Obama judge denies Roger Stone request's for retrial amid increasing evidence of jury bias

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Manafort was NOT ever in solitary confinement. He had his own shower and a telephone in his cell.

Oh! That is great to hear! Perhaps you can provide the name of Manafort’s cellmate for the world to see. That should be easy to provide. Just give us the name to back up your facts.
 
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Oh! That is great to hear! Perhaps you can provide the name of Manafort’s cellmate for the world to see. That should be easy to provide. Just give us the name to back up your facts.

Manafort didn't have a cellmate. Hope you acknowledge your error and your snide response.

  1. Paul Manafort’s solitary confinement includes personal ...
    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/11/17561616/paul-manafort-solitary-confinement
    Jul 11, 2018 · Manafort “is not confined to a cell” Between 8:30 am and 10 pm, Manafort “has access to a separate workroom at the jail to meet with his attorneys and legal team” He has “his own ...
  2. Paul Manafort caught on phone call bragging he's being ...
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-manafort-vip-jail-20180711-story.html
    Jul 11, 2018 · Solitary confinement for Paul Manafort includes a large private room with a shower, a telephone, workspace and a laptop, according to court papers released on Wednesday. Manafort is not confined to a cell and doesn’t have to wear a prison jumpsuit —...
 
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Manafort didn't have a cellmate. Hope you acknowledge your error and your snide response.

  1. Paul Manafort’s solitary confinement includes personal ...
    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/11/17561616/paul-manafort-solitary-confinement
    Jul 11, 2018 · Manafort “is not confined to a cell” Between 8:30 am and 10 pm, Manafort “has access to a separate workroom at the jail to meet with his attorneys and legal team” He has “his own ...
  2. Paul Manafort caught on phone call bragging he's being ...
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-manafort-vip-jail-20180711-story.html
    Jul 11, 2018 · Solitary confinement for Paul Manafort includes a large private room with a shower, a telephone, workspace and a laptop, according to court papers released on Wednesday. Manafort is not confined to a cell and doesn’t have to wear a prison jumpsuit —...

Ok he didn’t have a cellmate. Wouldn’t that mean he was alone I his cell while confined? The solitary inmate confined by himself. Alone, without human contact, confined in his cell.
 
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Ok he didn’t have a cellmate. Wouldn’t that mean he was alone I his cell while confined? The solitary inmate confined by himself. Alone, without human contact, confined in his cell.

You're hopeless.

Manafort “is not confined to a cell” Between 8:30 am and 10 pm, Manafort “has access to a separate workroom at the jail to meet with his attorneys and legal team”
 
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You're hopeless.

Manafort “is not confined to a cell” Between 8:30 am and 10 pm, Manafort “has access to a separate workroom at the jail to meet with his attorneys and legal team”
He's a Poe. Just so you know. He doesn't actually believe that.
 
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He was found guilty....ON 7 COUNTS!

You’re only complaining because he is best buddies with Dear Leader. What happened to you people being champions for the rule of law...?

I'm complaining because the jury pool was tainted. The rule of law states if a jury pool was tainted it should be a mistrial and a new trial should be done. I don't really care about the guy. I just want a fair trial. That's about the rule of law.
 
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I'll ask again, why? I went through most of your points a couple of pages ago, here, and you never responded. You never showed that any jurors did not judge the case fairly. No one in the DoJ (that I've seen), or Pres. Trump, ever claimed the trial wasn't a fair one. Instead, we have Right wing media claiming all these various people had bias, based on political positions they have (and maybe do) support, but not one single shred of evidence that the trial was not conducted fairly and impartially. The most some in the DoJ didn't like, and that the President didn't like, was the prosecutors' sentencing recommendation; and the Judge didn't use their recommendation.

So, exactly how was the trial not fair? Exactly what evidence is there that the trial was unfair -- not biases of people participating -- but actual events that occurred during the trial that may have changed the verdict? The even stranger thing to me, it seems most here don't dispute that Stone would be found guilty, in a trial that you would believe is fair, and that he received a fair sentence. So exactly what would this new trial do, how would it make any difference other than waste time and money?

When a juror is biased towards the defendant and this one showed a bias the jury is tainted.

