MJ Only Bulls Sheep Goats

pinacled · Feb 21, 2020

HARK! said:
In absence of a priest and an alter, are Yahudim permitted to eat them?

(CLV) Lv 17:3
Any man from the house of Israel who slays a bull or a sheep or a goat in the camp, or who slays it outside the camp,

(CLV) Lv 17:4
and does not bring it to the opening of the tent of appointment so as to bring it near as an approach present to Yahweh before the tabernacle of Yahweh, bloodshed shall be accounted to that man. He has shed blood; hence that man will be cut off from among his people.

(CLV) Lv 17:5
This is in order that the sons of Israel may bring their sacrifices which they have been sacrificing on the surface of the field that they bring them before Yahweh, to the priest at the opening of the tent of appointment, and sacrifice them as sacrifices of peace offerings to Yahweh.

(CLV) Lv 17:6
Then the priest will sprinkle the blood against the altar of Yahweh at the opening of the tent of appointment, and he will cause the fat to fume as a fragrant odor to Yahweh.

(CLV) Lv 17:7
Not longer shall they sacrifice their sacrifices to hairy goat-demons after whom they have been prostituting. An eonian statute shall this become for them throughout their generations.

(CLV) Lv 17:8
To them you shall say: Any man from the house of Israel or from the sojourner who sojourns in your midst who should offer an ascent offering or a sacrifice

(CLV) Lv 17:9
and not bring it to the opening of the tent of appointment to offer it to Yahweh, that man will be cut off from his kinsmen.

(CLV) Ec 1:18
For in much wisdom is much vexation, And he who adds knowledge adds pain.

Treasures new and old.
While you have addressed the flesh of bulls, sheep, and goats.
Remember that the birds are undivided.

John 1
}Berei****h (In the beginning...) (Genesis)}1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.

Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)}2 He was with God in the beginning.

Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)}3 All things came to be through him,
and without him nothing made had being.

Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers)}4 In him was life,
and the life was the light of mankind.

Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)}5 The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not suppressed it.

pinacled · Feb 21, 2020

pinacled said:
Treasures new and old.
While you have addressed the flesh of bulls, sheep, and goats.
Remember that the birds are undivided.

John 1
}Berei****h (In the beginning...) (Genesis)}1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.

Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)}2 He was with God in the beginning.

Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)}3 All things came to be through him,
and without him nothing made had being.

Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers)}4 In him was life,
and the life was the light of mankind.

Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)}5 The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not suppressed it.

A visual example of dividing waters like flesh as avraham had been instructed while leaving the birds undivided while working 6 yoms

Consider the 3 sacrifices having a division along with waters separated during the third Yom.
As the birds are undivided take note of light on the 7 and 8 yom.

pinacled · Feb 21, 2020

HARK! said:
In absence of a priest and an alter, are Yahudim permitted to eat them?

(CLV) Lv 17:3
Any man from the house of Israel who slays a bull or a sheep or a goat in the camp, or who slays it outside the camp,

(CLV) Lv 17:4
and does not bring it to the opening of the tent of appointment so as to bring it near as an approach present to Yahweh before the tabernacle of Yahweh, bloodshed shall be accounted to that man. He has shed blood; hence that man will be cut off from among his people.

(CLV) Lv 17:5
This is in order that the sons of Israel may bring their sacrifices which they have been sacrificing on the surface of the field that they bring them before Yahweh, to the priest at the opening of the tent of appointment, and sacrifice them as sacrifices of peace offerings to Yahweh.

(CLV) Lv 17:6
Then the priest will sprinkle the blood against the altar of Yahweh at the opening of the tent of appointment, and he will cause the fat to fume as a fragrant odor to Yahweh.

(CLV) Lv 17:7
Not longer shall they sacrifice their sacrifices to hairy goat-demons after whom they have been prostituting. An eonian statute shall this become for them throughout their generations.

(CLV) Lv 17:8
To them you shall say: Any man from the house of Israel or from the sojourner who sojourns in your midst who should offer an ascent offering or a sacrifice

(CLV) Lv 17:9
and not bring it to the opening of the tent of appointment to offer it to Yahweh, that man will be cut off from his kinsmen.

(CLV) Ec 1:18
For in much wisdom is much vexation, And he who adds knowledge adds pain.

Hark,!

Until you learn the consonant Torah portions.
The bindings of your teachers will keep you in slavery.

Shavuot Shalom

HARK! · Feb 22, 2020

pinacled said:
Hark,!

Until you learn the consonant Torah portions.
The bindings of your teachers will keep you in slavery.

Shavuot Shalom

(CLV) Mt 23:8
"Now you may not be called `Rabbi,' for One is your Teacher, yet you all are brethren.

Shabbat shalom

HARK! · Feb 22, 2020

pinacled said:
Being that you have asked for "mj" only responses.

This is a MJ forum. Would you have me lay a snare for my brothers who are still on a diet of milk? I made it a MJ ONLY thread for their protection.

I didn't take this to a general forum; because I don't want this thread to turn into a bickering match about bacon.

pinacled · Feb 22, 2020

HARK! said:
This is a MJ forum. Would you have me lay a snare for my brothers who are still on a diet of milk? I made it a MJ ONLY thread for their protection.

I didn't take this to a general forum; because I don't want this thread to turn into a bickering match about bacon.

You are still bound by the wind you have confessed.

If you would like to find freedom on this Shabbat.
Allowances are always possible.

Count the total number of bulls sacrificed in the 89 verses I shared recently and tell me if their number is sufficiently enough to fill the number of times Lord Yeshua has rescued his own from a pit.

