Not voting this year. How about you?

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I will be voting, for the candidate whose platform and leadership best reflect my values.

In one of the stewardship parables (Lk 19), the ruler says to his followers, "occupy until I return". The verb used there is pragmateuomai, from which we get "pragmatic". The context is that there were many in the country who opposed the ruler's rightful reign. Life was going to be difficult until the ruler returns. Big victories would be fewer than they would like, and choices not always ideal. They were going to have to weigh options and make acceptable compromises, without violating first principles, in order to keep hope alive and the end goal viable.

That is the attitude I take into politics, not unrestrained idealism. But is there a scenario where I wouldn't vote for a viable candidate? Yes. Are we there now? Not by my lights.

We have a candidate who is strongly pro-life, pro First Amendment (including both speech and religion), pro Second Amendment, who has strengthened our defenses, is extracting us from wars, fighting terrorism, corrected massive trade imbalances and in the process brought an evil burgeoning major world power to its economic knees, made dramatic overtures toward world peace, raised our economy from the doldrums, freed us from globalist international entanglements, is making strides in health care, drug prices, and prison reform, and much more.

At the same time, I find his opposition completely unacceptable on nearly every count.

Am I not to vote for this person because some of his tweets are indefensible? To my way of thinking, pragmatism and perspective deem that very unwise, indeed.

I'm in NY, so my vote will not have the electoral effect as that of some others. But unless all choices are unacceptable, which I don't believe to be the case, it is important to vote anyway, on principle.
 
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I voted Third Party in the last election and I'll probably vote Third Party again this election or I might vote Democratic. I don't know which way I'll go yet, but I definitely won't vote for Donald Trump.
 
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A third-party vote would make more of a statement than staying home.

Statement possibly but,
no overall effect.

I appreciate the direction the Country is going in and will be voting to continue the course.
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I vote which ever candidate is best. Voted for Bush, Obama, Trump...etc. But this year is the first time I am not voting at all. I feel like everyone running on both sides are terrible. Especially being disabled. If I vote Trump, I lose more healthcare and my wife (an immigrant) as affected more negatively. If I vote democrat, healthcare may go back to normal or be better. However because both sides are for things that I find to ungodly, I won't vote at all now.

Some would say you can't complain if you don't vote. I disagree. I'm at the point of thinking "What if I end up voting for someone like the anti-christ?"? I don't want to be pulled into such things. Granted I realize the anti-christ comes from the east. None the less whoever I vote for will compromise to many of my values. Last election I made the mistake of voting. I didn't like Hillary or Trump. But I felt I had no choice but to choose one. I won't make that mistake again.

How about you?
I'm a Canadian so we have more realistic options than a 2 party system. But I vote for what's best for the country not what's best for me. Typically there is an negative economic impact when the leader changes so often keeping the same guy is better for the economy even when you don't like the guy. The pot needs to get stirred but if you stir it too much you ruin the stew.

Canada doesn't have a 2 term rule although in practice it typically goes this way. Since the US does have a 2 term rule when you vote you should be voting for 2 terms and ready to commit to the second. A switch from liberal/conservative politics is healthy and keeps the cogs moving, so when the guy in office is done, then it's time to flip. If the country stays liberal too long there is a negative impact and if they stay conservative too long there is a negative impact.

I evaluate the pros and cons and vote for the one who will have the most positive impact during the term length on the country as a whole. In practise this most often follows the pattern of voting for the same guy in office or if he's done voting for the other side and to go off of this pattern takes something major... perhaps that's the case with the political state right now in the US.
 
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Make sure you vote! You have no excuses especially that you know to not vote is to be neutral in the face of evil of abortion. Do what is right, vote for LIFE, above all else. I'm sure that is honouring to God.
 
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The only selling point the Democrats have for me is making Snowflakes see/experience first hand the hole that their emotional driven reasons have dug them into. It's probably the only way for this dumb progressive woke culture to actually own themselves.

I remember one rapper who was complaining about the government taking 30% of her taxes, yet she supports Bernie Sanders. LOL at that.

It's a horrible and cynical reason to vote, and I'm not going to act on it either way but I do honestly feel that todays snowflakes/liberals have to learn the hard way.


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I'm probably co-signing with the OP as well. I don't like Trump but it's also hard to be against him just by how his opponents (the left) are not just horrible people themselves but they are stupid. So I probably won't vote.

Yang was probably the guy I was going for, only because no one gave a flying wooshh about him.
 
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Can someone explain to me why Americans give third candidates so little consideration?

Is it because the media doesn't? I mean, is there really any reason to still support the Dems or the Republicans so wholeheartedly? Wouldn't a third party victory send the right message to both of them to stop resting on their laurels and wake up?
 
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I can't vote for a party that promotes sexual free-for-all, abortion, or the abdication of personal responsibility.

Nor can I vote for a party the promotes the worship of mammon, the hording of resources at the expense of the middle and lower classes, and the perpetuation of lies that have been exposed as such.

I used to write in Ross Perot, but he's dead now.

A vote for the lesser evil is still a vote for evil.

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The only selling point the Democrats have for me is making Snowflakes see/experience first hand the hole that their emotional driven reasons have dug them into. It's probably the only way for this dumb progressive woke culture to actually own themselves.

I remember one rapper who was complaining about the government taking 30% of her taxes, yet she supports Bernie Sanders. LOL at that.

It's a horrible and cynical reason to vote, and I'm not going to act on it either way but I do honestly feel that todays snowflakes/liberals have to learn the hard way.


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I'm probably co-signing with the OP as well. I don't like Trump but it's also hard to be against him just by how his opponents (the left) are not just horrible people themselves but they are stupid. So I probably won't vote.