Roger Stone Lead Juror Testified She Had No Bias Against Him | The Union Journal

As I said in my post I don't think the sentence was unfair at all. It seems appropriate to me.

The trial however should be declaired a mistrial and a new trial should be done.
 
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Manafort didn't have a cellmate. Hope you acknowledge your error and your snide response.

  1. Paul Manafort’s solitary confinement includes personal ...
    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/11/17561616/paul-manafort-solitary-confinement
    Jul 11, 2018 · Manafort “is not confined to a cell” Between 8:30 am and 10 pm, Manafort “has access to a separate workroom at the jail to meet with his attorneys and legal team” He has “his own ...
  2. Paul Manafort caught on phone call bragging he's being ...
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-manafort-vip-jail-20180711-story.html
    Jul 11, 2018 · Solitary confinement for Paul Manafort includes a large private room with a shower, a telephone, workspace and a laptop, according to court papers released on Wednesday. Manafort is not confined to a cell and doesn’t have to wear a prison jumpsuit —...

You know solitary confinement does NOT mean he can't have access to his attorneys or legal team right? That would be a violation of his civil rights.
 
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He was found guilty....ON 7 COUNTS!

You’re only complaining because he is best buddies with Dear Leader. What happened to you people being champions for the rule of law...?

Haven't you heard the amendment to the conservative mantra?

Formerly: Everyone (except with the last name of Clinton or Biden) is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Now: Everyone (except with the last name of Clinton or Biden) is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Amendment: If you're a Trump associate convicted in a court of law and 1 juror had a social media post that was negative towards Trump then you're still presumed innocent despite being proven guilty.
 
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You know solitary confinement does NOT mean he can't have access to his attorneys or legal team right? That would be a violation of his civil rights.

Manafort also had a shower and telephone in his cell and the door was open 12 hours a day. Trump simply lied about him being in solitary confinement.
 
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When a juror is biased towards the defendant and this one showed a bias the jury is tainted.

Roger Stone Lead Juror Testified She Had No Bias Against Him | The Union Journal

As I said in my post I don't think the sentence was unfair at all. It seems appropriate to me.

The trial however should be declaired a mistrial and a new trial should be done.

Yes, you claim that she was biased but the evidence doesn't actually show that. First, someone previously mentioned (and I believe posted a link) that the Defense was aware of the Tweets when they approved her for the jury.
When a juror is biased towards the defendant and this one showed a bias the jury is tainted.

Roger Stone Lead Juror Testified She Had No Bias Against Him | The Union Journal

As I said in my post I don't think the sentence was unfair at all. It seems appropriate to me.

The trial however should be declaired a mistrial and a new trial should be done.

I'm sorry, that Tweet shows no bias towards Stone and/or Trump. Instead, it is a Tweet about what was perceived as racial injustice. She saw the Tweet, which compared Stone's morning raid -- and how so many on the right felt it was such a miscarriage of justice that the laws need to be changed -- to the shootings of Black unarmed suspects by police where those same people have not called for any changes in the law to prevent further shootings.

That she re-Tweeted a post about perceived racial injustice does not indicate she had any clue what Stone was arrested for, much less that she cared one way or the other for him. Perhaps you can prove that she knew about Stone (beyond this Tweet she re-Tweeted), why he was arrested, and that she was biased against him?
 
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Yes, you claim that she was biased but the evidence doesn't actually show that. First, someone previously mentioned (and I believe posted a link) that the Defense was aware of the Tweets when they approved her for the jury.


I'm sorry, that Tweet shows no bias towards Stone and/or Trump. Instead, it is a Tweet about what was perceived as racial injustice. She saw the Tweet, which compared Stone's morning raid -- and how so many on the right felt it was such a miscarriage of justice that the laws need to be changed -- to the shootings of Black unarmed suspects by police where those same people have not called for any changes in the law to prevent further shootings.

That she re-Tweeted a post about perceived racial injustice does not indicate she had any clue what Stone was arrested for, much less that she cared one way or the other for him. Perhaps you can prove that she knew about Stone (beyond this Tweet she re-Tweeted), why he was arrested, and that she was biased against him?

Her tweet was an example of her biad towards Trump and his associates. She was a political activist against Trump AND his associates. She denounced Trump and his associates as a virtual criminal Enterprise.

