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That would be the documents that the article sites but does not link to.
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Bernie Sanders praised communist Cuba and the Soviet Union in the 1980s
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That would be the documents that the article sites but does not link to.
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I don't see any similarity between publicly stroking a foreign leader's ego as part of a negotiation tactic and publicly expressing admiration for an economic and governmental system that has caused mass poverty and the death of millions.
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The totality of control required to centralize the entire economy and enforce ideological conformity could not itself be anything but a crime.
In other words the system didnt just do crimes.... the system itself was a crime.
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I agree, Trump just says and acts in a way that gets him what he wants for example look at the contrast of his demeanor on ‘The Apprentice’ compared to his tweets and rallies.
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The Bolsheviks never succeeded in enforcing ideological conformity. Only the appearance, and even that was always shaky.
And it doesn't matter: having reliable public transit and time off for people are good things. If a country run by criminal nutcases that took over after the Tsar's government collapsed under its own foolishness can have these things, we should be able to do better.
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I'm sure that Putin will make Bernie's speeches (public and private) public should Sanders win the nomination.
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Yes, the Soviet Union collapsed after only 70 years in power, and after only 30 years of extreme pressure by the West. What is your point? Because the Soviets were able to give their people certain goodies, that the US central government with much less power can do better?
The opposite conclusion is a least as likely to be true. Centralized planning and provision of services don't work very well. We need regulated free markets. We need some federal safety nets. However, much (certainly most) of the decision-making should be within state and local jurisdictions (by local governments and businesses).
For example, TODAY we will see how the culinary unions and IBEW vote. They are strongly opposed to Sanders, and the idea that the federal government will take away their insurance and provide a generic federal plan which Sanders promises will be much better than the plans that NV unions have fought for for decades. These unions have accepted lower wages in trade for better benefits for decades.
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Not for lack of trying..... trying brutally hard.
I agree with those 2 socialist goals. But lets keep in mind that that the Moscow subway was always a showpiece requiring vast investment. Somebody somewhere else was paying dearly for it, effectively.
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Sorry to nitpick, but that's a little goalpost-moving. First you said they did enforce it, I said they didn't succeed, then you say they tried. Okay, well.
The Moscow subway is still better, decades later, than anything we have in this country. Far, far better than New York. In New York it's an open secret that tons of the money (public and fares) is eaten by organized crime. So...hooray for...what?
The fact that the Soviet Union committed countless crimes (let's be honest, so did the Imperial government through 1917) against its own people doesn't mean it's bad to have good public transit.
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I dont get it. Enforcement is the effort to compel compliance. It doesnt ever mean total success in achieving compliance.
I mean... we have "law enforcement", right? But do we have total law compliance?
Oh and the Soviet state was imperialist too.
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No documents are necessary if one simply listened to the words that came out of Bernie's mouth. I don't think that his approval and affinity for the USSR, Castro's Cuba, Ortega's Nicaragua, Venezuela etc. are new revelations requiring any documents to review. It has been common knowledge for decades by those that have heard him express those sentiments. Just because recently has toned down that praise and begun conflating the way Scandinavian countries have managed their capitalist democracies with actual socialist countries does not mean we have had our memories wiped and need some documents to remember his past words.
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I'm sure he has said some questionably nice things about various awful regimes. It's a common fault among ideologues of all flavors who want real world examples of their ideas and will overlook or minimize the atrocities of any government that puts some of them into practice. A much less commented on example of this comes from the right/libertarian side of the spectrum with praise for Pinochet because he let libertarian leaning economists run things while he was in power,.
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Unlike socialism which has been tried numerous times and been a disaster for the citizenry , libertarianism has never actually been attempted by any government. I doubt it ever will be.
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It's funny, Sanders represents some things that people ACTUALLY WANT, and it's like it's illegal or something. Many, many people want single-payer health care, and it's like it's "not allowed" because Sanders said Soviet train travel was cheap.
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Some people do want illegal things. Why should their being illegal be an impediment if they want them?
Some people want to have the government pay for all their health care through national health care insurance. However, some others, like myself , do not. If you want that for you and those that agree with you I would not be opposed to that as long as I was not forced to participate along with you all.
Forcing an entire population to be part of something that some people actually want while others definitely do not want is very much a favored practice in socialism but it is not a practice unique to socialism by any stretch of the imagination. Why should those that very much Do NOT WANT those things have to be forced into having them anyway?
I oppose Bernie Sanders because he is a socialist and as a socialist I can only assume that he desires socialism to be instituted in the United States. ACTUAL SOCIALISM not liberal social justice government programs but ACTUAL SOCIALUSM of the Cuba, Venezuela, Maoist China, USSR variety.
l don't oppose single payer health insurance because Bernie is a socialist that loves socialism, I oppose it because I do not want the government involved in my personal life and health decisions. I do however support Medicare/Medicaid type programs for those not able to pay for their own health care and who are also willing to enter into them because I support the state helping those that are incapable of helping themselves but I do not support the state forcing people to be helped as the satiate sees fit.
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Well thats a problem right there. There is in fact a lot more you can do than just assume.
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