Blessed be The Holy One

HARK! · Feb 22, 2020

pinacled said:
You are still bound by the wind you have confessed.

If you would like to find freedom on this Shabbat.
Allowances are always possible.

Count the total number of bulls sacrificed in the 89 verses I shared recently and tell me if their number is sufficiently enough to fill the number of times or Lord Yeshua has rescued his own from a pit.

Blessed be The Holy One

That wasn't a question in my mind. The question, which doesn't appear to be a question for me, is whether or not Yahudim should eat bulls, sheep or goats, in absence of a functioning earthly priesthood.

Shabbat shalom.

Baruch atah, YHWH Eloheinu, Melech haolam, shehecheyanu v'kiy'manu v'higianu laz'man hazeh.

pinacled · Feb 22, 2020

HARK! said:
That wasn't a question in my mind. The question, which doesn't appear to be a question for me, is whether or not Yahudim should eat bulls, sheep or goats, in absence of a functioning earthly priesthood.

Shabbat shalom.

Baruch atah, YHWH Eloheinu, Melech haolam, shehecheyanu v'kiy'manu v'higianu laz'man hazeh.

With your very mouth and words you confess the binding of wind on your heart and claim also that there is no earthly priesthood for yourself.

Bless those that curse......"

pinacled · Feb 22, 2020

HARK! said:
That wasn't a question in my mind. The question, which doesn't appear to be a question for me, is whether or not Yahudim should eat bulls, sheep or goats, in absence of a functioning earthly priesthood.

Shabbat shalom.

Baruch atah, YHWH Eloheinu, Melech haolam, shehecheyanu v'kiy'manu v'higianu laz'man hazeh.

Knowing the rules stipulated in the sop.
Why do you persist against the Torah of spirit.?
Even after being warned twice about misspeaking The Holy Name.
You have chosen an oath over freedom.

Keen eyes ole friend.
Every one here sees what you are attempting to sow.

Blessings Always

HARK! · Feb 22, 2020

pinacled said:
Knowing the rules stipulated in the sop.
Why do you persist against the Torah of spirit.?
Even after being warned twice about misspeaking The Holy Name.
You have chosen an oath over freedom.

Keen eyes ole friend.
Every one here sees what you are attempting to sow.

Blessings Always

What are you attempting to sow? Why would you blot out his kadosh name?

Exodus 3

15 Elohim, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' YHWH, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name FOREVER, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.-

Psalms 105:1 O give thanks unto YHWH; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.

Psalm 20:7
Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name YHWH our Elohim.

Isa 42:8
I am YHWH; that is My Name, And My glory I shall not give to another, Or My praise to carvings.

Jl 2:32
And it will be that everyone who shall call on the Name of YHWH shall escape, For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, deliverance shall come, Just as YHWH says, Among the survivors, whom YHWH is calling.

Shalom

Dkh587 · Feb 24, 2020

HARK! said:
Shalom David. Always a pleasure; even when we disagree. Call no man Rabbi; but each of us in the body, have our own gifts; and we have different perspectives in our discernment. I believe that we are called to share these gifts with the rest of the body.

Toward the end of what I posted of this passage, it does mention hairy goat demon sacrifices. That might be the reason; but I'm fairly sure that it is at least part of the reason. Mo Matter the reason, in the beginning of what I posted, we seem to have a clear, and absolute, command.

I can only ask questions and chat, as I am not a Messianic Jew.

I have a question for you or anybody else: is eating all fat prohibited, or is it just fat from animals sacrificed as a specific offering?

Leviticus 7:22-25 ESV

Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the people of Israel, saying, You shall eat no fat, of ox or sheep or goat.

The fat of an animal that dies of itself and the fat of one that is torn by beasts may be put to any other use, but on no account shall you eat it.

For every person who eats of the fat of an animal of which a food offering may be made to Yahweh shall be cut off from his people.”

Is this a specific kind of fat? Does this include things like beef tallow?

it seems like the last sentence, “the fat of an animal which a food offering may be made” seems to qualify the instruction as not being all fat.

thoughts?

pinacled · Feb 24, 2020

Dkh587 said:
I can only ask questions and chat, as I am not a Messianic Jew.

I have a question for you or anybody else: is eating all fat prohibited, or is it just fat from animals sacrificed as a specific offering?

Leviticus 7:22-25 ESV

Is this a specific kind of fat? Does this include things like beef tallow?

it seems like the last sentence, “the fat of an animal which a food offering may be made” seems to qualify the instruction as not being all fat.

thoughts?

It is always important to study thoroughly .
Reading the entire chapter gives credence to a number of yom(days) that an offering is permissible to consume.

Leviticus 7

HARK! · Feb 24, 2020

Dkh587 said:
I can only ask questions and chat, as I am not a Messianic Jew.

I have a question for you or anybody else: is eating all fat prohibited, or is it just fat from animals sacrificed as a specific offering?

I didn't dig into it that deeply. I already knew that eating fat wasn't good for me. When I saw verses about fat in the Torah; that was it. I haven't eaten fat since.

visionary · Feb 25, 2020

And that is the difference between getting the spirit of the law and the letter of the law of fat. If you study to learn when you can eat, when you should not, and what fat are the scriptures talking about, then you are working on the letter of the law. But if you are looking behind the bigger purpose of the law, and see the restraints of fat consumption as a hint from God as to what is good for you, then you handle this fat issue a little bit differently in deference to God's wisdom.

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