home moms? Wow thats pretty out-there in my experience. And I hang with a fairly liberal bunch.
 
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The feminists you know typically vilify women for their own choice to be stay at home moms? Wow thats pretty out-there in my experience. And I hang with a fairly liberal bunch.

Out there?

That's the norm nowadays.

If a woman decides of her own volition to be a stay-at-home mother, then she's branded as somehow being "defective" and alternatively targeted for abuse and targeted for "re-education".
 
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Out there?

That's the norm nowadays.

If a woman decides of her own volition to be a stay-at-home mother, then she's branded as somehow being "defective" and alternatively targeted for abuse and targeted for "re-education".
Citation required.
 
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Citation required.

Even 15 years ago you could find women who were getting bawled out by "feminists" for daring to be stay-at-home mothers.

I once knew a young woman who said that she considered stay-at-home motherhood to be on the table as far as her future options went, and in response she was basically told that if that's all she was ever going to be then pursuing any education beyond high school would be a waste of time and money.

Yeah. An educated woman who chooses to be a stay-at-home mom is downright regarded as a traitor to their gender. That's how bad it is.
 
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Out there?

That's the norm nowadays.

If a woman decides of her own volition to be a stay-at-home mother, then she's branded as somehow being "defective" and alternatively targeted for abuse and targeted for "re-education".
Its only the norm in internet polemics where people try to make their opposition seem as outrageous as possible.

As I was saying.....
People looove it when they can attach a wacky idea to a word they hate.

Like "no families" to "feminist".
Or "global mass suicide" to "environmentalist".
Its a fun game, and I'm sure I play it sometimes.
 
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Even 15 years ago you could find women who were getting bawled out by "feminists" for daring to be stay-at-home mothers.

I once knew a young woman who said that she considered stay-at-home motherhood to be on the table as far as her future options went, and in response she was basically told that if that's all she was ever going to be then pursuing any education beyond high school would be a waste of time and money.

Yeah. An educated woman who chooses to be a stay-at-home mom is downright regarded as a traitor to their gender. That's how bad it is.
So you have an anecdote. Any real citation?

And as noted by someone else, don't quote extremists for an entire group unless you want non-believers quoting Westboro Baptist as representative of Christians.
 
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So you have an anecdote. Any real citation?

And as noted by someone else, don't quote extremists for an entire group unless you want non-believers quoting Westboro Baptist as representative of Christians.

I was asked personal experience, which I answered and fully admitted was likely going off topic.

While it is an extreme view, it's one common enough for some to have experienced.

There isn't a citation for Sally at the beauty salon, type of references.
 
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I was asked personal experience, which I answered and fully admitted was likely going off topic.

While it is an extreme view, it's one common enough for some to have experienced.

There isn't a citation for Sally at the beauty salon, type of references.
A) I was talking to @Ironhold
B) He said it was the "norm", <- his bold. A few anecdotes doesn't qualify as a "norm".
C) Calling it a norm requires a citation.
 
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A) I was talking to @Ironhold
B) He said it was the "norm", <- his bold. A few anecdotes doesn't qualify as a "norm".
C) Calling it a norm requires a citation.

How active are you on social media?

Twitter's infested with this kind of mindset, and a few other platforms are reputedly just as bad off.
 
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Is this based on knowing actual feminists... or on reading alarmist anti feminist polemics that focus on extreme minority positions like the one in this OP?

What makes you think it's an "extreme minority position"? She did write a book after all...
 
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I think you mean: "One radical feminist wants to abolish the family."

It's hardly a new idea, but far from mainstream. There are a couple ideas in it I could get behind, like a more community based approach to caring for each other than simply the family unit (incidentally, this is something I like about Orthodoxy), mixed in with a ton of radical gender theory that is really on the fringe of the feminist movement.

Except that the radicals have the megaphone, and more moderate feminists are loathe to take it from them.

I can somewhat understand, inasmuch as the same thing happens among us African-Americans.

But we need to admit that happens.
 
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What makes you think it's an "extreme minority position"? She did write a book after all...

And someone published it, and enough people read it to make it worthwhile to publish additional editions. And professors are teaching it in colleges.
 
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The feminists you know typically vilify women for their own choice to be stay at home moms? Wow thats pretty out-there in my experience. And I hang with a fairly liberal bunch.

I wouldn't say it is the majority of feminists, or that it defines a movement, but I have talked to quite a few stay-at-home moms who report this attitude and have seen it directed at people as well.

I suppose since all of us have different experiences nose-counting isn't going to solve the issue. I would simply note that if you agree it is pretty out there, that is a good thing. I think it is pretty out there as well, but still happens.
 
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