Yang was probably the guy I was going for, only because no one gave a flying wooshh about him.
Darkness does not bring light to a nation. Only light brings light. There is no such thing as learning their lesson. Darkness will only bring on greater darkness. If what you say is true. Then the worse the world got before Christ came would have convinced mankind to change and do better. Nope didn’t happen. Jesus the light brought light.
 
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Can someone explain to me why Americans give third candidates so little consideration?

Is it because the media doesn't? I mean, is there really any reason to still support the Dems or the Republicans so wholeheartedly? Wouldn't a third party victory send the right message to both of them to stop resting on their laurels and wake up?
Who says any of our third party’s or their candidates not worse than the other two? And that is the primary reason they are non starters?
 
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I vote which ever candidate is best. Voted for Bush, Obama, Trump...etc. But this year is the first time I am not voting at all. I feel like everyone running on both sides are terrible. Especially being disabled. If I vote Trump, I lose more healthcare and my wife (an immigrant) as affected more negatively. If I vote democrat, healthcare may go back to normal or be better. However because both sides are for things that I find to ungodly, I won't vote at all now.

Some would say you can't complain if you don't vote. I disagree. I'm at the point of thinking "What if I end up voting for someone like the anti-christ?"? I don't want to be pulled into such things. Granted I realize the anti-christ comes from the east. None the less whoever I vote for will compromise to many of my values. Last election I made the mistake of voting. I didn't like Hillary or Trump. But I felt I had no choice but to choose one. I won't make that mistake again.

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I want to see the Republican Party and Democratic Party go through a major political overhaul or be dismantled altogether. Neither one of these parties is more righteous than the other. Neither one is morally superior to the other. Both of them are filled with politicians who are morally and politically corrupt. Both of them are filled with politicians who perpetually lie through their teeth. Both of them are filled with politicians who behave as if they haven't matured past adolescence. It goes both ways.

On a side note, there's no point for conservative Christians to pretend that they have the moral high road on morality because Trump is the reflection of the moral decline in this country. He's also the result of the moral compromise within the Republican Party to overtake and dominant the Democratic Party. Personally speaking, I know better than to think that a President who is a twice divorced thrice married adulterer (who paid off his inappropriate content star mistress to buy her silence) would be loyally supported, passionately defended, and publicly praised by conservative Christians if he was a Democrat. If Trump was a Democrat, then we wouldn't hear "No one is sinless and perfect!" or "Christians shouldn't judge Trump for his sins!" I know we definitely wouldn't hear "I voted for a President, not a Pastor!" either.
 
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Please direct message me information on any pro life non horrific candidates because I agree that Christ doesn’t call us to support evil because “they are the only one who has a chance.”
Check out 'American Solidarity Party". Find them locally and get involved. I'm NOT saying they will sweep the elections in 2020 but at least you can vote without holding your nose. I got SO TIRED of holding my nose while voting.
 
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I agree with the sentiments, but in order to vote for any third party, that third party must first be on the ballot. Last I looked, the American Solidarity Party had ballot status in no state.
I was involved in the last election to get Evan McMullen on the ballot in my state. It was many days of going out and talking with people and getting signatures, but about 25 of us did exactly that and he was on the ballot. In the last election I had no trouble AT ALL finding people fed up with the two big parties and happy to sign the petition to get an alternative on the ballot. And we got more votes than the margin that Hillary won this state by. We were in no danger of actually winning this state, but this state is now no longer considered to be a safe Democratic Party state.

So it's a cop out to say you have to vote either Democrat or Republican because there are no options on the ballot. You go out and get people on the ballot. Not that hard. I've done it. If you don't like your options, do something.
 
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Can someone explain to me why Americans give third candidates so little consideration?

Is it because the media doesn't? I mean, is there really any reason to still support the Dems or the Republicans so wholeheartedly? Wouldn't a third party victory send the right message to both of them to stop resting on their laurels and wake up?
The media give those parties zero attention. Most people don't even know there are other options than the party of Tweedle Dee or the party of Tweedle Dum. So they get in and look at the ballots and have zero clue who all of those other names are.

This election will see the fracturing of the Democratic Party no matter who is nominated. It may not be a fatal fracture, but it will guarantee Trump wins. And yet there are lots of disaffected Republicans who just can't vote for Trump. This election lots of people will be looking for alternatives. Third parties will do well this year although sadly not a one of them will actually win. They could cause some electoral havoc if they take away votes from big party candidates in previously 'safe' states. For example, if Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Bloomberg, it could get interesting in the electoral college.
 
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I was involved in the last election to get Evan McMullen on the ballot in my state. It was many days of going out and talking with people and getting signatures, but about 25 of us did exactly that and he was on the ballot. In the last election I had no trouble AT ALL finding people fed up with the two big parties and happy to sign the petition to get an alternative on the ballot. And we got more votes than the margin that Hillary won this state by. We were in no danger of actually winning this state, but this state is now no longer considered to be a safe Democratic Party state.

So it's a cop out to say you have to vote either Democrat or Republican because there are no options on the ballot. You go out and get people on the ballot. Not that hard. I've done it. If you don't like your options, do something.
Yes, I agree with all of that and actually admire your involvement. That was creating a place on the ballot, if only for that particular election.

But that was different from what I often hear from people who say they support Third Party X when it does not even appear on the ballot. What a waste. In most states, there is some other Third Party that DOES have ballot status and holds values similar to what the voter is looking for.
 
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Check out 'American Solidarity Party". Find them locally and get involved. I'm NOT saying they will sweep the elections in 2020 but at least you can vote without holding your nose. I got SO TIRED of holding my nose while voting.
Who wins is irrelevant in my opinion, I will support someone who honors the Lord. The rest is in God’s will
 
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