She talked about the Stone indictment. She called Trump supporters ad racist.

She had a right to do all of that of course. But that kind of belief and activism shows an obvious bias bias and she shouldn't sit on a jury to hear a case on someone like Stone.

Juror 1261 in Roger Stone's case: Was justice undone?
 
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Her tweet was an example of her biad towards Trump and his associates. She was a political activist against Trump AND his associates. She denounced Trump and his associates as a virtual criminal Enterprise.

She talked about the Stone indictment. She called Trump supporters ad racist.

She had a right to do all of that of course. But that kind of belief and activism shows an obvious bias bias and she shouldn't sit on a jury to hear a case on someone like Stone.

Juror 1261 in Roger Stone's case: Was justice undone?

But where did she ever talk about Stone directly, or about his case? Yes, she re-Tweeted a comment, one written by someone she appears to follow, about the arrest -- she appears not to have otherwise commented. Your claim of bias is completely empty at this point. She could have been biased, but you haven't shown anything to prove she was biased about Stone -- that she knew anything about the trial or about Stone personally, much less that she had pre-judged him before serving.

Yes, she is actively involved with racial politics, and her Tweets definitely show that -- but this trial had zero to do with racial politics. Again, where is the actual evidence that she was biased against Stone, had any clue who he was before the trial, and felt he was guilty?
 
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But where did she ever talk about Stone directly, or about his case? Yes, she re-Tweeted a comment, one written by someone she appears to follow, about the arrest -- she appears not to have otherwise commented. Your claim of bias is completely empty at this point. She could have been biased, but you haven't shown anything to prove she was biased about Stone -- that she knew anything about the trial or about Stone personally, much less that she had pre-judged him before serving.

Yes, she is actively involved with racial politics, and her Tweets definitely show that -- but this trial had zero to do with racial politics. Again, where is the actual evidence that she was biased against Stone, had any clue who he was before the trial, and felt he was guilty?

Bias does not mean she determined he was guilty. Bias is about personal opinions about people involved. She made statements about Stone being part of Trump's team. Which she has shown bias towards.

So nothing that I can recall specifically,” Hart replied. “I do watch sometimes paying attention but sometimes in the background CNN.”

“So I recall just hearing about him being part of the campaign and some belief or reporting around interaction with the Russian probe and interaction with him and people in the country, but I don’t have a whole lot of details. I don’t pay that close attention or watch C-SPAN,” she continued.

So she had knowledge and also showed preconceived negative notions about Trumps associates calling them racists and criminals. The attorneys tried to have her removed, but the judge said no.

Her tweets showed her bias towards Stone. She should have been removed.
Troubling Revelations About Roger Stone Jury Foreperson and She Wasn't the Only One With Issues

Roger Stone jury foreperson's anti-Trump social media posts surface after she defends DOJ prosecutors

Bias towards people which the juror clearly had as seen by her actions and comments towards Trump and his associates are clear reasons for dismissal. So was her tweet showing she knew about the case and brought racism I to the situation. The defense wanted her out for legit reasons.

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/...s/reasons-for-rejecting-potential-jurors.html

This should be a mistrial and a new one held.
 
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When a juror is biased towards the defendant and this one showed a bias the jury is tainted.

Roger Stone Lead Juror Testified She Had No Bias Against Him | The Union Journal

As I said in my post I don't think the sentence was unfair at all. It seems appropriate to me.

The trial however should be declaired a mistrial and a new trial should be done.

Ummmm......this is the kind of journalism you rely upon as a source...??

“Not just did devil court Amy Berman Jackson enable the court to be piled with crazed leftists, the media never ever troubled to report on the prejudiced jurors!

The court, with Tomeka Hart in the lead, founded guilty Roger Stone in November on all 7 matters.”

Really...??
 
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Ummmm......this is the kind of journalism you rely upon as a source...??

“Not just did devil court Amy Berman Jackson enable the court to be piled with crazed leftists, the media never ever troubled to report on the prejudiced jurors!

The court, with Tomeka Hart in the lead, founded guilty Roger Stone in November on all 7 matters.”

Really...??
It explains a lot about the poster and how he derives his beliefs.
 
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